Ilunga Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 minutes ago, hammertime said: It was I. I still prefer Simashev and think he will be the best D in the draft. Highest floor vs higher ceiling with a right shot though. My eyes tell me Simashev is better. But how many more years are we gonna wait to get a RHD in the system? The right hand D we need is a Defensive minded one and there are a few prospects that fit the bill that we can use our 2nd round pick on. Smash should be there still with our second first. Would you be cool with him and start getting him to play on his off side straight away ? None of these kids will be playing for 2- 3 years minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, Ilunga said: The right hand D we need is a Defensive minded one and there are a few prospects that fit the bill that we can use our 2nd round pick on. Smash should be there still with our second first. Would you be cool with him and start getting him to play on his off side straight away ? None of these kids will be playing for 2- 3 years minimum. No. This is why I wanted Bichsel last year. He played his off side very well. I don't think you take Smash and try to convert him I think you take him for the player he is and hope to develop him as such. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 minutes ago, Isam said: I would go with you on that. As for rhd, livingstone will help plus I like the 2024 class better. I like your bonk idea for our rhd. The more I watch, the more I like Would you like to be head scout for the CDCGML Detroit Redwings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: No. This is why I wanted Bichsel last year. He played his off side very well. I don't think you take Smash and try to convert him I think you take him for the player he is and hope to develop him as such. Fair enough. I to would have rather we had taken Lian after I had learnt he could play as a righty. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Would you like to be head scout for the CDCGML Detroit Redwings ? Lol. We shall see. My golf craving is going off right now with full swing and the genesis open. Ask me in a day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, Isam said: I think we can get reinbacher with our second first. I tend not to trust pronman or cosentino cuz they do a flavour of the month ranking. Unless he moves higher on Bob's ranking, we don't use our top 6. I hope you're right. I'm by no means saying I have him at 5 or even the best D on my board I have him around 9 which puts him in no man's land. If our scouts decide to shoot their shot I'd support it because there are a bunch of great other targets for the 14th pick. I'd rather come away with Rein + Danielsson than Benson + Cristall 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 12 minutes ago, hammertime said: Wouldn't that be as much of a reach as reinbacher though? No. Maybe Reinbacher makes a late season push, but if you look at the most trusted scouting outlets (because they're in regular discussion with real NHL scouts), Bob McKenzie, Sportsnet, THN, they have Barlow respectively 8, 8, and 9, while they have Reinbacher 20, 11, and 15. So I guess not that far off actually, but not just as much. Personally I'd definitely take Barlow over Reinbacher from what I've seen of them. Love the way he plays. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, hammertime said: I hope you're right. I'm by no means saying I have him at 5 or even the best D on my board I have him around 9 which puts him in no man's land. If our scouts decide to shoot their shot I'd support it because there are a bunch of great other targets for the 14th pick. I'd rather come away with Rein + Danielsson than Benson + Cristall Will talk about rein tomorrow. I do have some problems with him and the swisssystem in general. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: No. Maybe Reinbacher makes a late season push, but if you look at the most trusted scouting outlets (because they're in regular discussion with real NHL scouts), Bob McKenzie, Sportsnet, THN, they have Barlow respectively 8, 8, and 9, while they have Reinbacher 20, 11, and 15. So I guess not that far off actually, but not just as much. Personally I'd definitely take Barlow over Reinbacher from what I've seen of them. Love the way he plays. It's is gonna be tough. The whc is gonna be big for Rein and right now, I can see our management group surprising alot of people by picking Barlow cuz of our history. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Fair enough. I to would have rather we had taken Lian after I had learnt he could play as a righty. I think I spammed Lian pretty hard last year. 1 minute ago, HighOnHockey said: No. Maybe Reinbacher makes a late season push, but if you look at the most trusted scouting outlets (because they're in regular discussion with real NHL scouts), Bob McKenzie, Sportsnet, THN, they have Barlow respectively 8, 8, and 9, while they have Reinbacher 20, 11, and 15. So I guess not that far off actually, but not just as much. Personally I'd definitely take Barlow over Reinbacher from what I've seen of them. Love the way he plays. Thats totally fair. I admit I'm not totally in love with Reinbachers game. I pumped Lian, Sergavhev and Sieder in their draft years because of the edge they played with. Reinbacher is a bit of a shrinking violet for my liking but hey if he turns out to be a right shot Shea Theodore sign me up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 12 minutes ago, Isam said: Will talk about rein tomorrow. I do have some problems with him and the swisssystem in general. Looking fwd to it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 minutes ago, hammertime said: I hope you're right. I'm by no means saying I have him at 5 or even the best D on my board I have him around 9 which puts him in no man's land. If our scouts decide to shoot their shot I'd support it because there are a bunch of great other targets for the 14th pick. I'd rather come away with Rein + Danielsson than Benson + Cristall I agree with you on Cristall. 2 things, he is the classic Boom or Bust player, and he doesn't fit our organisational needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Great day of discussion guys. That article HOH posted was a highlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, hammertime said: Which of Benson/Smith is Tkachuk? Neither. Smith is gonna play As a center though.benson is marner. You actually need a rangy center like Danielson to take off the heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Please, please, please.... And he actually wants to play here.... Go get him.... Edited February 18 by spook007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Ilunga said: The right hand D we need is a Defensive minded one and there are a few prospects that fit the bill that we can use our 2nd round pick on. Smash should be there still with our second first. Would you be cool with him and start getting him to play on his off side straight away ? None of these kids will be playing for 2- 3 years minimum. I would have no problem with them taking a lhd if they think he fits the bill as a hard nosed tough Stay at home Dman... by the time he is ready OEL will be on his swan song, and we need more of that type in the system. Wanted Bichsel so bad last year, but would even had settled for Pickering... I do have a fear of 'reaching' for a rhd, if we are picking top 5-6.... OJ is still an open wound. Had Benning hit on those 2 1sts we would likely have been a competetive team today.... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Some thoughts on Oliver Bonk & the Knights guys from tonight...... Bonk seems like more of an offensive minded defenseman. He was good at finding passes quickly under pressure and it seems like his offensive IQ is pretty good in-zone. He also had a nice solo rush & jumped off the point into a good shooting position on another chance that got flubbed. Its not that he can't defend, but its also that his usage was more as an OFD aswell. He was on the 1st PP unit with Logan Mallioux (2 D interestingly) and on late in the game when they were trying to tie. I was quite surprised that he wasn't used more at 5 on 5, though he did play on the PK. On the defensive end he has really good reach & uses his body well to protect the puck downlow in his own zone. Im thinking there's still work to do here off puck given his usage but he wasn't a liability by any-means. Skating seemed a bit above average. Shouldn't hold him back but he's not a burner. The other two DA's were Denver Barkey & Easton Cowan. Barkey has really good speed. Made a nice play on London's first goal using his quickness to gain the zone thru the middle & drive the D back before making a nice back pass that led to a cross-ice pass & goal. He seemed pretty average otherwise. Decent hands & he battles, but it was his quickness that really stood out. Cowan was one of their top PK forwards - out first on every PK - but otherwise not too much stood out. Found himself covering for the D on a couple rushes & Del Mastro schooled him on both. Barkey & Cowan are smaller guys but Cowan doesn't have the skating Barkey does which hurts him in comparison imo. Lastly there was also a defenseman Sam Dickinson who's a 2024 draft eligible. He was playing 1st pair alot with Mallioux at 5 on 5, probably played more 5 on 5 than Bonk. Had a few iffy moments moving the puck otherwise seemed like a solid non-flashy all around D. I thought he showed great defensive awareness off the puck a number of times, and he was the one who jumped into the play cross ice to score the first goal I mentioned earlier. Will be interesting to follow his progress into next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Realistically I'll be very happy with any combination of the following players C's Ritchie, Leonard, Moore, Stramel, Danielson, Whitelaw D's Simashev, Reinbacher, Axel Pelikka 2 minutes ago, spook007 said: I would have no problem with them taking a lhd if they think he fits the bill as a hard nosed tough Stay at home Dman... by the time he is ready OEL will be on his swan song, and we need more of that type in the system. Wanted Bichsel so bad last year, but would even had settled for Pickering... I do have a fear of 'reaching' for a rhd, if we are picking top 5-6.... OJ is still an open wound. Had Benning hit on those 2 1sts we would likely have been a competetive team today.... I mean yeah but like nobody goes 7 for 7 . We got. Brock, McCann, Pete, Hughes, Pod, Great picks in a minefield of Cody Glass, Adam Boqvist Whiffed on Virt, Olli some guys don't work out. The intentions with those picks to add a D and a PWF were good intentions. Just grabbed the wrong D and PWF. If Virtanen hadn't been a worthless human being and Olli turned into a top 4 D like he should have. Then we are looking pretty good today. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, hammertime said: Realistically I'll be very happy with any combination of the following players C's Ritchie, Leonard, Moore, Stramel, Danielson, Whitelaw D's Simashev, Reinbacher, Axel Pelikka I mean yeah but like nobody goes 7 for 7 . We got. Brock, McCann, Pete, Hughes, Pod, Great picks in a minefield of Cody Glass, Adam Boqvist Whiffed on Virt, Olli some guys don't work out. The intentions with those picks to add a D and a PWF were good intentions. Just grabbed the wrong D and PWF. If Virtanen hadn't been a worthless human being and Olli turned into a top 4 D like he should have. Then we are looking pretty good today. I know, and you're right.... But picking OJ instead of Tkachuk (and a few others) still hurts. OJ was considered the 'safe' d pick by many, but man.... I want d and RHD in particular, but if there is a fair drop, or a 'can't miss' forward available, then I think we go with that if in the top 5-6.... after that we can go fishing, but we need to go for as close a can't miss prospect as possible if in the top of the draft. Last year was different as we had a couple of Dmen available at our draft position... Once we ger past the first 10 or so, its pretty much a crapshot anyway, so why not pick for positional needs? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Some thoughts on Oliver Bonk & the Knights guys from tonight...... Bonk seems like more of an offensive minded defenseman. He was good at finding passes quickly under pressure and it seems like his offensive IQ is pretty good in-zone. He also had a nice solo rush & jumped off the point into a good shooting position on another chance that got flubbed. Its not that he can't defend, but its also that his usage was more as an OFD aswell. He was on the 1st PP unit with Logan Mallioux (2 D interestingly) and on late in the game when they were trying to tie. I was quite surprised that he wasn't used more at 5 on 5, though he did play on the PK. On the defensive end he has really good reach & uses his body well to protect the puck downlow in his own zone. Im thinking there's still work to do here off puck given his usage but he wasn't a liability by any-means. Skating seemed a bit above average. Shouldn't hold him back but he's not a burner. The other two DA's were Denver Barkey & Easton Cowan. Barkey has really good speed. Made a nice play on London's first goal using his quickness to gain the zone thru the middle & drive the D back before making a nice back pass that led to a cross-ice pass & goal. He seemed pretty average otherwise. Decent hands & he battles, but it was his quickness that really stood out. Cowan was one of their top PK forwards - out first on every PK - but otherwise not too much stood out. Found himself covering for the D on a couple rushes & Del Mastro schooled him on both. Barkey & Cowan are smaller guys but Cowan doesn't have the skating Barkey does which hurts him in comparison imo. Lastly there was also a defenseman Sam Dickinson who's a 2024 draft eligible. He was playing 1st pair alot with Mallioux at 5 on 5, probably played more 5 on 5 than Bonk. Had a few iffy moments moving the puck otherwise seemed like a solid non-flashy all around D. I thought he showed great defensive awareness off the puck a number of times, and he was the one who jumped into the play cross ice to score the first goal I mentioned earlier. Will be interesting to follow his progress into next year. Thanks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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