Pure961089 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) I wish the Canucks scouting staff drafted better. I'm not sold on Harvey, I take a look at Buffalo they can't stop hitting with their picks. Our 1st rounders pan out 50/50. Just look at their drafting the last few years. They're Stacked at Defence and Centre. And those picks of their's could have been ours. Like Ostlund and Kulich last year, they picked after us and though still early Kulich looks like a star. Both their picks look like great hits. Throughout their lineup they've stocked up on picks that are positionally vital. We took Lekkerimaki despite the fact we desperately needed more centre depth, and who knows he might turn into a nice piece but our scouting needs to broaden their horizons. Kulich played against men as well that year but if feels like we don't scout outside of Sweden. Edited June 20 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smithers joe Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 39 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: on 650? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, SniperSingh said: Buffalo hasn't drafted lower than #9 since 2015, and had two first overalls and one 2nd overall in that time. Buffalo has missed once (badly) on a high pick, Alex Nylander at #8, we missed twice with Juolevi and Virtanen, and I would argue Juolevi could have been more had he not been injured so much (ie not a big miss, and a potential 'decent' NHL'er). https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005054.html Beyond the first round Buffalo has not been very good. And for us, we've had too excellent top 10 picks (Petey and Hughes), and one maybe in Podz. I think the issue here is Buffalo has kept their first rounders and yes selected well, but we keep moving them out, But in terms of being "better", it seems they've just had very high picks and use them. In 2021 our first pick was #41 - Klimovich, who looks to have promise In 2020 our first pick was #82 Jurmo - potential but who knows I would argue its too early to call on Lekkeriamiaki given his mono, concussion then other injuries. He had a star like playoff and scored 15 pts in 15 games against men when he was finally "normal" again. He's clearly got talent. But, evaluating players outside the NHL before they've played 3-4 years in the NHL is pointless. Players can often star in other leagues and never play a season in the NHL. Too early to judge and unfair at this stage. Well that's part of he complaint, the Canucks throw away draft picks like candy, and Buffalo has had a few homeruns in the late first rounds but they've stock piled picks because that organization places more importance in their picks. They've had multiple 1st rounders the last few years. Tage Thompson developed slowly and he was a late first rounder but that's because Buffalo haven't rushed their prospects like we have. Kulich was drafted #28th overall and that was their second 1st rounder last year. But then again they're doing a proper rebuild and will certainly win a cup before we do. And it's largely due to our hit and miss drafting. We do the opposite of Buffalo, we scratch and claw for every meaningless point we can find when the games don't matter. The Canucks have 2 stars they've drafted in the last decade. You'd think with how bad this team has been we would have more to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Pure961089 said: At 11 I really like Willander, Moore and Danielson. We get a player we need and a very talented one at that. When discussing Danielson I've heard comparisons to Brandon Sutter but a simple eye test shows how much better he is in just raw talent. Sutter when healthy is a very good 3C but watching more of Danielson you'll notice he's vastly faster in both speed, excelleration and seperation and it's not close. Sutter is notably far slower in every aspect of his skating compared to Danielson. Also he has one of the best hands in the draft. He can stick-handle, toe-drag and deke his way through traffic far better than Sutter. My assessment was Daniel's floor as a 3C but now I see him right up there with Moore and Dvorsky. Skates like the wind, terrific shot. RH center. Big, responsible and he has that toe drag move down pat. I would not be disappointed with him at 11. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 22 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Tage Thompson wasn't drafted by them, and Kulich had a great rookie year as a 19 year old in the AHL, but again, nothing proven yet in the NHL (but I can't argue his numbers are stellar for a late first who's 19 and playing in the second toughest hockey league). The problem is we keep throwing away picks for bandaid solutions in the hopes we can rebuild faster and then we're stuck in the vicious circle of mediocrity. I don't really understand how the Canucks don't seem to realize players make it to the NHL faster now, and those ELC's are key. If you load up on picks, you can rebuild within 2-3 years, because the NHL is getting younger and younger and players make the jump faster (particularly high picks). They seem stuck in the 80's where players take 3 years in the AHL, then start on the 4th line and 'work their way up' even if they are scorers, so they think those picks don't matter. Well St Louis gave up on him far too quickly and it was Buffalo that developed him. The key word here is patience. One team has it, the other doesn't. I hope the new management group can turn things around. The player development staff has vastly improved. We'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, Pure961089 said: I was very high on Snuggerud last year. Thought he would have been the perfect fit for the Canucks. I guess Lekkerimaki was an opportunity they couldn't pass on. It kinda hurts to see clips like this. Stramel could be a sleeper this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 19 hours ago, Tank4Bedard said: Thoughts on Quentin Musty ? 18 hours ago, hammertime said: Love a playmaker pwf. I mean that's what you really want from a pwf a guy who draws defenders and dishes leaving snipers with all the time and space. His IQ is great his sauce needs work lots of passes miss the mark that being said he creates a ton of opportunities. Skating needs work but he's super young. I always ask myself when skating isn't a kids strong suit not will he be the next Bo and suddenly become a burner but instead is he smart enough to make it work if he only picks up a step or 2? I think he is. I dunno about pick 11 but I really like Musty as a prospect as much as I like a guy like Dvorsky. There's huge upside on display or at the very least you get a great 3rd liner. 15-20 I'm a Musty fan. After watching more video I'm coming around a little more on Musty. Earlier in the year I was unimpressed, but it looks like his skating & effort level has improved a bit. Still inconsistent in his effort even within the same shift, but when he wants to make a play or apply pressure he shows that he's capable. Defensive game will definitely need some development. And seems like he needs to get stronger still (despite being 200lbs already), he gets pushed off pucks he shouldn't but I think that'll come with age. He has a really good offensive mind both with the puck creating time/finding passes & sneaking into shooting areas off puck. He's going to take development but outside the top 15 I think you'd be happy getting a chance to work with him. I see him a complementary top 6 wing that could work really well with a good centerman, not really a typical PWF but his size will be an advantage & there'll prob be flashes that leave you wanting imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, smithers joe said: on 650? 1040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 20 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: It's not impossible, but I'd say very unlikely. Let's break it down: the players who will absolutely without question be gone by 11 are Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, and honestly I think that might be it. It's pretty wide open after that, but I'd be very surprised if any of Leonard, Dvorsky, Benson, Reinbacher are on the board for the Canucks' pick. Personally I'd be ecstatic if either Dvorsky or Leonard are there, but I'm not holding my breath. My opinions of different prospects change on a weekly basis. I have an opinion then watch more clips and game tape and my opinion changes. As highly touted as Leonard and Benson are though I don't think the way the Canucks are set up they would flourish. We have Podkolzin we're still developing, he's a lot further along in his development than Leonard is, unless Leonard can play centre I don't see a fit. And I like Benson a lot and he would probably be the bpa if available but I'm not sure the Canucks would take him. I like Dvorsky's size but not so much his skating. Plays well against his peers but struggles in the Allsvenskin. So there's question marks there. I see a more clear trajectory with Moore and Danielson to reach 2nd line potential. Dvorsky's rock bottom is 3C but he'll need to refine his offence to reach 2C potential, but he's a project he could probably slide right in as a 3C but is that all you'll get? I like ASP too but will he thrive without #1 powerplay time? I want all the defence and centres available but I'd be happy with Reinbacher, Moore, Danielson and Willander in that order. The Canucks will leave with one of these hopefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Im actually warming up to the idea of drafting Simashev. 6'4, excellent skater, plays with an edge, very smart defender and has some crafty moves in the offensive zone. Haven't seen him load up a slapshot, his shot looks to be weak as well, but I wouldn't hate this pick at all. If we get one of Wood Simashev Reinbacher Leonard Maybe even Willander I'll be happy with any of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) You want a fun fact? Since 2013 the Canucks have selected (6) 2nd round picks. From 2013-2023 Demko Lind Gadjovich Woo Hoglander Klimovich Buffalo's 2nd round picks since 2013? 17 (including two 2nd rnd picks in this years draft) Just food for thought. And you wonder why it feels like the Canucks are always treading water. This is why. Just imagine if the Canucks accumulated draft picks like this. Edited June 21 by Pure961089 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 15 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Michkov is a crazy talent, even at 5'10" 150. There are concerns though, what happened to his father and he won't talk to anyone (interviews etc). It's like picking between Door #1 and Door #2. What will Michkov do in the NHL? Is there too much risk? Thoughts on selecting Simashev over Michkov, if it came to that? I wouldn't be surprised if Michcov drops in part due to the presumably nefarious nature surrounding his father's death. There is potentially unwanted baggage there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) Would you? Trade 11th oa pick to Detroit for their 17 (our previous pick) and 24 years old and 6'06 tall Centre Michael Rasmussen ? Edited June 21 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 8 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Would you? Trade 11th oa pick to Detroit for their 17 (our previous pick) and 24 years old and 6'06 tall Centre Michael Rasmussen ? Zero chance Detroit does that. Zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: You want a fun fact? Since 2013 the Canucks have selected (6) 2nd round picks. From 2013-2023 Demko Lind Gadjovich Woo Hoglander Klimovich Buffalo's 2nd round picks since 2013? 17 (including two 2nd rnd picks in this years draft) Just food for thought. And you wonder why it feels like the Canucks are always treading water. This is why. Just imagine if the Canucks accumulated draft picks like this. We might be the worst team in the entire league over that stretch. Like Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, McBackup said: We might be the worst team in the entire league over that stretch. Like Buffalo. Not for long. I think the Canucks will improve but the Sabers are building a contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Just now, Pure961089 said: Not for long. I think the Canucks will improve but the Sabers are building a contender. Yeah I would have thought so too but they've been saying that about Buffalo for years and years now. If there's one thing I've learned over the past decade of Canucks ineptitude, its that there isn't a linear, step-by-step, paint-by-numbers, guaranteed method of doing a rebuild. Vancouver still has the two best players under 25 on either roster without accumulating the horde of high picks Buffalo has. I agree that Vancouver should have tried to acquire more picks, but I think its other factors that left this team spinning it's wheels in the mud. I don't necessarily think that if the Canucks just cast off assets in favour of picks that we would be in a better position overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 21 Popular Post Share Posted June 21 (edited) Trading the 11th pick (to move down) is a ridiculous proposition; especially after an OEL buyout which has given us so much of our leverage back. At this point, I hope to God that any talk about trading down is just to fill airtime. We're blessed with the 11th pick, in a draft with so many choices projected to go exactly in our range. Take your guy and run... Edited June 21 by Herberts Vasiljevs 4 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Trading the 11th pick (to move down) is a ridiculous proposition; especially after an OEL buyout which has given us so much of our leverage back. At this point, I hope to God that any talk about trading down is just to fill airtime. We're blessed with the 11th pick, in a draft with so many choices projected to go exactly in our range. Take your guy and run... Like any trade it depends on the package. If for example there is a player the team is really high on that will still be there if they trade back, and Canucks are able to ship out 11 with one of our myriad of expendable wingers in exchange for a later first, an additional pick and a serviceable defenceman, I think thats a deal they absolutely have to consider. I understand the appeal of the prospect and was on the "rebuild" train. However management has made it clear they intend to push all their chips in and improve the team as it is, rather than take a step back to take two forwards, so if that is your MO, this kind of deal makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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