Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: I’ll take the dark horse candidate stillman Do you still believe in Tryamkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 37 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: weird to go back and see the detroit red wings forum all their fans absolutely slamming hronek calling him a bottom pair d-man, bad defensively etc etc. they talk about him like we talk about tyler myers hope theyre proven wrong Did you notice how our fans described Horvat once he left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, spook007 said: Did you notice how our fans described Horvat once he left? Yea.. but more so the stuff I’m reading from 2022, before he was traded to us there was even a guy there saying Detroit should give us Hronek and take boeser back 1 for 1 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 7 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Do you still believe in Tryamkin? My brother in Stillman I don’t believe in anyone other than Loui Eriksson and Riley Stillman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, eeeeergh said: Yea.. but more so the stuff I’m reading from 2022, before he was traded to us there was even a guy there saying Detroit should give us Hronek and take boeser back 1 for 1 lol Well that doesn't sound too good. Lets see how it goes. Folk were pissing all over Edler for years... and wanted to trade Tanev.... Even KB3 had a lot of haters. I think we ought to wait and see, what he actually does before passing judgement. I think (or at less hope) management has done a better pro scouting of the player, than Benning did in his wisdom with Guddy and Schmidt... 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Why do you keep mentioning Seider's size? Isn't Hronek bigger than Cale Makar and Adam Fox? Didn't Colorado win the cup with Cale Makar and Devon Toews as their top pairing? We don't need our puck carrying Dmen to be 6'4" 210 pounds. Hughes is also smaller than Hronek. We can surround our guys with the bigger defensive Dmen, which is exactly what Allvin is going to do and exactly why we bought out OEL. Again, I am not saying that Hronek is going to be better than Seider, but really, at the end of day we got our guy that we wanted for a couple of draft picks. Craig Button calls Filip Hronek a top pairing Dman, so it doesn't really matter what Seider does moving forward to be totally honest... Well according to the those average d- men sizings of the 2 cup finalists, all top six d- men averaged over 6 feet and over 200lb's. Seider is 3 years you younger, in a sport where you get 10 maybe 15 years out of your best players those 3 years constitute 20 percent of a players career maximum. Seider will only get better and be in his prime in ten years, 30 years old, Hronek who has injury History already, will be 35 in 10 years. For someone who states a player,Seider has something to prove, I am not sure we have got our guy, Hronek has a lot to prove next season. So because one analyst states something that makes it true ? I can't believe you are even arguing about this. Any GM that would choose Hronek over Seider in that particular trade scenario should be fired on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Well according to the those average d- men sizings of the 2 cup finalists, all top six d- men averaged over 6 feet and over 200lb's. Seider is 3 years you younger, in a sport where you get 10 maybe 15 years out of your best players those 3 years constitute 20 percent of a players career maximum. Seider will only get better and be in his prime in ten years, 30 years old, Hronek who has injury History already, will be 35 in 10 years. For someone who states a player,Seider has something to prove, I am not sure we have got our guy, Hronek has a lot to prove next season. So because one analyst states something that makes it true ? I can't believe you are even arguing about this. Any GM that would choose Hronek over Seider in that particular trade scenario should be fired on the spot. So, basically what you are saying is that we should be trading Hughes? He doesn't fit the Vegas profile of Dmen does he? I'm pretty sure you can win a cup with Hughes, Colorado won a cup with Makar. The problem with our defence is we had too many small guys and not enough beef. We are fine with Hughes and Hronek as long as they are surrounded with big mobile, defensive Dmen. I never said I'd take Hronek over Seider, I said Seider hasn't proven anything yet and you are hyping up all of his potential that hasn't happened yet. Craig Button knows more about scouting than most, so I take what he says quite seriously. You seem to be trying to downplay Hronek and his abilities just as much as you are accusing me of doing the same with Seider to be totally honest with you. I am happy that we have Hronek. I think we did well on that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So, basically what you are saying is that we should be trading Hughes? He doesn't fit the Vegas profile of Dmen does he? I'm pretty sure you can win a cup with Hughes, Colorado won a cup with Makar. The problem with our defence is we had too many small guys and not enough beef. We are fine with Hughes and Hronek as long as they are surrounded with big mobile, defensive Dmen. I never said I'd take Hronek over Seider, I said Seider hasn't proven anything yet and you are hyping up all of his potential that hasn't happened yet. Craig Button knows more about scouting than most, so I take what he says quite seriously. You seem to be trying to downplay Hronek and his abilities just as much as you are accusing me of doing the same with Seider to be totally honest with you. I am happy that we have Hronek. I think we did well on that trade. Where did I even mention Hughes ? Your arguments are devolving into the non sensical. A fifty point first season as a 21 year old old in his first season isn't proving anything ? Followed by a 42 point season in his second year ? You talk about proving something, Hronek has to prove he can do the most important thing any Employer expects from his employee, come to work every day that his employer pays him to. What I have stated all along, in reply to Alfs nonsense about slo- mo is that given the choice I, as would any GM in the NHL with a brain would choose Seider over Hronek in that trade scenario. Please don't try and twist my words to fit your agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 41 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: My brother in Stillman I don’t believe in anyone other than Loui Eriksson and Riley Stillman What about brother chaput and brother megna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Sorry guys, I have to bring this up every year. It's too F'ing funny. Don’t be sorry haha it should be tradition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 minutes ago, R3aL said: Don’t be sorry haha it should be tradition Just a reminder that we are all nerds here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 28 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Where did I even mention Hughes ? Your arguments are devolving into the non sensical. A fifty point first season as a 21 year old old in his first season isn't proving anything ? Followed by a 42 point season in his second year ? You talk about proving something, Hronek has to prove he can do the most important thing any Employer expects from his employee, come to work every day that his employer pays him to. What I have stated all along, in reply to Alfs nonsense about slo- mo is that given the choice I, as would any GM in the NHL with a brain would choose Seider over Hronek in that trade scenario. Please don't try and twist my words to fit your agenda. My arguments are fine. I never twisted any of your words. Seider had a good first campaign. He won the Calder. So did Tyler Myers. He actually regressed last year. You keep mentioning that Hronek hasn't played a full season, which is false. He played the entire 2020-2021 season, which was 56 games. So, you are the one spreading misinformation to try and justify your argument that Hronek doesn't show up for work. The guy literally was run over by Ryan Reaves this year and didn't even miss a game. No concussion, nothing. He is as tough as they come. His first year in the NHL he split his season with Detroit and with the AHL team. So not even sure he missed a game that season either. His injury report doesn't show he was injured in his first season, so he probably sat out a handful of games as a rookie. His second season was the COVID year, and he was on injured reserve for a whole week. 3rd year he played all 56 games in the shortened season. Last year he was out a whole week as well. So, he was injured for two whole weeks out of 4 years, but you are claiming he doesn't show up for work and is somehow injury prone. Not sure why you keep bashing one of our players for no reason other than to justify your argument that Seider is the better player. I really don't care to be honest with you and you are much better than that as a poster my friend... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: My arguments are fine. I never twisted any of your words. Seider had a good first campaign. He won the Calder. So did Tyler Myers. He actually regressed last year. You keep mentioning that Hronek hasn't played a full season, which is false. He played the entire 2020-2021 season, which was 56 games. So, you are the one spreading misinformation to try and justify your argument that Hronek doesn't show up for work. The guy literally was run over by Ryan Reaves this year and didn't even miss a game. No concussion, nothing. He is as tough as they come. His first year in the NHL he split his season with Detroit and with the AHL team. So not even sure he missed a game that season either. His injury report doesn't show he was injured in his first season, so he probably sat out a handful of games as a rookie. His second season was the COVID year, and he was on injured reserve for a whole week. 3rd year he played all 56 games in the shortened season. Last year he was out a whole week as well. So, he was injured for two whole weeks out of 4 years, but you are claiming he doesn't show up for work and is somehow injury prone. Not sure why you keep bashing one of our players for no reason other than to justify your argument that Seider is the better player. I really don't care to be honest with you and you are much better than that as a poster my friend... I am not trying to bash Hronek, I was just going from his stats on hockey DB. I will admit I forgot about the covid shortened seasons however the fact is Seider has played all 82 games of the last 2 seasons and Hronek hasn't. That stat alone is impressive, I wonder how many players in the league have played all 82 games in the past 2 seasons. I will admit I was not a fan of this trade, I felt and still do that we rushed into a decision that we could have made on draft day instead of trading for an injured player at the deadline when we weren't even in the playoff discussion. This whole conversation has veered from the point I was making in response to Alfs derogatory comments about Mo. I am asking you straight out, if you had to make the call between Hronek and Seider in that trade scenario who would you choose ? I would choose Seider for the reasons I listed, he is 22 years old, 6' 3" 200lbs and and has already produced more points in each season he has played than Hronek has in that time. You talk about surrounding Hughes with big players, Brother there is a big skilled player right there. As an aside I hope that Filip, first off, gets over his injury and returns to full health, then helps our team have more success this season than we did last season. I love the Canucks as much as any fan however I am a believer in reality, and a team doesn't go from a bottom feeder to a cup contender in a year or 2. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 57 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I am not trying to bash Hronek, I was just going from his stats on hockey DB. I will admit I forgot about the covid shortened seasons however the fact is Seider has played all 82 games of the last 2 seasons and Hronek hasn't. That stat alone is impressive, I wonder how many players in the league have played all 82 games in the past 2 seasons. I will admit I was not a fan of this trade, I felt and still do that we rushed into a decision that we could have made on draft day instead of trading for an injured player at the deadline when we weren't even in the playoff discussion. This whole conversation has veered from the point I was making in response to Alfs derogatory comments about Mo. I am asking you straight out, if you had to make the call between Hronek and Seider in that trade scenario who would you choose ? I would choose Seider for the reasons I listed, he is 22 years old, 6' 3" 200lbs and and has already produced more points in each season he has played than Hronek has in that time. You talk about surrounding Hughes with big players, Brother there is a big skilled player right there. As an aside I hope that Filip, first off, gets over his injury and returns to full health, then helps our team have more success this season than we did last season. I love the Canucks as much as any fan however I am a believer in reality, and a team doesn't go from a bottom feeder to a cup contender in a year or 2. Great points my friend. That's the Ilunga I know and respect. Okay, if I had to make a choice between the two, I would take Seider because he has more room to grow and more potential to be a #1 Dman. That is not to disrespect Hronek at all, as he is also a top 4 Dman and could very well be a top pairing guy as well. However, in order to get Seider he would have cost alot more than a couple of picks. So, I am very happy with this trade as we finally have a legit top 4 RHD on the team who is still only 25 and we got him at a good price IMO. Now we just have to find a partner for him and Hughes. Wouldn't it be funny if Detroit actually drafted ASP? We should make a little side bet on that. Just a fun bet. It would be kinda funny though if they did. That would kinda prove they are looking to replace Hronek... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 22 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Great points my friend. That's the Ilunga I know and respect. Okay, if I had to make a choice between the two, I would take Seider because he has more room to grow and more potential to be a #1 Dman. That is not to disrespect Hronek at all, as he is also a top 4 Dman and could very well be a top pairing guy as well. However, in order to get Seider he would have cost alot more than a couple of picks. So, I am very happy with this trade as we finally have a legit top 4 RHD on the team who is still only 25 and we got him at a good price IMO. Now we just have to find a partner for him and Hughes. Wouldn't it be funny if Detroit actually drafted ASP? We should make a little side bet on that. Just a fun bet. It would be kinda funny though if they did. That would kinda prove they are looking to replace Hronek... I have put days of time into researching this draft, I have been focused on what I believe the players will achieve in the future rather than what team will pick what player. Player position is a really important factor as we know, RHD, centres, especially RHC are valuable commodities however talent, IQ and work ethic are the real metrics for me. Apart from the first five or so picks the rankings are all over the place. Detroit have 2 picks in the first round, this gives them the chance to grab a centre and D both of whom will be great prospects. Personally I believe the quality of the forwards is better in the top 10 than any D- man available and I am not totally sold on ASP, I would take Reinbacher or Willander before him and Gulyayev as a pure puck moving D- man offensive D- man and his skating is probably the best amongst the D. The Russian factor means he will drop way lower than if he was a North American player. Who knows with Stevie Y, I don't have the confidence to bet who he will pick however I agree with you that if he does pick ASP, that he is replacing Hronek with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 7 hours ago, eeeeergh said: weird to go back and see the detroit red wings forum all their fans absolutely slamming hronek calling him a bottom pair d-man, bad defensively etc etc. they talk about him like we talk about tyler myers hope theyre proven wrong I mean they would have seen a lot more of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 48 minutes ago, hammertime said: I mean they would have seen a lot more of him. Hronek was Detroit’s best d. That’s fact. He will be our second best d because we have Hughes. And it’s absolute fact that Detroit was doing good with Hronek playing and then fell off a cliff without him. It was such a huge fall in the club’s play that Yzermsn, in his post season presser, took responsibility for any mistakes made that caused the fall. Hronek is our 2D but on Detroit he was their 1D. Them’s the facts. Read ‘em. Understand them. Accept them. Benning is gone. We have competent management again. They have a clear plan. Hronek is a 25 year old elite right shot D who completes our core. Great trade for us and a mistake by Yzerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Have a feeling MTL is grabbing Reinbacher at #5 DET could take Willander or ASP at #9 and VAN could be choosing between Dvorsky, Danielson or Simashev I would be very happy with any one of them 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 The 11O/A and JT Miller for the 3rd OA and a cap dump player. that’s fair value and JT Miller is from Ohio… and a First Line Center who is Uber competitive. He is going home and we are adding Leo Carlson. that’s the big play…. That’s what I think the Nucks and Alvin are seeking to make happen. Then sign Barbeshev or Ryan O Reilly to shelter Carlson until he takes over the Second Line. If the Cap dump from CBJ is a defender, we have solved another problem with added depth. with the remaining cap, sign a big Winger and fill out the D Corps with solid 5/6 guys who can fill in until our Youth are tested and we see what they have in the NHL. Woo Too! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3nny Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Hronek was Detroit’s best d. That’s fact. He will be our second best d because we have Hughes. And it’s absolute fact that Detroit was doing good with Hronek playing and then fell off a cliff without him. It was such a huge fall in the club’s play that Yzermsn, in his post season presser, took responsibility for any mistakes made that caused the fall. Hronek is our 2D but on Detroit he was their 1D. Them’s the facts. Read ‘em. Understand them. Accept them. Benning is gone. We have competent management again. They have a clear plan. Hronek is a 25 year old elite right shot D who completes our core. Great trade for us and a mistake by Yzerman. Interesting you use the word fact. Which player is your best defensemen? Is it the one who has more time on ice in all situations of EV strength, PP, and SH? More shots per game? More PP points? More hits? More blocks? More points a game? And even a better plus minus rate? Because Seider wins every single one of those categories when statistically compared to Hronek the last 3 yrs. This puts Seider at a disadvantage as he only has two seasons in the NHL, and one of those as a rookie. Seider plays tougher competition with harder zone starts. He is there #1 D, and it’s not debatable, either with eye test or with “facts.” Have a look for yourself below. Edited June 23 by Sp3nny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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