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There are reports suggesting Anaheim is higher on Carlsson than Fantilli. Could see Fantilli slip to 3rd OA.

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Just now, Odd. said:

Our best shot at moving up has to be Columbus’s 3rd OA pick.

 

Miller would be going the other way though.

 

I think Philly.

 

Moving up to #3 is going to be so so expensive, I just can't see it, CBJ would be crazy to trade Carlsson for a package around Miller unless it's rly loaded, imo

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10 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I think Philly.

 

Moving up to #3 is going to be so so expensive, I just can't see it, CBJ would be crazy to trade Carlsson for a package around Miller unless it's rly loaded, imo

Yeah I can't wrap my head around Columbus trading their pick. It just doesn't make any sense for them.

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16 hours ago, KoreanHockeyFan said:

To CLB:

Miller

11th Overall Pick

 

To VAN:

3rd Overall Pick (Carlsson)

Bean or Peeke

 

Throw in Hoglander or Rathbone as a sweetener if needed. 

Hoglander and Rathbone are not the same player. Bone could be thrown in as a sweetner, but hoglander would be an overpayment 

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5 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Yeah I can't wrap my head around Columbus trading their pick. It just doesn't make any sense for them.

I agree it makes absolutely zero sense. They'll be getting the #1 Center they need at #3 ready to insert in the line-up in the next year or two at most.

 

  

1 minute ago, Seannnp said:

Hoglander and Rathbone are not the same player. Bone could be thrown in as a sweetner, but hoglander would be an overpayment 

Different players for sure Rathbone has little value ... I think Hoglander gets it closer but it's not an overpayment imo. Slightly under if that.

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14 hours ago, canuckwings said:

I still think Yzerman will take a forward at 8th  if someone like Benson or Leonard is there. He can draft his D with his second first round pick at 17th. But we'll see what actually happens. 

I think he does the opposite. Not alot of top end defense prospects, especially ones that skate and move the puck like ASP. 

 

I think ASP at 9 and a center like Yager/Barlow/Moore etc at 17 depending on whos left. . 

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18 hours ago, Hamhuis2 said:

Hi all,

 

Below are my final rankings for the 1st round of the 2023 draft.

 

It is a good year to have a top-20 pick, with a number of projectable difference-makers. The first round has a few more boom-or-bust prospects than usual, and honestly the grouping from 6-20 could go any way. This is not a mock draft, but if you do have any questions on where I think certain guys end up, let me know!

 

Brief stylistic comparisons and projections included here:

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2023 1st Round Draft Rankings

Player - Position - Potential - Point Projection - Stylistic Comparable - Notes

 

1. Bedard - C - Top-5 player - 100+ points - Joe Sakic mixed with Patty Kane - Dynamic sniper, sneaky edgework, elite skill.

 

2. Michkov - RW - Top-5 goalscoer - 100+ points - Nikita Kucherov - Intelligent, high-skilled player who excels at darting into space in the offensive zone. Can score from anywhere. Potential 50 goal scorer.

 

3. Fantilli - C - Top-10 centre - 90+ points - Jonathan Toews - High-end physical tools + aggressive + solid hockey sense.

 

4. Carlsson - C/LW - Top-10 centre - 90+ points - Filip Forsberg - High degree of drive + skill. Uses his body to protect the puck very well. I do think he will be a C in the NHL.

 

5. Smith - C - #1 centre - 80+ points - Trevor Zegras - Creative, controls the pace of the game, which can sometimes cause him to look slow.  Can lack on defensive effort, but is an offensive wizard.

 

6. Benson - LW/RW - Play-driving 1st line winger - 80+ points - Brayden Point - Workhorse with high-end skill. Above average straight-line speed, but elite edges. Small, but tenacious.

 

7. Leonard - RW/C - Complementary 1st line winer - 70 points - Zach Parise - Elite motor, high-end shot and puck skills. Good two-way player who plays like a smaller power forward.

 

8. Reinbacher - RD - #2-3 defenceman - 40 points -  Alex Pietrangelo - Above-average puck skills. Very good distance passer and decision maker. Above average skater with room to improve pivots. Great reach and overall defensive play.

 

9. Simashev - LD - #2-3 shutdown defenceman - 25 points - K'Andre Miller - Big shutdown defenceman with a good stick, above average skating & physicality, and some offensive upside. Potential the best defensive player in the draft.

 

10. Dvorsky - C - High-end #2 centre - 60 points - Bo Horvat - Advanced defensive game, great shot, but needs time to get it off. Above average puck skills. Heavy feet, but ok speed once he gets going.

 

11.  Moore - C - High-end #2 centre - 60 points - Dylan Larkin - Best skater in the draft, with a willingness to play inside the dots. Good puck skills and passing. Above average hockey IQ.

 

12. Barlow - LW - 1st/2nd line power forward - 60 points - Mason McTavish - High-end shot and physical tools. Plays a direct game with above-average skating. Above-average hockey IQ, but probably won't be the primary creator on his line.

 

13. Wood - LW - 1st line power forward or bust - 75+ points or bust - Jason Robertson - High-end tools, including shot, size, and puck skills. Incredibly intelligent player. Below-average acceleration and average top speed. Skating could limit his upside, or he could become the next Jason Robertson.

 

14. Willander - RD - #3-4 two-way defenceman - 30 points - Anton Stralman - Very efficient player with good mobility, decision-making, and passing. Isn't flashy, but always seems to make the right play. Could improve his

 

15. Danielson - C - #2 two-way centre - 50 points - Anthony Cirelli - Prototypical two-way #2C. Very responsible player who is a jack of all trades. Good, but not great at everything.

 

16. Perrault - RW - Complimentary 1st line winger - 60 points - Jake Guentzel - Not the biggest or the fastest, but the hockey IQ is near the top of the class, and he has good skill.  Wide spread on this player, but he's too smart to fail.

 

17. Yager -  C/W - 2nd line sniper - 55 points - Mike Hoffman -  Great shot and good skating, but plays a bit too much on the perimeter, leading to inconsistencies in creating. Average/above-average hockey IQ.

 

18. Sandin-Pellikka - RD - Offensive #3 defenceman or bust - 50+ points - Quinn Hughes - Elite skater, including great four-way mobility. Play-driver from the backend, with good vision and passing. Typically good decision-making; prone to some lapses. Average defensively.

 

19. Honzek - C/LW - 2nd line powerforward - 50 points - Danius Zubrus - Plus size and above-average skating. Doesn't shy away from the middle of the ice, especially the front of the net. Can be inconsistent and needs to work on his defensive play.

 

20. But - LW - Top-6 power forward or bust - 50+ points or bust - Evgeni Malkin - Massive physical player with good puck skills and a hard, but inaccurate shot. He's very raw, and has an awkward stride that doesn't generate much power, leading to poor acceleration but decent top speed. Honestly could go anywhere from 10-50.

 

21. Cristell - LW - Complementary 1st line winger or bust - 75+ points or bust - Claude Giroux - Elite puck skills, highly creative. Fantastic passer with a great shot. One of the best players in the offensive zone, though he can force plays. Good edges but average separation and top speed.

 

22. Brindley - RW - 2nd line pest - 50 points - Brad Marchand - Tenacious player with a high-end motor and good puck skills. Great at puck retrievals and keeping plays alive in the offensive zone.

 

23. Stenburg - C - #2 two-way centre - 50+ points - Philip Danault - Good two-way player with above-average skating and hands. Likes the puck on his stick and excels in transition. Plus shot from range.

 

24. Heidt - LW/C - 2nd line playmaker - 55 points - Nick Schmaltz - Great passer and playdriver from the centre or wing. Good mobility, especially carrying the puck in transition. He has high-end hockey IQ, and should play C at the next level. Despite low goal totals, he is a good one-timer option on the PP.

 

25. Musty - LW - Top-6 playmaker or bust - 55+ points or bust - Benoit Pouliot - Above-average individual skill, creativity, and vision. Struggles with inconsistency, physicality, and skating - especially his acceleration.

 

26. Ritchie - C - #2 two-way centre - 50 points - Ryan O'Reilly - Above average in everything except average skating.

 

27. Sale - RW - 1st line offensive winger or bust - 65+ points or bust - Taylor Hall - Great individual puck skills and speed. More of a playmaker, but has a good shot - needs to use it more. Very inconsistent - can disappear for games at a time and then look like the best player on the ice.

 

28. Gulyayev - LD - #4 offensive defenceman or PP specialist - 50+ points - Tyson Barrie - Elite skater with high-end offensive tools, including stickhandling and passing in the offensive zone. Loves to join the rush, and can get back due to his elite speed. In-zone defending and strength need improvement.

 

29. Sawchyn - C -  Middle-six energy forward - 45 points - JG Pageau - High-end motor and good passing, especially in tight spaces. He's a tenacious forechecker who can play higher in the lineup due to his hockey IQ and good skill base, though may be limited by his size.

 

30. Lindstein - LD - #4 two-way defenceman - 30 points - Henri Jokiharju - Smooth skating defender with a big shot, but can struggle under pressure with his decision-making.

 

31. Ziemmer - RW - Top-6 power forward - 50 points - Timo Meier - Excellent at using his size to protect the puck and drive the net. Has a great shot, good IQ and passing ability, but can lack explosiveness.

 

32. Gauthier - RW - Middle-six pest - 40 points - Mike Richards - Good motor, especially on the forecheck. He is relentless, and an intelligent two-way player. Average skating and skills limit upside, but he's hard to play against.

 

 

Takeaways from my previous Spring ranking:

- I've come around on Simashev...he's right up there with Reinbacher as best D in the draft. Both could be complementary 1st pair guys (#2D), or safely carry a 2nd pair (#3D) at worst.

- Willander continues to rise. He's easily projectable as a middle-pair dman, probably a #3D, and will get drafted top-15 if not top-10. Floor is close to the other top D, but lacks upside.

- Still high on Benson. Guy screams intelligent two-way player. Whoever gets him in the late top-10 or early teens will get a steal.

- Honzek and But will go higher than I have them ranked. I like both prospects and they could be argued anywhere after 10/11/12 in my opinion.

 

Bonus: Canuck candidates (in order of how I'd pick them for the team): Benson, Simashev, Moore, Willander, Barlow, Wood.

 

Who do you want the Canucks to draft? Looking forward to the discussion!

This was great. Solid list, nice little writeups, and some decent comparisons. Regarding the bolded - this year is easily the most difficulty I've had trying to make a list since at least 2020. If we include the Russians there's upwards of 20 players I just can't imagine leaving out of my top 15. In 2020 I had about 16-18 such players. Such a strong draft class this year. Not quite in the all-time great strata with a 2003 or 2015, but definitely looks to be in the upper echelon of recent drafts.

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I see CBJ taking Smith (the American) over Fantilli, who could go to SJ

 

There is definitely a mystique about Michkov. The phenom who is careful who he talks to. I have him fairly low on my list (#11), due to the risks. But, could be Big Risk = Big Reward. What if this guy turns into a 50-goal scorer? Feels like he's going to Washington at #8. Hmm, Ovechkin wears #8.

 

I wonder if MTL will just sit at #5 and take the guy they want (Leonard)

 

Really hoping for Simashev, for some reason. The way he skates and the size, he could be a beast down the road. If they don't get him,. I'm hoping for a C (Dvorsky or Danielson)  I think any one of these players will be a good player for the Canucks one day. 

 

The left side would look real good:

 

Hughes

Simashev

Pettersson

Hirose/Rathbone

Kudryavtsev

Jurmo

 

Be great if they could also pick up (RD) Strbak or Sotheran

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I see CBJ taking Smith (the American) over Fantilli, who could go to SJ

 

There is definitely a mystique about Michkov. The phenom who is careful who he talks to. I have him fairly low on my list (#11), due to the risks. But, could be Big Risk = Big Reward. What if this guy turns into a 50-goal scorer? Feels like he's going to Washington at #8. Hmm, Ovechkin wears #8.

 

I wonder if MTL will just sit at #5 and take the guy they want (Leonard)

 

Really hoping for Simashev, for some reason. The way he skates and the size, he could be a beast down the road. If they don't get him,. I'm hoping for a C (Dvorsky or Danielson)  I think any one of these players will be a good player for the Canucks one day. 

 

The left side would look real good:

 

Hughes

Simashev

Pettersson

Hirose/Rathbone

Kudryavtsev

Jurmo

 

Be great if they could also pick up (RD) Strbak or Sotheran

 

 

Highly unlikely. Not because of their rankings, but Kekkailainen has never once picked directly out of the NTDP since Sonny Milano in 2014. Not a single pick, not even a 7th rounder. I don't know if he felt he got bad information from the staff there or what, but there are tendencies, and then there are flat out grudges.

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9 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I am not trying to bash Hronek, I was just going from his stats on hockey DB.

I will admit I forgot about the covid shortened seasons however the fact is Seider has played all 82 games of the last 2 seasons and Hronek hasn't.

That stat alone is impressive, I wonder how many players in the league have played all 82 games in the past 2 seasons.

 

I will admit I was not a fan of this trade, I felt and still do that we rushed into a decision that we could have made on draft day instead of trading for an injured player at the deadline when we weren't even in the playoff discussion.

 

This whole conversation has veered from the point I was making in response to Alfs derogatory comments about Mo.

 

I am asking you straight out, if you had to make the call between Hronek and Seider in that trade scenario who would you choose ? 

 

I would choose Seider for the reasons I listed, he is 22 years old, 6' 3" 200lbs and and has already produced more points in each season he has played than Hronek has in that time.

You talk about surrounding Hughes with big players, Brother there is a big skilled player right there. 

 

As an aside I hope that Filip, first off, gets over his injury and returns to full health, then helps our team have more success this season than we did last season.

 

I love the Canucks as much as any fan however I am a believer in reality, and a team doesn't go from a bottom feeder to a cup contender in a year or 2.

Agreed with this, and I will continue to stand by that the timing of the trade was not right, and giving up the extra second pick in this year's draft hurts. 

 

Hronek is a good D, but I don't think he's elite. I don't understand why the word keeps getting thrown around to describe players on the Canucks roster. I understand we love our team but let's try to be a bit more objective here. 

 

I'm having all these doubts about Hronek mainly because I don't think Yzerman is an idiot. The narrative that we 'stole' his number 1 D is ridiculous. He had his reasons to move Hronek, whether it's because he didn't want to pay his next contract, or he feels he's not a fit to his team long term. 

 

I hope Hronek pans out, but it's way too early to say until we see a full season of him with the Canucks (and if he actually stays healthy).  

 

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Based on B Mac's list. https://www.tsn.ca/intrigue-and-excitement-in-the-year-of-connor-bedard-at-the-nhl-draft-1.1976262

 

The players who look the most attractive to me are. 

 

11OA  Need16 Danielson or 19 Simashev

75OA  81 Luca Pinelli or 82 Tristian Bertucci still crossed fingers for 71 Pekarcik

89OA  HM Alexander Rykov there are a bunch of guys close though that 80-96 is fire I would be thrilled with any of them. 

 

Picks 105, 107, Ian Clarke 119? 171 Mystery Box.

There are some really exciting players still on the board.  3 of the following would make me very happy.

 

RHD Carter Sotheran 

LHD Kristian Kostadinski

C/FWD Zeb Forsfjall

C/FWD Timur Mukhanov

LHD Arvid Bergstrom

RHD Mazden Leslie

LHD Daniil Karpovich

C/FWD Tanner Ludke

Giant Fwd Artyom Kashtanov

 

Will be interesting to see where the over agers LHD Oskar Asplund and RHD Bogdan Konyushkov go? They have performed well relative to their peers.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Yeah I can't wrap my head around Columbus trading their pick. It just doesn't make any sense for them.

Miller v. Torts would be hilarious. 

Jarmo Keikalainen is like Jim Benning-lite. Good scout that became a GM and can't get out of his own way on Jul 1. CBJ are in win-now mode. They shouldn't be. But adding Gaudeau, Severson, and Provorov in the last year is not the behavior of a team rebuilding. 

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2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

So, MTL might move down and VAN might move up? :bigblush:

Geez, who would the Canucks take at #5 if they had it?

 

Sure, they could take Michkov, but he might not even show up.

 

D - Reinbacher or Simashev?

W - Leonard or Benson?

C - Dvorsky or Danielson?

 

I take Dvorsky or Reinbacher

 

Package our later picks with Rathbone for late 1st or a 2nd and grab the opposite at that pick. Defenseman if we take Dvorsky and Center if we take Reinbacher. 

Dont feel its worth moving up  to 5 for the assets it will cost. 3OA or bust. 

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1 minute ago, BCNate said:

Craig Buttons Mock has us choosing between Willander, Dvorsky, Benson, Danielson.  Tough call out of these, but I'd go Dvosky, Benson, Willander, Danielson.

I think you mean his rankings, not his mock. This was the last time he did a mock draft, https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-button-s-mock-draft-which-players-go-after-bedard-1.1957996.

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