Guest Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 14 hours ago, Alflives said: I understand it’s unlikely but if Michkov falls out of the top 5 in the draft I hope we can make a deal to move up and get him. Allvin says he wants to draft difference makers and Michkov is that for sure. After Bedard he’s the biggest difference maker in this draft. We would have to trade with Philly for 7th overall to nab Michkov. Can't see Washington at 8th passing him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) @HighOnHockey I wouldn't draft any of the names listed at the 11 spot, although I can see a few of them drafted in the 15-20 range. If Reinbacher is available I might consider it an option depending on which forwards are still on the board. If I'm swinging for the fences at 11, I would opt for the high ceiling skill guys like Cristall, Perreault, Gulyayev, ASP maybe Heidt or Yager and hope that the development staff can fix their deficiencies so they can reach their NHL potential. In the end though, I wouldn't draft any of the names I've listed with the 11th pick. Edited May 5 by TheQuietQuitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 8 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: I didn't think Podkolzin would be there past 7th, so he caught me completely off guard in that draft. I remember seeing him as ranked 3rd overall in terms of skill, with the KHL two year contract hanging over him. If Benson drops to us, it's a no-brainer for me. The only caveat with Benson is that he's been playing with great teammates/linemates for a long time now with Winnipeg Ice. He's the play driver though, so I have very little fear that he's being propped up by his linemates. I love Benson's potential as a playmaking winger. I'm not sure if he'll be a play driver at the NHL level, but he makes his line better with his compete and IQ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: Aside from Wood and Danielson, who've been talked about here plenty, are there any big bodies ranked within range of the first half of the first round anyone would take a swing on at 11? Honzek? Halttunen? But? Edstrom? Stramel? Maybe Simashev? Did you listen to Grant Mckaggs video on the Recrutes site - Smith v Dvorsky ? It's about 30 minutes and he delves into a few other prospects as well. Very illuminating if you trust his judgement/ scouting ability. As you have noted Recrutes has But ranked 4, only the big three ahead of him. Since they placed him there I have been trying to access as much video and scouting reports as I can. Apparently he has dominated the MHL playoffs. https://thehockeywriters.com/daniil-but-2023-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/ This report notes his skating need work however as Grant notes in the video I mentioned in regards to Wood who also has issues with his skating, teams will remember guys like Robertson and Thompson to name a couple had skating issues in their draft year. Out of the players you mentioned he would be the only one I would definitely take a flyer on. Honzek is right on the edge of top 15 IMO. Grant was pretty high on Edstrom, stated he would probably pick him before Stenberg, however still would be in the late teens. Halttunen is intriguing, has regressed a bit this year however when he went back to playing against his own age group he flourished. To me this illustrates you can't rush a players development even if they possess size. I do think he will be an impact player in the NHL just gonna take a few years playing in NA to acclimatise. If he is drafted after 20 some team is gonna be very happy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) @Ilunga Do you know if the Recrutes draft ranking on the website is related to McCaggs input or was that Top 10 compiled by someone else? But at 4 is interesting. I projected him to go late first at the earliest. Edited May 5 by TheQuietQuitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Bedard Michkov Fantilli Carlsson Dvorsky But All these kids have a floor of 2C potential,maybe top 1C in a couple of the obvious cases. Michkov a winger of course and will probably be a top liner. Smith will be a difference maker however he doesn't work hard enough in his own end ATM to warrant a guaranteed centre spot in the NHL Benson so much talent and ability will he be a Brayden Point or a Johhny Hockey. Yager is definitely a playmaker however will he make a true 2C. Danielson, has been called one of the best skaters in this draft and he definitely is a very good playmaker, he also doesn't shoot a lot, not taking high danger chances however he still has potted 33 reg season goals. Matthew Wood does have skating issues however apparently he has a strong work ethic and has scored at nearly a PPG at NCAA level as a 17 year old for most of the season. I believe all these players can contribute to a teams chances winning playoff games, be it with skill/size, and or drive and determination. There's my 11 players that I would be happy if we used our pick on one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 24 minutes ago, TheQuietQuitter said: @Ilunga Do you know if the Recrutes draft ranking on the website is related to McCaggs input or was that Top 10 compiled by someone else? But at 4 is interesting. I projected him to go late first at the earliest. Grant is in contact with other scouts. I presume it is like any group of people who share an interest/ profession, they interact and share a bit of knowledge. I was put onto him by some hockey nuts here in Aus that I used to play drop in hockey with when I was in Canada and then here in Aus. These guys live and breathe and play hockey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 5 hours ago, hammertime said: If Alvin is going back to the sea of Lekkerimaki's Obviously what he values highly and what I want are super far apart. But in giving it some thought. If his sole focus is high end elite skill. As he believes he can get character guys who compete hard and play roles by other means. If we use @J.I.A.H.N's model here And I try to look at it through the lens Alvin is communicating to his scouts. We trade 11 OA to CHI To Nux 20oa Reily Heidt Gets it done on the inside plays bigger than he is. Franchise player upside. 5'11 180 might even make it as a C. I have him ahead of Benson and Cristal. But rankings have him here. 35oa Gavin Brindley PPG in the NCAA which is nuts he's full of pep watch him battle 6'3 210 Knies at the big ten. He will drop just outside the 1st because he's 5'9 160. I posted this already put I'll put it up again because its a fun watch. 44oa Luca Pinelli 18 points in 11 playoff games >> Zack Benson 12 points in 10 playoff games. >> Andrew Cristal 1 point in 4 playoff games - Even Reily Heidt only had 8 points in 9 playoff games. I caught a couple of Pinelli's games he's a real sleeper. Playoffs are where men are separated from the boys. He's ranked way too low including by myself. Anyway food for thought. I'm trying to put my biases aside as I want Big strong D power fwds and 2 way C's I want to hit on a player with every pick. Instead I'm trying to look at it like buying lotto tickets. Just go for the jackpots. I understand the metric but I doubt we get 3 top picks, maybe the 20th overall + 35th overall and that's it. I'd go defence-mad and draft one of the top guys like Strbak, Simashev, Gulyayev etc. with the 20OA (assuming ASP and Reinbacher are long gone by then) and take a flyer on one of the 3rd-tier defencemen like Bonk, Allen, Price, Dragicevic etc. with the latter one. Willander and Lindstein will be on Allvin's radar and hard to say where they go, they had a massive U18 tournament so I'd put them up there with Strbak and Simashev. I know there are some great centers in this draft but that 20 - 40th overall seems to be the sweet spot for picking defencemen and if we can fill our cupboards with two future top-4 guys, one of whom may become elite (Strbak?), then I'd take it and run. Let them cook for a couple of years, draft centers in the next draft and hopefully they'll all come into the league together in 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I wonder if they should steer clear of Wood. Sure, he's big and had good success at the U18s, but he played on a line with Celebrini and Ritchie, and I think that's why he had so much success. His skating isn't great. Put him in a Canucks uni and he'll look like Brendan Gaunce 2.0. Canucks have one shot at acquiring an elite player. Michkov Benson Dvorsky Leonard ASP Reinbacher Maybe one of them is there at #11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Thinking: if VAN drafted Sandin Pellikka (as well as having Hughes), could they have a similar 1-2 punch of mobile D as COL has with Makar and Byram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 36 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I wonder if they should steer clear of Wood. Sure, he's big and had good success at the U18s, but he played on a line with Celebrini and Ritchie, and I think that's why he had so much success. His skating isn't great. Put him in a Canucks uni and he'll look like Brendan Gaunce 2.0. Canucks have one shot at acquiring an elite player. Michkov Benson Dvorsky Leonard ASP Reinbacher Maybe one of them is there at #11 There’s more to the season then one tournament at the end of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: There’s more to the season then one tournament at the end of the year Not according to Benning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 In Bob's latest list Will Smith is #3, jumping over Leo Carlsson, and David Reinbacher is 10th. So far the top 12 have been released. 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Smith 4. Carlsson 5. Michkov 6. Dvorsky 7. Leonard 8. Benson 9. Perreault 10. Reinbacher 11. Barlow 12. Wood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Thinking: if VAN drafted Sandin Pellikka (as well as having Hughes), could they have a similar 1-2 punch of mobile D as COL has with Makar and Byram? We'd really need to focus on getting some proper gritty defencemen who are a bit older to protect them and play the physical game. ASP can play on the right or left, I doubt he'd get paired with Hughes so we'd probably put him with Hronek in 2-3 years time. Then we really need a shutdown veteran to play with Hughes and a Schenn-like guy on the bottom pairing with a very old OEL. Otherwise we snag Reinbacher and get great balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 13 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: In Bob's latest list Will Smith is #3, jumping over Leo Carlsson, and David Reinbacher is 10th. So far the top 12 have been released. 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Smith 4. Carlsson 5. Michkov 6. Dvorsky 7. Leonard 8. Benson 9. Perreault 10. Reinbacher 11. Barlow 12. Wood I really like this list, but I don't understand the lack of love for ASP on a lot of lists. His skating is unreal, so smart, produces. I'd replace Wood with ASP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I’m definitely a fan of Wood over Barlow in our range on Bob’s list. I watched Barlow really closely at the u18 and the thing that surprised me the most was he lost a lot of the puck battles he engaged in with smaller players. I get the feeling he’s an early development guy with a heavy shot. Maybe Patrick Maroon comparable? Barlow is trending down and Wood is trending up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 10 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: Aside from Wood and Danielson, who've been talked about here plenty, are there any big bodies ranked within range of the first half of the first round anyone would take a swing on at 11? Honzek? Halttunen? But? Edstrom? Stramel? Maybe Simashev? I wouldn't swing on him at 11 too many questions still. He was too young to get tossed into Liiga and didn't look ready for that level yet. Where unlike Barlow who is going to fill the net from below the circles with quick hands. For me Halttunen looks to me like the most dangerous shot in the draft. He will beat pro goalies from everywhere with it. Will the rest of his game come?? He's 6'3 210lbs for his age and his size he skates quite well not the bambi legs you see with other young big players. I would consider taking a gamble on him as high as 15 just on tools. If he can put it together he's a rare specimen a potential jackpot player. Laine would be my comparable. Edited May 5 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 48 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: We'd really need to focus on getting some proper gritty defencemen who are a bit older to protect them and play the physical game. ASP can play on the right or left, I doubt he'd get paired with Hughes so we'd probably put him with Hronek in 2-3 years time. Then we really need a shutdown veteran to play with Hughes and a Schenn-like guy on the bottom pairing with a very old OEL. Otherwise we snag Reinbacher and get great balance. OEL won't be very old in 2-3 years. Lots of effective 35 year old veteran d-men in the league and OEL will be 33. He would be a very good mentor for ASP. Having said all that, I'd much prefer to grab Reinbacher and roll the dice that he will become an Alex Edler type (hopefully without the back injuries). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 54 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I really like this list, but I don't understand the lack of love for ASP on a lot of lists. His skating is unreal, so smart, produces. I'd replace Wood with ASP. From what I've gathered, scouts are concerned about his game translating to the NA sized rinks as well as some compete issues. I think people we're putting too much stock into his U18 performance against weak competition. I have Sandin-Pellikka ranked around 20, but I do think a team might take a chance on him the 8-12 range. I'd take Wood's potential over Sandin-Pellikka's potential all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 8 minutes ago, TheQuietQuitter said: From what I've gathered, scouts are concerned about his game translating to the NA sized rinks as well as some compete issues. I think people we're putting too much stock into his U18 performance against weak competition. I have Sandin-Pellikka ranked around 20, but I do think a team might take a chance on him the 8-12 range. I'd take Wood's potential over Sandin-Pellikka's potential all day. It will be interesting to see how these players turn out in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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