Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted May 6 Popular Post Share Posted May 6 I'm going to sacrifice some chickens this weekend, ahead of the draft lottery. I'm not sure it will help, but at least I'll have a nice BBQ... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 9 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Isn't Wood's skating really bad? I like a big scorer, but that criticism is a tough one to look past (perhaps he's improved by now?). Skating is usually an issue for these bigger guys. Definitely needs to work on his acceleration and some mechanics. He's been able to succeed without it in the NCAA because of his stick handling and puck control. Whoever drafts him will need to be patient with his skating development. He could be a real beast in 4-6 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 59 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: Please. his mobility and solid core is a great fit for our blue line. he gains an inch of height or two and he is NHL sized. Hits like his is already. Do you view his a player ready to make the jump to the NHL next year or do you think he would be better suited with a few seasons in the SHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 12 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Isn't Wood's skating really bad? I like a big scorer, but that criticism is a tough one to look past (perhaps he's improved by now?). Matthew Wood was almost at a PPG in the NCAA as a 17-year-old. This is unheard of. Last guy to do that was Jonathan Toews. Wood trained with Bedard for a year when he was 14 and lived at his home. He has a deadly wrist shot and is huge. He will never be the best skater on the ice, but if he can improve his skating 10% he will be a beast of a power forward. They may even play him at centre next year, so he may pull a Tage Thompson and switch to centre. A 6'4" 220 pound right-handed 2C would be like Manna from heaven for the Canucks. We haven't had one of those types of guys since Ryan Kesler. In 5 years, Matthew Wood may become one of the best players in this entire draft. Tage Thompson was taken at 26 in 2016. In a draft redo he goes top 5. Same thing can happen with Wood... Edited May 6 by Elias Pettersson 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted May 6 Author Share Posted May 6 2 hours ago, hammertime said: I really commend you for having your guns and sticking to em. If you will allow me to offer my opinion. While Gulyayev isn't defensively deficient like some other posters suggest he is also not nearly as effective as Pellikka is in the D zone at separating pucks from guys with constant bumps, body position, and stick pokes. Neither of the players you mention frequently Gulyayev or Minitian are "that guy" (Hughes/Makar) either though. I think Minitian is a solid mid 2nd rounder and I think if Gulyayev shot right and wasn't russian he might be in consideration for a top 10 pick even while not being Hughes Makar level. ASP 5'11 181lbs I think he's probably closer to 185 hopefully we see him at the combine id like to see where he's at fitness wise I think he will have a strong wingate. Gulyayev 5'10 170 Aram Minitian 5'11 192 is his listing on USNDP or 6'0 170 on EP again hope to see him at the combine. While I agree Gulyayev's skating is the best in class he's a bit of an ankle biter when it comes to physical contests. Credit where credit is due he is willing to engage even if he isn't very effective at this time. There is hope as he gets stronger. One of the reasons I had bought the Hughes hype in his draft year was his willingness to engage physically and one of my criticisms of his brother Jack was he did not nearly as often or with any vigor. If you're going to make it in the NHL at this size you have to be hard af on pucks Axel IMO is far more effective than these 2 in this regard without overstating it none of them are Pronger here. Well there aren't too many players like Hughes or Makar in the NHL, but I believe both Minnetian and Gulyayev have higher upside than Sandin-Pellikka. Minnetian has some bugs to work out with his 360 degree skating, but the potential is there for a gamebreaker. Not saying I think he'll be picked as high as I have him ranked; I'm sure he'll go second round, maybe even third, but if a team is patient and brings him along the right way, he could end up being the best defenseman out of the draft. Same for Gulyayev. He likely goes quite a bit earlier than Minnetian but will be interesting to see what happens with all the Russians this year. Last year Miroshnichenko and Yurov both went at least 10-15 spots later than where they should have gone. I don't put too much focus now days on the defensive prowess of these small defense prospects. They're all going to struggle with the strength of NHL players just the same. Minnetian is in a bit of a different category than the other two in that he's been known to have a physical edge and to step up and throw some pretty big open-ice hits. But generally speaking for these smaller D, being able to retrieve pucks, be highly evasive and make zone exits with near-perfect success rates is much more important to me. Sandin-Pellikka is great at making exits as part of a team structure and he doesn't turn over the puck easily, but for a player to have that extra gear and the ability to take over and find a way to escape almost any kind of pressure is a rare skill that I don't quite see that from any other defensemen in this draft. Minnetian, ASP and some others are great at moving the puck through the neutral zone, but they just don't have that next level of escapability in their own zone that Gulyayev has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 12 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Isn't Wood's skating really bad? I like a big scorer, but that criticism is a tough one to look past (perhaps he's improved by now?). Not so bad as much as it is awkward. For some reason Dave Andreychuk comes to mind in that respect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 19 hours ago, TheQuietQuitter said: I read somewhere or saw in a video that some teams might view him as a center which would increase his stock for those specific teams. As a center, I can see a team reaching in the 10-15 range. As a winger, 15-20. I view Simashev as a long term project, but he does have the potential to be a very good player if his development pans out. I was intrigued when Central Scouting released their NA rankings about a month ago and had him 4th. I started drinking the kool-aid after watching some scouting videos. I started chugging the Kool Aid after seeing him at the U18 and the raw potential he has to be a dominant puck control player. I mentioned earlier that I would take Wood's potential over ASP's. I would take him over Reinbacher as well. I’m gonna be holding off on my final tiers till the combine and interviews it’s a really hard group of players to sort. the only thing I’m certain of in this draft is Bedard 1 And Leo / Adam will be 2/3 in any order as that’s not even a clear consensus. from 4-15 this draft is feeling wide open now. Which makes for a very fun draft day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) On 5/5/2023 at 12:04 PM, Alflives said: I don’t know if Bracket allows his voice to supersede what his scouts believe is best. He is a smart manager who creates an environment for the experts to make their voices heard. Benning simply chose who he felt was best. Benning’s biggest flaw, IMHAO, was his arrogance about his scouting expertise, even when as GM and President he didn’t have time to scout. Yes to Bennings arroganance but I tend t think his arrogance as more scared of others showing him up, not the sharpest knife in the draw. What Brackett did was he imposed a system into the scouting process. It has to the best of my knowledge been continued by Todd Harvey. It ranks propscr for the draft by defined criteria. Edited May 6 by Fred65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 25 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Well there aren't too many players like Hughes or Makar in the NHL, but I believe both Minnetian and Gulyayev have higher upside than Sandin-Pellikka. Minnetian has some bugs to work out with his 360 degree skating, but the potential is there for a gamebreaker. Not saying I think he'll be picked as high as I have him ranked; I'm sure he'll go second round, maybe even third, but if a team is patient and brings him along the right way, he could end up being the best defenseman out of the draft. Same for Gulyayev. He likely goes quite a bit earlier than Minnetian but will be interesting to see what happens with all the Russians this year. Last year Miroshnichenko and Yurov both went at least 10-15 spots later than where they should have gone. I don't put too much focus now days on the defensive prowess of these small defense prospects. They're all going to struggle with the strength of NHL players just the same. Minnetian is in a bit of a different category than the other two in that he's been known to have a physical edge and to step up and throw some pretty big open-ice hits. But generally speaking for these smaller D, being able to retrieve pucks, be highly evasive and make zone exits with near-perfect success rates is much more important to me. Sandin-Pellikka is great at making exits as part of a team structure and he doesn't turn over the puck easily, but for a player to have that extra gear and the ability to take over and find a way to escape almost any kind of pressure is a rare skill that I don't quite see that from any other defensemen in this draft. Minnetian, ASP and some others are great at moving the puck through the neutral zone, but they just don't have that next level of escapability in their own zone that Gulyayev has. so, the caucks should trade hughes for a bigger, tougher d man? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 hours ago, TheQuietQuitter said: Do you view his a player ready to make the jump to the NHL next year or do you think he would be better suited with a few seasons in the SHL? Most top d men need to bake till D 2 in their amateur leagues prior to turning Pro in the optimal time lines. Its very rare to have a Hughes or Makar type walk right into the NHL experience, ASP has the frame and is a very mobile player. and I am equally impressed with Rienbachers potential. just that ASP has a think core and so any concerns to his sub 6 foot height are not a concern for me at all if he can be a mobile four way skater and also be able to physically play defensively in the hard areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 12 minutes ago, smithers joe said: so, the caucks should trade hughes for a bigger, tougher d man? There is a great deal more to defence than just agility and or skating with the puck. ASP is it small. He is just not 6 foot or taller. 5’11 and his mobility as a blend of agility and skating is one of his biggest strengths as I understand things. I would be happy to draft more than one d man considering we hav e gone drafts without taking any. random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Smithers Joe… I quoted you, but ikd? Should the Canucks trade Hughes for a bigger d man? Scott Niedmeyer. Sp? Nuff said. The Devils got Scott Stevens to play with Scott Niedmeyer and their dynasty ended when Neidmeyer went to Anaheim. then the ducks got Pronger to play with Scott. The Hawks kept Keith and when he left they were over too. I would think trading Hughes would be self lobotomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 10 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: 11. hmm. well the RHD and Center spots are fully open save the first ten guys. I do hope ASP and or reinbacher drop and or we look to a few moves to add depth. the acid in my tears from watching Forsling is just further reason to select d men in the draft and we have never had any point in this franchise were we had enough defensive depth. the closet point was the 2011 run and it wasn’t quite enough. Look at the teams that are draft defenders, they have defenders to trade. Look at what trades for defenders can get and you actually need less defenders to ice a team. By sheer logic alone. if you take who you think project to be the best D men, you will invariably draft d and you can draft a Forsling type player and then keep them, but that low low price of a 5th round pick sure will be a lot less than the trade value and or FA contract if Forsling ever hits FA. What value would Forsling get at the next TDL or prior to this years draft? Hronek got 18th OA. This is why you seek to develop and promote your D men and draft them. the fools that solely look a play with the puck to define the success rate in draft picks and overemphasis the risk factor in drafting D men in the first round are not watching the game, they are watching the numbers. We need one more younger D man to make the trio of legit 1,2,3 for our top two pairings. this would give the ones that need more time to develop exactly that. I will be not watching the draft from picks 8-10 as it mind boggling that Det, Wash, and Stl are drafting ahead of us. There have been many Canucks teams that had a ton of defensive depth. The 2011 team had 5 top 4 D. During the Naslund Bertuzzi years we had atone of depth on D with Jovo, Sopel, Aucoin, Ohlund, Hedican we had so much depth Aucoin was expendable, he scored 23 goals in 1999. It wasn't until Mike Gillis did we see a sharp decline in the defensive depth. We nowhere near the team those teams were on D depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: There have been many Canucks teams that had a ton of defensive depth. The 2011 team had 5 top 4 D. During the Naslund Bertuzzi years we had atone of depth on D with Jovo, Sopel, Aucoin, Ohlund, Hedican we had so much depth Aucoin was expendable, he scored 23 goals in 1999. It wasn't until Mike Gillis did we see a sharp decline in the defensive depth. We nowhere near the team those teams were on D depth. Tanev & Hamhuis were both acquired by Gillis. Hell, even Ben Hutton (drafted when Gillis was GM) is still in the playoffs right now with Vegas. Edited May 6 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Tanev & Hamhuis were both acquired by Gillis. When we were competitive. Then he sold every d depth pick we had chasing a ghost. Forgot we traded Bryan McCabe in the Sedin deal as well. We had expendable depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: When we were competitive. Then he sold every d depth pick we had chasing a ghost. Forgot we traded Bryan McCabe in the Sedin deal as well. We had expendable depth. Burke traded McCabe. Jim Benning let guys like Edler, Tanev & Hamhuis go for NOTHING (heck, even depth defenseman Hutton). Gillis wasn't charged with rebuidling. Jim Benning was. What depth do we have under Jim Benning's 7 years? Edited May 6 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Burke traded McCabe. Jim Benning let guys like Edler, Tanev & Hamhuis go for NOTHING (heck, even depth defenseman Hutton). Gillis wasn't charged with rebuidling. Jim Benning was. What depth do we have under Jim Benning's 7 years? All true, but the downward decline started with Gillis selling out. But you're right, Benning was worse. The point is we've had a few teams that had strong defensive depth, certainly not never. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Pure961089 said: All true, but the downward decline started with Gillis selling out. But you're right, Benning was worse. The point is we've had a few teams that had strong defensive depth, certainly not never. The good thing is NEITHER is GM of the club anymore. They were given enough time (imho). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) Bob McKenzie's new top 12. Interesting to see who's not on the list. https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1654511088455630857?s=20 Edited May 6 by Pure961089 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 11 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Bob McKenzie's new top 12. Interesting to see who's not on the list. https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1654511088455630857?s=20 Honestly pretty happy with any of those players or ASP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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