TheQuietQuitter Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Some interesting insight on the usual names as well as some lesser followed prospects. Worth a listen to confuse your list even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 mins left, if it goes to ot I feel good about their chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hammertime Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) One kid that is catching my eye that I haven't seen much of but am probably going to look into a bit more is Leo Braillard. He's looked dangerous for the Swiss and had a very good Hilinka too. Not great QMJHL numbers but he did really well in swiss leagues. Could be something there in the late rounds the kid scores goals. Even as a16 yearold playing Swiss u20eilte 18g in 25 games and 15 in 16 this year as a 17yo is impressive. July birthday. He will be on my list tomorrow. Curious why he was flat in Shawinigan? Maybe a lil adjustment time needed. Edited April 27 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 51 minutes ago, TheQuietQuitter said: Some interesting insight on the usual names as well as some lesser followed prospects. Worth a listen to confuse your list even more Thanks for posting. I like that Grant McCagg. Yeah Smith vs Dvorsky vs Leonard is a razor tight call. Personally I think both Smith and Leonard will eventually find their way to playing center in the NHL, but if you don't think they will then you probably have to go Dvorsky. I've been flip flopping the three around for months now. Says he likes Edstrom over Stenberg? That would have been more surprising, except yesterday I was looking at ice time from the U18s and it turns out so does Sweden's coach. Will be one to keep an eye on for sure. On the question of best defenseman of the tournament, I'd put it 1. Aron Kiviharju 2. Max Strbak 3. Cole Hutson. On the topics of Sweden and defenseman, maybe I'm the only one, but has anyone else thought with this tournament that Theo Lindstein has been narrowing the gap between him and Sandin-Pellikka for top Swedish defenseman? They've both had really strong tournaments but I'm starting to find it hard to say exactly what it is ASP has that Lindstein doesn't, aside from a right hand shot. For the last couple games of the SHL regular season and the playout round Lindstein was playing 20+ minutes almost every game, including a high of over 27 (and that was the one game Brynas won!). That's incredibly unusual. Simon Edvinsson played a high of 16:23 in his draft year, and ASP played a high of 17:10 this year. The only thing that really surprised me from this interview was his comments on Sale. I've seen some pretty hard nosed, physical hockey from Sale at times. I've talked about the fact that he's much too light to engage physically with any success at the pro level, but I've seen a couple huge reverse hits from him in junior. One thing that really stands out just from the stats is he had 56 PIMs in 39 games last year in junior, followed by 2 PIMs in 43 games this year in Extraliga... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: Thanks for posting. I like that Grant McCagg. Yeah Smith vs Dvorsky vs Leonard is a razor tight call. Personally I think both Smith and Leonard will eventually find their way to playing center in the NHL, but if you don't think they will then you probably have to go Dvorsky. I've been flip flopping the three around for months now. Says he likes Edstrom over Stenberg? That would have been more surprising, except yesterday I was looking at ice time from the U18s and it turns out so does Sweden's coach. Will be one to keep an eye on for sure. On the question of best defenseman of the tournament, I'd put it 1. Aron Kiviharju 2. Max Strbak 3. Cole Hutson. On the topics of Sweden and defenseman, maybe I'm the only one, but has anyone else thought with this tournament that Theo Lindstein has been narrowing the gap between him and Sandin-Pellikka for top Swedish defenseman? They've both had really strong tournaments but I'm starting to find it hard to say exactly what it is ASP has that Lindstein doesn't, aside from a right hand shot. For the last couple games of the SHL regular season and the playout round Lindstein was playing 20+ minutes almost every game, including a high of over 27 (and that was the one game Brynas won!). That's incredibly unusual. Simon Edvinsson played a high of 16:23 in his draft year, and ASP played a high of 17:10 this year. The only thing that really surprised me from this interview was his comments on Sale. I've seen some pretty hard nosed, physical hockey from Sale at times. I've talked about the fact that he's much too light to engage physically with any success at the pro level, but I've seen a couple huge reverse hits from him in junior. One thing that really stands out just from the stats is he had 56 PIMs in 39 games last year in junior, followed by 2 PIMs in 43 games this year in Extraliga... I think it's going to be Smith > Dvorsky > Leonard. This tournament is making things interesting and showing how the 3 are very different players (Leonard a more defensive guy, Dvorsky doing it all, Smith a real offensive guy but all 3 good defensively). I thought the same, watching Lindstein I was surprised he isn't being talked about enough. I bet Allvin has him ranked top-15 or something silly but he has looked very smooth out there. That being said points gets you picked and ASP just racks them up whichever tournament he's in so I think some team will take him too high. It's hard to say who the best defenceman is of this draft but I've got to say Strbak must have pushed himself into late first round consideration after this tournament too and separated himself from Allen/Bonk, maybe move him into the Gulyayev/Dragicevic category. I think 3-5 years from the draft we're going to see a lot of these guys end up pretty average, and then a lot of late first rounders end up being stars or steals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 On 4/25/2023 at 11:45 AM, HighOnHockey said: Lol at people always tagging me to ask about prospects. If I've seen a significant amount of a player I will usually talk about them plenty enough. If you check in on the thread regularly and haven't seen me talk about them it's probably because I haven't seen enough to have a strong opinion. Also I'm absolutely garbage when it comes to evaluating goalies. @R3aL @Isam @Bure_Pavel @hammertime any thoughts on Hrabal? @J.I.A.H.N I’ll leave that to Ian and our scouts! He’s big and has pretty good numbers and the only games I’ve watched him plays he’s looked solid to me. That’s my depth haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 1 Goal and 2 Assists so far in the 3rd in on all the goals Edited April 27 by Off_The_Schneid! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I think it's going to be Smith > Dvorsky > Leonard. This tournament is making things interesting and showing how the 3 are very different players (Leonard a more defensive guy, Dvorsky doing it all, Smith a real offensive guy but all 3 good defensively). I thought the same, watching Lindstein I was surprised he isn't being talked about enough. I bet Allvin has him ranked top-15 or something silly but he has looked very smooth out there. That being said points gets you picked and ASP just racks them up whichever tournament he's in so I think some team will take him too high. It's hard to say who the best defenceman is of this draft but I've got to say Strbak must have pushed himself into late first round consideration after this tournament too and separated himself from Allen/Bonk, maybe move him into the Gulyayev/Dragicevic category. I think 3-5 years from the draft we're going to see a lot of these guys end up pretty average, and then a lot of late first rounders end up being stars or steals. On Strbak, people are talking about him as a surefire first rounder, but he's looked so bloody good this tournament and the defense rankings are so wide open, I wouldn't be shocked to see him suddenly springboard into the top 15 or 20. On Lindstein and ASP, I'm not sure what you mean. Lindstein outproduced ASP at Hlinkas 6 points in 5 games to 2 points in 5 games. This tournament ASP had almost all his points in one game where Canada and their goalie had a total meltdown, and now has just one more point than Lindstein. In total at U18 tournaments over the year (Hlinka, 5 Nation, 4 Nation, U18s), ASP has 16 points in 16 games to Lindstein's 15 in 12. In Sandin Pellikka's U20s everyone was so amazed about he had 1 point and -4 in 7 games... Edited April 27 by HighOnHockey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: On Strbak, people are talking about him as a surefire first rounder, but he's looked so bloody good this tournament and the defense rankings are so wide open, I wouldn't be shocked to see him suddenly springboard into the top 15 or 20. On Lindstein and ASP, I'm not sure what you mean. Lindstein outproduced ASP at Hlinkas 6 points in 5 games to 2 points in 5 games. This tournament ASP had almost all his points in one game where Canada and their goalie had a total meltdown, and now has just one more point than Lindstein. In total at U18 tournaments over the year (Hlinka, 5 Nation, 4 Nation, U18s), ASP has 16 points in 16 games to Lindstein's 15 in 12. In Sandin Pellikka's U20s everyone was so amazed about he had 1 point and -4 in 7 games... @HighOnHockey Is there a good chance this Reinbacher kid will be there for us at 11OA? Button has the kid ranked near the end of round one but he seems off with this, according some here. The kid looks like a good fit here and a bigger bodied, right shot D, who skates well, has good vision and skill, and plays (somewhat) a physical game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: @HighOnHockey Is there a good chance this Reinbacher kid will be there for us at 11OA? Button has the kid ranked near the end of round one but he seems off with this, according some here. The kid looks like a good fit here and a bigger bodied, right shot D, who skates well, has good vision and skill, and plays (somewhat) a physical game. I have him ranked right around 11 or 12 right now, but like many others here I just can't believe that there won't be a single defenseman drafted in the top 10 - even if it's maybe not quite warranted, there's always a team or two that will step up for a good defenseman with size (especially a RHS) - and Reinbacher seems to be the guy almost by default; hard to say who else it might be. Won't be Simashev because of Russia factor. Strbak is having such an extraordinary tournament he could be putting himself in the conversation but that would be pretty out of left field considering the rankings as they stand right now, but stranger things have happened and we'll see what the final rankings look like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 With Reinbacher, Lindstein, Willander, ASP I’m starting to see a path where we draft a Dman or with Dvorsky, Moore a 2-way Center who can play behind Pettersson who is also one of the better defensive Centers in the league. Im glad the crowd of finishing 11th overall has calmed down now that it seems like there is around 15 guys who could go top 10 this year. I do not see a scenario where we don’t draft a Dman or Center this draft as it has been documented that is what they have wanted in return for their big guns (Horvat, Miller) in a trade. Dvorsky, Moore, Reinbacher are my 3 targets and if one is there you take it and run. Prioritize RHD and at this point I’d take Dvorsky over Moore but ok if the scouting staff goes for the speed element. Exciting times this year and we still have a shot in the draft lottery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Hard to keep all the Meier's straight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 That was Leo Braillard's chance to stun Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 (edited) Wow. Pretty big upset for Slovakia. But worth noting just how young this Finland team was this year. Probably their two best players were both under-aged in Kiviharju and Helenius, but also four of their seven defensemen were under-aged. Dvorsky and Strbak are the tournament MVPs right now. What a monster game for Dvorsky in particular, which shouldn't be too surprising when you consider Finland's young defense combined with the fact that Dvorsky is aleady 205+; he just bullied his way all over the ice in this one. The tournament's two best defensemen went head to head today (my opinion, but also the two highest ATOI in the tournament) and once again their teams leaned on them heavily (24:26 for Kiviharju and 26:36 for Strbak). I was a little disappointed with Kiviharju today, particularly with the net empty in the final couple minutes. The Kiviharju I know and love shoots from the blueline at every opportunity, whether blasting slapshots for rebounds or sneaking wristers through for deflections, it's probably been my favorite thing about his game: the chaos he creates around the opposing goalie. But today he was deferring to the older players, passing up so many shooting opportunities and looking for the one-timer to Halttunen on the left side almost every time. @hammertime Another really impressive game for ya boi Pekarcik, leading Slovakian forwards in ice time at 23:02. The September birthday is interesting as it means he's practically a late birthday but still eligible for this draft; a good enough reason as any for a player to have been overlooked. I've been talking lately about how players don't effect their draft stock with this tournament as much as fans think, but in this case this kid exploded on the scene out of nowhere and it really seems like nobody saw this coming. In the video @TheQuietQuitter posted yesterday, Grant McCagg admitted to being caught off guard despite the fact that he's in regular conversation with NHL scouts, and suggested Pekarcik could go as early as the 2nd round. Edited April 27 by HighOnHockey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 16 hours ago, Strawbone said: Yeah I just can't imagine a draft where no D-man goes in the top 10. I bet it's never happened. 2003 i believe was the last time. Only non forward in the top 10 was Marc-Andre Fleury at 1st overall. I looked it up last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Dvorsky with another big game, I think he's going to sky-rocket, maybe go 5-10th overall. The stronger his game seems, the more I'd be happy taking him over even Reinbacher. He's big, strong and may be closer to NHL ready than a lot of other guys, but the same could be said of Reinbacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 33 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: 2003 i believe was the last time. Only non forward in the top 10 was Marc-Andre Fleury at 1st overall. I looked it up last week. There were 3 D-men taken in the top 10 of the 2003 draft (Suter at 7, Coburn at 8, and Phaneuf at 9). Fun fact (for me at least!): in 2012 (the Yakupov year), 8 of the top 10 picks were D-men. Edited April 27 by Strawbone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DownUndaCanuck Posted April 27 Popular Post Share Posted April 27 25 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Wow. Pretty big upset for Slovakia. But worth noting just how young this Finland team was this year. Probably their two best players were both under-aged in Kiviharju and Helenius, but also four of their seven defensemen were under-aged. Dvorsky and Strbak are the tournament MVPs right now. What a monster game for Dvorsky in particular, which shouldn't be too surprising when you consider Finland's young defense combined with the fact that Dvorsky is aleady 205+; he just bullied his way all over the ice in this one. The tournament's two best defensemen went head to head today (my opinion, but also the two highest ATOI in the tournament) and once again their teams leaned on them heavily (24:26 for Kiviharju and 26:36 for Strbak). I was a little disappointed with Kiviharju today, particularly with the net empty in the final couple minutes. The Kiviharju I know and love shoots from the blueline at every opportunity, whether blasting slapshots for rebounds or sneaking wristers through for deflections, it's probably been my favorite thing about his game: the chaos he creates around the opposing goalie. But today he was deferring to the older players, passing up so many shooting opportunities and looking for the one-timer to Halttunen on the left side almost every time. @hammertime Another really impressive game for ya boi Pekarcik, leading Slovakian forwards in ice time at 23:02. The September birthday is interesting as it means he's practically a late birthday but still eligible for this draft; a good enough reason as any for a player to have been overlooked. I've been talking lately about how players don't effect their draft stock with this tournament as much as fans think, but in this case this kid exploded on the scene out of nowhere and it really seems like nobody saw this coming. In the video @TheQuietQuitter posted yesterday, Grant McCagg admitted to being caught off guard despite the fact that he's in regular conversation with NHL scouts, and suggested Pekarcik could go as early as the 2nd round. Yep have to agree, it's hard to compare the stars of USA against guys like Dvorsky and Strbak who are playing on a generally weaker team, but doing extremely well. Smith VS Dvorsky later on in the tournament might be a really interesting matchup. You can see why Smith will probably go 5th or 6th overall, he's got some high-end offensive talent but boy does Dvorsky have a great all-around game and just looks like a man out there playing against boys. We're going to see a lot of draft matchups like this at the draft and for the rest of their careers as well. Carlsson vs Fantilli vs Michkov, Bedard vs all of them (but not really), Smith vs Dvorsky vs maybe Benson, ASP vs Reinbacher, Moore vs Leonard, Sale vs Cristall, Gulyayev vs Dragicevic etc. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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