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ForzaTikare Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Ilya Mikheyev said: something something JT Miller something Miller for Kaapo? Would you? Edited July 28, 2022 by ForzaTikare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Obvious maneuvering for a Miller deal obviously. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, ForzaTikare said: Miller for Kaapo? Would you? Add a 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Add a 1st round pick And a defenceman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, grandmaster said: And a defenceman and raymond 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, ForzaTikare said: Miller for Kaapo? Would you? After seeing the precedents set this summer, a lot of earlier proposals are probably too high, but this is still too low IMO. A combo of Kakko, Kravtsov and Lundkvist/Schneider (the latter likely untouchable) would fill all the gaps the Canucks have plus the gap left by Miller leaving. Pearson or Hoggie would probably be candidates to go back as the wings would be too full and they both have some value (altho Pearson might not this summer with the value of cap space). Not sure if Drury would be keen on taking on Garland's contract so might not have much value to NYR. Finding the exact value is definitely a challenge. Miller, Hoglander for Kakko, Lundvist, Kravtsov, 2nd rounder 2023 would be pretty dreamy IMO. The fact that Krav's former agent and international play teammate are with the Canucks might be a best case scenario for him to succeed, plus he's another Milstein client currently (along with Mikhe, Kuzie). Krav - Pods would such a dynamic 3rd line, two players who aren't afraid to throw their weight around and have pretty big offensive ceilings; adding Kakko to that line would give them another two-way winger with great defensive underlying stats...if he can put that offense together..damn that line could suddenly become very good. There would have to be one more trade, or someone would have to be pushed to their off-wing. Miller's value might peak again at the TDL, especially with retained salary - but that comes with some risk as we've all discussed at length. If the Canucks are in the hunt, trading him would rip apart the locker room. I think getting it done now makes more sense and giving this team a chance to compete from the get-go together. Kuzie - Petey - Mikheyev Garland - Horvat - Boeser Kakko - Kravstov - Podkolzin Pearson - Dickinson - Lazar Joshua OEL - Myers Hughes - Lundkvist Rathbone - Dermott Schenn, Burroughs Demko Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Ilya Mikheyev said: After seeing the precedents set this summer, a lot of earlier proposals are probably too high, but this is still too low IMO. A combo of Kakko, Kravtsov and Lundkvist/Schneider (the latter likely untouchable) would fill all the gaps the Canucks have plus the gap left by Miller leaving. Pearson or Hoggie would probably be candidates to go back as the wings would be too full and they both have some value (altho Pearson might not this summer with the value of cap space). Not sure if Drury would be keen on taking on Garland's contract so might not have much value to NYR. Finding the exact value is definitely a challenge. Miller, Hoglander for Kakko, Lundvist, Kravtsov, 2nd rounder 2023 would be pretty dreamy IMO. The fact that Krav's former agent and international play teammate are with the Canucks might be a best case scenario for him to succeed, plus he's another Milstein client currently (along with Mikhe, Kuzie). Krav - Pods would such a dynamic 3rd line, two players who aren't afraid to throw their weight around and have pretty big offensive ceilings; adding Kakko to that line would give them another two-way winger with great defensive underlying stats...if he can put that offense together..damn that line could suddenly become very good. There would have to be one more trade, or someone would have to be pushed to their off-wing. Miller's value might peak again at the TDL, especially with retained salary - but that comes with some risk as we've all discussed at length. If the Canucks are in the hunt, trading him would rip apart the locker room. I think getting it done now makes more sense and giving this team a chance to compete from the get-go together. Kuzie - Petey - Mikheyev Garland - Horvat - Boeser Kakko - Kravstov - Podkolzin Pearson - Dickinson - Lazar Joshua OEL - Myers Hughes - Lundkvist Rathbone - Dermott Schenn, Burroughs Demko Martin Substitute something useful instead of Lundvist and I'll be interested. No room on this team for a defenceman who can't play defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Substitute something useful instead of Lundvist and I'll be interested. No room on this team for a defenceman who can't play defence. dudeeee not every PMD oriented guy is Marc Andre Bergeron defensively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, Ilya Mikheyev said: dudeeee not every PMD oriented guy is Marc Andre Bergeron defensively Lundvist is known to be a liability though. That kind of play is simply not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, King Heffy said: Lundvist is known to be a liability though. That kind of play is simply not acceptable. I disagree. His possession stats don't show much based on his limited deployment but they're average. The year before that he won the Salming Trophy as young D, nothing to sneeze at. Most NHL people thought he was a higher touted and a better ceiling that Schneider before last season. Of course, I would also prefer Schneider in terms of fit, but he seems untouchable at this point. Unless it's a Iginla-for-Nieuwendyk type swap - Miller straight across. Quote "He's one of those guys that's got an elite brain," Rangers director of player development Jed Ortmeyer told the USA TODAY Network. "He’s not necessarily the biggest body, but it’s the way he thinks the game."... ...With each passing year, Lundkvist took on more defensive responsibility — not just with Luleå, but also while playing for Sweden's World Juniors and national teams. He also grew an inch and bulked up about 15 pounds since 2018. "He’s coming out quick and using his body much more than he used to do," said Henrik Stridh, who worked with Lundkvist for years as Luleå's defensive coach. "He's improved his defensive game by playing his stick on the puck, but also then using his body to make a break on that play. ... He’s not a big-size guy, but he’s clever." As a result, confidence has grown in Lundkvist's ability to hold up physically and in his own zone. And as he improved in those areas, "the offense just kind of popped for him," according to Ortmeyer. R have a rare situation where they'll actually have to move him to the left-side as he's gonna outplay Fox, Trouba or Schneider, so he might be expendable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Miller for Kakko, Schneider, and a 1st, or forever lose to the Lightning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gator said: Miller for Kakko, Schneider, and a 1st, or forever lose to the Lightning they don't need to add a first or any pick if Schneider's coming. Schneider + Kakko or Schneider + Kravy is fine by me. Schneider is the ideal RHD for Hughes, similarly as Dobson is. But I see no way in which NYR moves him, they're high af on him after last season. Lundkvist is the NYR RHD on the outs IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Lundvist is known to be a liability though. That kind of play is simply not acceptable. Aside from being a complete exaggeration, the idea that he can’t improve his defensive game at this age is completely absurd. You can learn structure, you can’t teach elite natural skill. Edited July 28, 2022 by canuck73_3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Aside from being a complete exaggeration, the idea that he can’t improve his defensive game at this age is completely absurd. You can learn structure, you can’t teach natural skill. Jordan Subban enters the chat* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Aside from being a complete exaggeration, the idea that he can’t improve his defensive game at this age is completely absurd. You can learn structure, you can’t teach natural skill. exactly at the same time it's kind of nice that @King Heffy has a shtick. It's predictable and comforting. I can name any PMD and he'll call him trash in his own end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Aside from being a complete exaggeration, the idea that he can’t improve his defensive game at this age is completely absurd. You can learn structure, you can’t teach natural skill. There are plenty of guys his age who understand how to play defence. If he hasn't learned how to avoid being a complete liability at lower levels, it's unlikely that he'll ever get to a point where his defensive play meets an acceptable standard for an NHLer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 No gm wants to be the bad guy on an offersheet. NYR wouldn’t have been able to match a 2nd rounder compensation offer and this guy does still have good potential. Maybe Seattle is waiting to steal Lafreniere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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