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11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I'm interested to see where the Russians will be selected.

 

Michkov

Gulyeyev

But

Simashev

 

Thinking the Top 10 could be wacky once it's all said and done

 

1. Bedard

2. Fantilli

3. Carlsson

4. Sandin Pellikka (RDs like this don't come along very often, I can see a GM taking him high)

5. Dvorsky

6. Smith

7. Leonard

8. Reinbacher

9. Michkov

10. Benson

11. ?

 

Some decent options could still be available for the Canucks, like: Sale, Wood, Moore, Barlow and Stenberg

Danielson is the guy 

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12 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I'm interested to see where the Russians will be selected.

 

Michkov

Gulyeyev

But

Simashev

 

Thinking the Top 10 could be wacky once it's all said and done

 

1. Bedard

2. Fantilli

3. Carlsson

4. Sandin Pellikka (RDs like this don't come along very often, I can see a GM taking him high)

5. Dvorsky

6. Smith

7. Leonard

8. Reinbacher

9. Michkov

10. Benson

11. ?

 

Some decent options could still be available for the Canucks, like: Sale, Wood, Moore, Barlow and Stenberg

Id probably take Wood if thats whats left, but if Benson drops to 10 and we miss out on him by 1 spot im going to be very upset

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1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Personally I just don't see many teams taking that much extras risk for a bit more upside. Fantilli is already dominating NA hockey at a level similiar to Eichel, and his game is already so complete. But teams have paid the price for playing it safe in the past ie Nolan Patrick, not that the players are that comparable in their draft year performances. 

I'll reserve final judgment until after the World Championships, assuming Carlsson is there. To me they are razor-close and have been neck in neck all year. Maybe I'm biased because I had Carlsson ahead of Fantilli coming into the year and have been tenuously holding on to that belief by a thread all season. We know NHL teams love everything about a player like Fantilli - his complete game, his physicality, NHL-ready next year. But we know NHL teams also love the what-if of elite skill on a big frame. What if it isn't such a tiny bit more upside? Maybe Fantilli maxes out as a 80 point two-way center while Carlsson develops into a 100+ point offensive center. It's also not that much extra risk, as Carlsson already had a pretty big year at a much higher level of hockey than Fantilli did.

 

I just keep going back to what I believe was the first time I saw Carlsson at the 2021 fall 4 Nations, and I still wasn't familiar with players' numbers yet. There were multiple plays where at a glance I legit assumed it was Noah Ostlund carrying the puck through the neutral zone the way he slipped and slithered through opposing forecheckers, only to realize it was not the 5'10, 165 lb Ostlund but this 6'3 freak of nature. And watching him in the SHL, the way he's able to be deceptive against pro players down low in particular, with the little stutter steps and shoulder fakes. Fantilli is the more translatable NHL player overall, but Carlsson's offensive game looks highly translatable, and combined with his level of pure skill I just think the potential is there for a really special offensive player.

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12 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

Aside from what we can figure out for ourselves, most of what we get as fans is the opinions of journalists and some quotes from NHL scouts. I've always been a big believer that we as fans can always get a good sense of what legit hockey people think about the prospects by how their coaches see and use them. It's all right there in the ice time, plain as day. Comparing the Swedish D at this tournament is particularly interesting, but I totalled up ATOI for the top D in the tournament to see what we might see.

 

Maxim Strbak - 25:46

Aron Kiviharju - 24:59

Axel Sandin-Pellikka - 23:48

Theo Lindstein - 23:41

Lukas Dragicevic - 23:25

Tom Willander - 21:33

 

Nothing too surprising. I mean, I guess for anyone unfamiliar with Aron Kiviharju, an under-age D ranking 2nd in the tournament in ATOI would sound surprising, but to those who've been following his career for some time, nothing is really surprising anymore. Lukas Dragicevic was the biggest earner of his coach's trust, playing 18:40 in the first game of the tournament and then 20:58 in he second, continuing to gradually increase his ice team each game throughout the tournament before capping it off by playing 32:30 in the bronze medal game.

In regards to stat watching.

 

I found it interesting that Petr Dominik led Czechia in ice time among Fwds. This isn't a player I'm familiar with. It appears he's had some good Hilinkas but nothing to write home about otherwise. 

 

Despite having a less than eye popping tournament Oliver Moore was the most proficient on FO's an argument could also be made for Dvorski and Edstrom here. But the only players with a better %age than Moore had half the sample size. Despite having a slightly smaller sample Moore took the lions share of the draws for the USA. When the dust settled he took a few less and won a few more.

Moore +25

Dvorski +21

Edstrom +20

I found this interesting as Moore doesn't have the size or strength of those two.

 

Shout out to Adam Cedzo who was +3 tied for 1st on the club. 1 of only 3 Slovaks to finish with a + with all the Dvorsky Pekarcik watching this kid is a huge reason they got as far as they did. 

 

For the Finns. I took a look at Jarventie's ice time because he really impressed me he averaged 13:58 mins not a heck of a lot. In those mins he put up 3g 3a and a +4. If we were to project those numbers to say Halttunen's ice time 18:07 Jarvente would have been 2nd in points and tied for 1st in +/-. Now I know this isn't apples to apples but I thought he was incredibly efficient with his ice time and it was food for thought. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, hammertime said:

In regards to stat watching.

 

I found it interesting that Petr Dominik led Czechia in ice time among Fwds. This isn't a player I'm familiar with. It appears he's had some good Hilinkas but nothing to write home about otherwise. 

 

Despite having a less than eye popping tournament Oliver Moore was the most proficient on FO's an argument could also be made for Dvorski and Edstrom here. But the only players with a better %age than Moore had half the sample size. Despite having a slightly smaller sample Moore took the lions share of the draws for the USA. When the dust settled he took a few less and won a few more.

Moore +25

Dvorski +21

Edstrom +20

I found this interesting as Moore doesn't have the size or strength of those two.

 

Shout out to Adam Cedzo who was +3 tied for 1st on the club. 1 of only 3 Slovaks to finish with a + with all the Dvorsky Pekarcik watching this kid is a huge reason they got as far as they did. 

 

For the Finns. I took a look at Jarventie's ice time because he really impressed me he averaged 13:58 mins not a heck of a lot. In those mins he put up 3g 3a and a +4. If we were to project those numbers to say Halttunen's ice time 18:07 Jarvente would have been 2nd in points and tied for 1st in +/-. Now I know this isn't apples to apples but I thought he was incredibly efficient with his ice time and it was food for thought.

 

 

Yeah Dominik Petr is kind of interesting. I remember hearing about him years ago when he had a monster tournament at the WSI U13s. Eduard Sale was the 4th leading scorer on that team. He's had some good years since then in lower level youth leagues and I had him as a player to watch coming into the year but has been beyond underwhelming in the Finnish U20 league. Might be worth noting that his father is the head coach for the Czech U18 team, or maybe it's irrelevant, I dunno.

 

Moore's faceoff prowess shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, as his two-way game and penalty killing has always been his forte. As I've said before he reminds me of folks like Andrew Cogliano or John Madden, smallish, speedy two-way centers who are at their best on the PK and centering a checking line. If he can figure out the offensive side of things I could see him being closer to a Mike Richards, but that's very much in question.

 

I remember having this debate with someone a while back (maybe @Bure_Pavel) who said he didn't think Moore would be a center in the NHL. Personally I can't imagine him playing anything but center.

 

I like Jarventie too actually. Was hoping to see more production from him at this tournament but Finland didn't have a good tournament and like you said he didn't play a ton. Somewhat like Petr, he was a kid who was on peoples' radars early on but has been pretty hit or miss at different levels. Could still be a gem but I don't think I'd take him inside he first two rounds.

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5 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:

Yeah Dominik Petr is kind of interesting. I remember hearing about him years ago when he had a monster tournament at the WSI U13s. Eduard Sale was the 4th leading scorer on that team. He's had some good years since then in lower level youth leagues and I had him as a player to watch coming into the year but has been beyond underwhelming in the Finnish U20 league. Might be worth noting that his father is the head coach for the Czech U18 team, or maybe it's irrelevant, I dunno.

 

Moore's faceoff prowess shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, as his two-way game and penalty killing has always been his forte. As I've said before he reminds me of folks like Andrew Cogliano or John Madden, smallish, speedy two-way centers who are at their best on the PK and centering a checking line. If he can figure out the offensive side of things I could see him being closer to a Mike Richards, but that's very much in question.

 

I remember having this debate with someone a while back (maybe @Bure_Pavel) who said he didn't think Moore would be a center in the NHL. Personally I can't imagine him playing anything but center.

 

I like Jarventie too actually. Was hoping to see more production from him at this tournament but Finland didn't have a good tournament and like you said he didn't play a ton. Somewhat like Petr, he was a kid who was on peoples' radars early on but has been pretty hit or miss at different levels. Could still be a gem but I don't think I'd take him inside he first two rounds.

Yeah its just the very limited # of top 6 centers in the NHL that are sub six foot, I think he will have a bit of a mountain to climb. He could be like an Andrew Cogliano type center though in my opinion, more of a speedy 3rd line utility center who can PK.   

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On 5/1/2023 at 10:57 AM, Bure_Pavel said:

My rankings after the U18 Tournament 

 

1) Bedard

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2) Fantilli

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3) Carlsson

4) Michkov

5) Smith

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6) Dvorsky

7) Reinbacher

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8) ASP

9) Leonard

10) Wood

11) Sale

12) Benson

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13) Yager

14) Barlow

15) Perreault

16) Moore

17) Honzek

18) Ritchie

19) Danielson

20) Halttunen

21) Cristall

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22) Stenberg

23) Simachev

24) Dragicevic

25) Strbak

25) Stramel

26) Heidt

27) But

28) Wallinder

29) Musty

30) Gulyayev

31) Brindley

32) Pekarcik

 

Looks very solid. I assume you're taking the Russia factor into account given the placements of But and Gulyayev.

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Would anyone part with the 11th selection if we could nab Laf and Schneider from NYR and maybe we throw in Hoglander who they wanted badly for Kravtsov

 

Laf-Petey-Kuz

Beauvillier-Miller-Boeser

 

Hughes-Schneider

OEL-Hronek

 

 

We get a 21 yr old RHD who's a bit of a throw back. Would compliment Hughes perfectly. 6'3 210

We take a gamble on another 21 yr old Alexis Laf who had 0 points in 7 games for NYR against Devils. Emilie Castonguay would have inside scoop and maybe knows what we could do to take his career to next level

 

 

Thoughts?

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1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:

Yeah Dominik Petr is kind of interesting. I remember hearing about him years ago when he had a monster tournament at the WSI U13s. Eduard Sale was the 4th leading scorer on that team. He's had some good years since then in lower level youth leagues and I had him as a player to watch coming into the year but has been beyond underwhelming in the Finnish U20 league. Might be worth noting that his father is the head coach for the Czech U18 team, or maybe it's irrelevant, I dunno.

 

Moore's faceoff prowess shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, as his two-way game and penalty killing has always been his forte. As I've said before he reminds me of folks like Andrew Cogliano or John Madden, smallish, speedy two-way centers who are at their best on the PK and centering a checking line. If he can figure out the offensive side of things I could see him being closer to a Mike Richards, but that's very much in question.

 

I remember having this debate with someone a while back (maybe @Bure_Pavel) who said he didn't think Moore would be a center in the NHL. Personally I can't imagine him playing anything but center.

 

I like Jarventie too actually. Was hoping to see more production from him at this tournament but Finland didn't have a good tournament and like you said he didn't play a ton. Somewhat like Petr, he was a kid who was on peoples' radars early on but has been pretty hit or miss at different levels. Could still be a gem but I don't think I'd take him inside he first two rounds.

I am more or less trolling for 3rds and 4ths that could be found money. 

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4 minutes ago, Outsiders said:

Would anyone part with the 11th selection if we could nab Laf and Schneider from NYR and maybe we throw in Hoglander who they wanted badly for Kravtsov

 

Laf-Petey-Kuz

Beauvillier-Miller-Boeser

 

Hughes-Schneider

OEL-Hronek

 

 

We get a 21 yr old RHD who's a bit of a throw back. Would compliment Hughes perfectly. 6'3 210

We take a gamble on another 21 yr old Alexis Laf who had 0 points in 7 games for NYR against Devils. Emilie Castonguay would have inside scoop and maybe knows what we could do to take his career to next level

 

 

Thoughts?

Sure with the 11th you would be hoping to get a Schneider so it would be Hoglander for Laf, that being said NYR are win now so they wouldn’t do it 

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3 minutes ago, Off_The_Schneid! said:

Sure with the 11th you would be hoping to get a Schneider so it would be Hoglander for Laf, that being said NYR are win now so they wouldn’t do it 

No way NYR does that on value alone. 
We are way short on the cost of that deal. 
Doesn’t seem like right thing for NYR anyway. 

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54 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:

Looks very solid. I assume you're taking the Russia factor into account given the placements of But and Gulyayev.

Yeah there is definitely a Russian Factor applied, most dropped approximately 7 spots due to added risk.

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5 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

I'm interested to see where the Russians will be selected.

 

Michkov

Gulyeyev

But

Simashev

 

Thinking the Top 10 could be wacky once it's all said and done

 

1. Bedard

2. Fantilli

3. Carlsson

4. Sandin Pellikka (RDs like this don't come along very often, I can see a GM taking him high)

5. Dvorsky

6. Smith

7. Leonard

8. Reinbacher

9. Michkov

10. Benson

11. ?

 

Some decent options could still be available for the Canucks, like: Sale, Wood, Moore, Barlow and Stenberg

I wouldn't be surprised if Benson fell out of the top 10. Wood shot up in the draft rankings before the u18 tourney, he looked like cemented his spot in the top 10 as an elite power forward.  Todd Bertuzzi's are rare and hard to come by.  I think Dvorsky, Wood, and Pellikka will push Benson out of the top 10.  Benson had fallen to 8th before the u18 tourney in some mock drafts.  I still think Cristall is the sleeper in the draft though.

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30 minutes ago, Hamhuis2 said:

Hi all,

 

Posting my rankings for the 1st round of the 2023 draft for feedback and discussion.

 

I'm curious as to what CDC thinks about the 2023 first round. Pre-draft, it's looking like one of the best I can remember, with absolute franchise/elite players at the top, and first-line players available well into the middle of the round. It's a good year to have a 1st (or two... :/).

 

Brief stylistic comparisons and projections included here - let me know what you think!:

 

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2023 1st Round Draft Rankings:

Player - Position - Potential - Point Projection - Stylistic Comparable - Notes

1. Bedard - C - Top-5 player - 100+ points - Joe Sakic mixed with Patty Kane - Dynamic sniper, sneaky edgework, elite skill.

 

2. Michkov - RW - Top-5 goalscoer - 100+ points - Nikita Kucherov - Intelligent, high-skilled player who excels at darting into space in the offensive zone. Can score from anywhere. Potential 50 goal scorer.

 

3. Fantilli - C - Top-10 centre - 90+ points - Jonathan Toews - High-end physical tools + aggressive + solid hockey sense.

 

4. Carlsson - C/LW - Top-10 centre - 90+ points - Filip Forsberg - High degree of drive + skill. Uses his body to protect the puck very well.

 

5. Smith - C - #1 centre - 80+ points - Trevor Zegras - Creative, controls the pace of the game, which can sometimes cause him to look slow.  Can lack on defensive effort, but is an offensive wizard.

 

6. Benson - LW/RW - Play-driving 1st line winger - 80+ points - Brayden Point - Workhorse with high-end skill. Above average straight-line speed, but elite edges. Small, but tenacious.

 

7. Reinbacher - RD - Top-pair defenceman - 40 points -  Alex Pietrangelo - Above-average puck skills. Very good distance passer and decision maker. Above average skater with room to improve pivots. Great reach and overall defensive play.

 

8. Leonard - RW/C - Complementary 1st line winer - 70 points - Zach Parise - Elite motor, high-end shot and puck skills. Good two-way player who plays like a smaller power forward.

 

9.  Moore - C - High-end #2 centre - 65 points - Dylan Larkin - Best skater in the draft, with a willingness to play inside the dots. Good puck skills and passing. Above average hockey IQ.

 

10. Dvorsky - C - High-end #2 centre - 60 points - Anze Kopitar - Advanced defensive game, great shot, but needs time to get it off. Above average puck skills. Heavy feet, but ok speed once he gets going.

 

11. Cristell - LW - Complementary 1st line winger or bust - 75+ points or bust - Claude Giroux - Elite puck skills, highly creative. Fantastic passer with a great shot. One of the best players in the offensive zone, though he can force plays. Good edges but average separation and top speed.

 

12. Sandin-Pellikka - RD - Offensive #3 defenceman - 50+ points - Quinn Hughes - Elite skater, including great four-way mobility. Play-driver from the backend, with good vision and passing. Typically good decision-making; prone to some lapses. Average defensively.

 

13. Barlow - LW - 1st/2nd line power forward - 60 points - Mason McTavish - High-end shot and physical tools. Plays a direct game with above-average skating. Above-average hockey IQ, but probably won't be the primary creator on his line.

 

14. Wood - 1st line power forward or bust - 75+ points or bust - Jason Robertson - High-end tools, including shot, size, and puck skills. Incredibly intelligent player. Below-average acceleration and average top speed. Skating could limit his upside, or he could become the next Jason Robertson.

 

15. Perrault - Complimentary 1st line winger - 60 points - Jake Guentzel - Not the biggest or the fastest, but the hockey IQ is near the top of the class, and he has good skill.  Wide spread on this player, but he's too smart to fail.

 

16. Yager - 1st/2nd line sniper - 60 points - Mike Hoffman -  Great shot and good skating, but plays a bit too much on the perimeter, leading to inconsistencies in creating. Average/above-average hockey IQ.

 

17. Danielson - #2 two-way centre - 50 points - Anthony Cirelli - Prototypical two-way #2C. Very responsible player who is a jack of all trades. Good, but not great at everything.

 

18. Sale - RW - 1st line offensive winger or bust - 65+ points or bust - Taylor Hall - Great individual puck skills and speed. More of a playmaker, but has a good shot - needs to use it more. Very inconsistent - can disappear for games at a time and then look like the best player on the ice.

 

19. Heidt - LW/C - 2nd line playmaker - 55 points - Nick Schmaltz - Great passer and playdriver from the centre or wing. Good mobility, especially carrying the puck in transition. He has high-end hockey IQ, and should play C at the next level. Despite low goal totals, he is a good one-timer option on the PP.

 

20. Simashev - LD - #3-4 shutdown defenceman - 25 points - Jonas Siegenthaler - Big shutdown defenceman with a good stick, above average skating & physicality, and some offensive upside. Potential the best defensive player in the draft.

 

21. Brindley - 2nd line pest - 50 points - Brad Marchand - Tenacious player with a high-end motor and good puck skills. Great at puck retrievals and keeping plays alive in the offensive zone.

 

22. Honzek - C/LW - 2nd line powerforward - 50 points - Danius Zubrus - Plus size and above-average skating. Doesn't shy away from the middle of the ice, especially the front of the net. Can be inconsistent and needs to work on his defensive play.

 

23. Willander - RD - #3-4 two-way defenceman - 30 points - Anton Stralman - Very efficient player with good mobility, decision-making, and passing. Isn't flashy, but always seems to make the right play. Could improve his

 

24. Ritchie - C - #2 two-way centre - 50 points - Ryan O'Reilly - Above average in everything except average skating.

 

25. Stenburg - C - #2 two-way centre - 50+ points - Philip Danault - Good two-way player with above-average skating and hands. Likes the puck on his stick and excels in transition. Plus shot from range.

 

26. Gulyayev - LD - #4 offensive defenceman - 50+ points - Tyson Barrie - Elite skater with high-end offensive tools, including stickhandling and passing in the offensive zone. Loves to join the rush, and can get back due to his elite speed. In-zone defending and strength need improvement.

 

27. Sawchyn - C -  Middle-six energy forward - 45 points - JG Pageau - High-end motor and good passing, especially in tight spaces. He's a tenacious forechecker who can play higher in the lineup due to his hockey IQ and good skill base, though may be limited by his size.

 

28. Musty - LW - Top-6 playmaker or bust - 55+ points or bust - Benoit Pouliot - Above-average individual skill, creativity, and vision. Struggles with inconsistency, physicality, and skating - especially his acceleration.

 

29. Ziemmer - RW - Top-6 power forward - 50 points - Timo Meier - Excellent at using his size to protect the puck and drive the net. Has a great shot, good IQ and passing ability, but can lack explosiveness.

 

30. Lindstein - LD - #4 two-way defenceman - 30 points - Henri Jokiharju - Smooth skating defender with a big shot, but can struggle under pressure with his decision-making.

 

31. But - LW - Top-6 power forward or bust - 50+ points or bust - Evgeni Malkin - Massive physical player with good puck skills and a hard, but inaccurate shot. He's very raw, and has an awkward stride that doesn't generate much power, leading to poor acceleration but decent top speed. Honestly could go anywhere from 10-50.

 

32. Gauthier - RW - Middle-six pest - 40 points - Mike Richards - Good motor, especially on the forecheck. He is relentless, and an intelligent two-way player. Average skating and skills limit upside, but he's hard to play against.

 

 

Note: This is not a mock draft. If I'm the Canucks, my realistic targets are Reinbacher, Moore, Leonard, Sandin-Pellikka, or Wood, probably in that order.

Great rankings, love the stylistic comparables. 

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Just now, Alflives said:

Benson or Reinbacher? 

We need a high-end RHD, but Benson is the better prospect for sure. I know the Canucks don't really need any more prospects on the wing, but drafting for need isn't a good recipe for success. I'd love either though!

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