Odd. Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Anyone want to bet this thread hits 500 pages by Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckwings Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: From what I’ve read, Danielson is to C as Willander and Simashev are to D. Bigger bodied, very mobile, defence-first players with the only thing holding them from being surefire top 10 selections is that their offensive ceilings are questionable. Willander and Danielson are both right handed but Simashev is a true big man at 6’4 compared to 6’2. In fairness to Danielson, his team sucked so he didn’t get to play with elite line mates and if anything that’s hope towards him having another gear offensively. I think ultimately it still depends on the team's positional needs, despite the BPA philosophy that everyone preaches. If as you said Danielson is a to C as much as Willander and Simashev is to D, then I don't see why we take Danielson over the 2 Ds. We all know top Ds are very hard to come by (we paid a 1st and 2nd for Hronek), and Canucks simply haven't drafted many which is partly the reason for the deficiencies on our current blue line. Edited June 28 by canuckwings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Odd. said: Anyone want to bet this thread hits 500 pages by Friday? Maybe, we're biting at the bit for the next few seasons to get started and a big part of it potentially if we can snag a top 4 RHD prospect especially. I still stand by picking the best player available at D for this draft and the next and load up. We already have a log jam of forwards anyway. Could we go on for 500 pages? Hmmm I think "Burrows, do we really need him?" I think, has as close to 500 pages as we're ever going to get.. ask Deb about that one, I could see her blowing a gasket reading that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighOnHockey Posted June 28 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 28 (edited) Alright, I'll try finishing tomorrow, but this this may be as far as I get on my final mock. The parentheses with the personnel I expect to be most involved in making the pick were mostly just notes for myself, but I figured I'd leave them in, in case anyone is interested. 1. Chicago - Connor Bedard (Director of Amateur Scouting: Mike Doneghey) - Doesn't matter though, they're taking Bedard 2. Anaheim - Adam Fantilli (Directer of Player Evaluation: Bruce Franklin) - Again, probably wouldn't matter much who the scouts are behind the pick, Fantilli is the guy. 3. Columbus - Leo Carlsson (DAS: Ville Siren, ADAS: Trevor Timmins) - Timmins took Caufield early pretty recently, so there's some precedent for NTDP here, but Kekelainen seems to actively avoid drafting from that program. Besides, Carlsson seems to be the consensus BPA here. 4. San Jose - Will Smith (DAS: Chris Morehouse, DPP: Scott Fitzgerald) - Boston drafted incessantly out of the USHL and NTDP while Fitzgerald was there, so hard to imagine Smith falling past them here. 5. Montreal - Dalibor Dvorsky (DAS/DPP: Martin LaPointe, co-DAS: Nick Bobrov) - Maybe this is my personal bias showing, but they did take a Slovak first overall and another in the first round last year. Dvorsky feels like a Martin LaPointe kinda pick, although the same could be said for Leonard. 6. Arizona - Matthew Wood (GM: Bill Armstrong, DAS: Darryl Plandowski, ADAS: Ryan Jankowski) - These are tricky picks to predict. Between three old school Canadians at the helm, the tendencies scream CHL, but it seems a little early for any of the CHLers here. A trade-down seems likely, but if they're going to pick then Wood is my best guess, as both head scouts are based out of Western Canada, and the last two times Armstrong went outside of CHL in the first were collegiate players Logan Cooley and Tage Thompson. 7. Philadelphia - Ryan Leonard (AGM: Brent Flahr, DHO: Tom Minton) - This was the easiest decision since the first couple picks. Tom Minton has a close connection to the NTDP, Flahr has a long history drafting from the program, and the Torts-coached Flyers say they're looking for compete above all else in a draft pick. Not to mention he's the pretty clear BPA here. 8. Washington - Matvei Michkov (AGM: Ross Mahoney, DAS: Steve Bowman, DHO: Kris Wagner) All of the top guys running the draft have been there many years and had a ton of success, particularly out of Russia. 9. Detroit - David Reinbacher (DAS: Kris Draper, DES: Hakan Andersson) - They've picked overwhelmingly out of Europe with early picks since Yzerman took over. Mostly Sweden, but Seider came out of another secondary hockey market in Germany. 10. St. Louis - Colby Barlow (DAS: Tony Feltrin) - In 1999 Tony Feltrin and the Isles had three picks in the top ten and took all three out of the OHL. The Blues have also been hard after these heavy forwards lately (Snuggerud, Bolduc, Neighbors). 11. Vancouver - Tom Willander (GM: Patrik Allvin, DAS: Todd Harvey) - I have a feeling Gradin is going to be Allvin's number one guy. Looking like he hit it out of the park with another Swedish defenseman in Pettersson last year. Usually when a player skyrockets up Bob McKenzie's final ranking, they end up going even earlier on draft day. 12. Arizona - Nate Danielson - Again, the smart money is on a big forward out of Western Canada here. 13. Buffalo - Zach Benson (DAS Jerry Forton) - They have a pretty heavy core in place and went all skill with three firsts last year, including Benson's linemate Savoie at 9th overall. 14. Pittsburgh - Oliver Moore (DAS: Nick Pryor) - I mentioned before the Minnesota connection with their new head scout. Pretty good argument that Moore is BPA here, although Dubas doesn't have much of a track record drafting NTDP. 15. Nashville - Dimitri Simashev (AGM: Jeff Kealty) - Trotz said they wanna swing for the fences, well here you go. 16. Calgary - Gabe Perreault (DAS: Tod Button) - Arguably their two best picks under Button have been Adam Fox straight out of NTDP, and Matthew Tkachuk a year removed from it. Edited June 28 by HighOnHockey 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ilunga said: Dunno Brother I really believe that the talent outside of the top 4 is all over the place. Even Smith isn't a lock for top 5 talent wise IMO, and others. Arguments can be made for and against the next 15 odd players. Then the next 30 odd players, arguments can be made for and against drafting them between 20 - 50. It's one of those drafts that you see what unfolds as it happens IMO. Of course you have players that you target, and hopefully one of our higher targets drops to us. Personally I hope all of Simashev, ASP, Reinbacher and Willander all go top 10, that means we are going to get a great centre prospect. Won't happen but I can hope, and then Dvorsky will almost certainly fall to us. I am so high on this kid. Apart from his talent, it's his work ethic and drive that I believe will help him achieve his ceiling. There are some potentially good big RHD that may be available in the third round. Certainly not stars, but big bodied shut down defence men. There is a drop off after the top 4 guys, Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov. The 15th player taken in the draft could be better than 5th overalll. Matthew Wood could be better than Will Smith. And I think he will be. Look at the 2016 draft. Tage Thompson was taken 26. He is better than all of the top 5 picks except Matthews. He is arguably the 3rd best player in the entire draft, behind only Matthews and Thachuk. Same thing could happen this year. If teams are gonna pass on Matthew Wood, they are gonna regret it. Dude is gonna be a beast. 13 points at the U18's wasn't a fluke. I hope the Canucks don't regret it by passing on him... Edited June 28 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Happy Draft Day!!! I’ll be happy with any of the following: Moore, Danielson, Simashev, ASP, Wallinder, Reinbacher, Wood, Benson, or Dvorsky at #11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, canuckwings said: Just watched a clip of Elite Prospects' Cam Robinson on Sekeres and Price. They did a mock draft for picks 1-11. For Canucks' 11th pick, they each pick a different for the sake of being different. Robinson - Benson Price - Simashev Sekeres - Willander This is my top 3. I hope this happens. Robinson said he doesn't think Canucks will draft Danielson for the same reasons said by many here - safe pick but low ceiling and at 11th there are better choices. He also made a great point about the teams draft philosophy. He thought Lekkerimaki was a boom or bust pick last year (you may or may not agree), and that's also consistent with what PA said to the scouts in one of the Canucks videos. I'm so excited for tomorrow's draft...don't disappoint me please. If I were to guess based off the process they went through to pick Lekkerimaki and if I think they will do the same this year then they are going to take big swings. My 3 picks that have the biggest potential are Benson, Simashev and Wood, but I think they will go for size this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if they passed on Benson. If they follow the same philosophy they'll go for the most potential. And their player development allows them to do this. Edited June 28 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan-observer Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I think picks 5-10 are wide open - so we will see how everything plays out - always amazed why teams would make it a bit public who went out with which team for dinner - maybe its a red herring given you are picking 4-5 spots behind other teams. Anyway, from what I have read - Davosky, Barlow, Wood, Willander, Danielson, Simashev, ASP, Reinbacher, Benson could all potentially be drafted. I think the Canucks will pick the best player in this group (unless someone in top 6 drop) who will have most impact for their given position - so not necessarily just points - maybe they'll even surprise us a pick and choose a Sale or Cristall. Interesting choices ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Get a C or D at our pick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: There is a drop off after the top 4 guys, Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov. The 15th player taken in the draft could be better than 5th overalll. Matthew Wood could be better than Will Smith. And I think he will be. Look at the 2016 draft. Tage Thompson was taken 26. He is better than all of the top 5 picks except Matthews. He is arguably the 3rd best player in the entire draft, behind only Matthews and Thachuk. Same thing could happen this year. If teams are gonna pass on Matthew Wood, they are gonna regret it. Dude is gonna be a beast. 13 points at the U18's wasn't a fluke. I hope the Canucks don't regret it by passing on him... He has a lot of raw potential, that's for sure. And the Canucks have put a lot of money into their player development. I think it's likely they take big swings and you only do that when you're confident in your development staff. Wood and Simashev are the projects worth putting in the time for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Who will be the first Canucks traded???? Me Miller if we get a great deal. BB? Garland? Beau?.... Who do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/26/2023 at 11:36 PM, KirkSave said: Sam Cosentino thinks we likely draft a RD like Reinbacher (if he slips) or Willander. If we go with a forward, he thinks it could be Honzek (LW) cause he plays for the giants in Van. I agree with the RD projections, should either Willander or Reinbacher be available but man alive, we don't need another winger if we draft a forward. We need some C prospects (high end) like Moore or Danielson. I still think we might go off board and snag Simashev-at least that is my preference. At least there will be no shortage of intriguing options for us at 11 come draft day! I think that after watching Simashev break ankles and seeing Dan a Milsteins face, that the the Nucks think Simashev can play RD or LD. His wing span will be pretty good, a lot of bigger D men with reach are universal defenders. it’s the skating that I found amazing for such a large player. One description was ‘Skates like Hughes, defends like Tanev.’ I say, heck ya! that’s the player I want this year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: And with the 11th pick in the 2023 NHL draft, the Vancouver Canucks select: MATTHEW WOOD tyhey want speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 It is easy to always say BPA. Think we should really be thinking best asset available. The idea that if the pieces don’t fit if you have BPA you can trade them. We have seen the incredible disparity in the value of winger compared to C or D. A winger that isn’t one of the elite, elite has essentially no value or negative if on a contract with term that isn’t bargain basement. We need C and D in the prospect pool desperately, we need C and D in the NHL desperately. We will draft Benson. We are Canurcks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckFan1123 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Hoping to see Oliver Moore as our pick but wouldn’t be too upset about many guys in this draft. Only guy I’m not super sold on that could hit 11 is Eduard Sale and I have some doubts about Zach Benson. Otherwise will be hard to be upset with whoever we get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 20 minutes ago, granpappy said: tyhey want speed game breaking advantage FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 12 hours ago, McBackup said: I’ll consider it, thanks. My big thing is I’d like to watch it with sound. The Canucks used to have draft parties but stopped. I think they should start doing it again. Too many riots after big moments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Well I'm gonna probably miss the draft for a work BBQ. Hopefully they do good. One of Simashev, Reinbacher, Danielson would make me happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Today is the day when a year's worth of debate, research and anticipation come down to 6 seconds of Alvin at the microphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 39 minutes ago, CanuckFan1123 said: Hoping to see Oliver Moore as our pick but wouldn’t be too upset about many guys in this draft. Only guy I’m not super sold on that could hit 11 is Eduard Sale and I have some doubts about Zach Benson. Otherwise will be hard to be upset with whoever we get. Moore, ASP, Simashev for me........if they top of the draft goes as expected. It'll be interesting to see who falls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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