[Signing] Flames re-sign Andrew Mangiapane

[canuck73_3]

4 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Yeah, imagine if they had traded Gaudreau away too when they had opportunity to do so. The Lames could have very well set themselves up for the next 5-6 years between trading MT and JG.

Zero chance they were trading him at 1st in the division. 

[mordekai]

14 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Zero chance they were trading him at 1st in the division. 

Johnny could have sign and request trade to help his former team but he didn’t 

[wallstreetamigo]

1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

We'll see.  I ain't no Flames fan.  The only thing worse than a Flame is an Oiler 

Ummm you spelled Maple Leaf wrong there at the end.

[canuck73_3]

16 minutes ago, mordekai said:

Johnny could have sign and request trade to help his former team but he didn’t 

The Tkachuk trade was the first sign and trade in the NHL, again zero chance that was happening with Calgary in first place. 

[shiznak]

Dude is going to be playing with one of the best playmaker in the game. I wouldn’t doubt he can match his goal total from last year and I wouldn’t be surprised if he hits 40+ goals.

Edited August 3, 2022 by shiznak

[Westcoastcanucks777]

He was bogus in playoffs 

[JamesB]

4 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

This seems like an ok deal. 

Probably pretty fair. 

I dunno why but I immediately thought of Boeser. 

...

 

4 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

Boeser is a cut above but Garland is a pretty good comparable.  The difference as I see it is Garland signed for 4 years not 3 and a year earlier on a 39 point, 49 game season.  Last year, Garland had 52 points with 19 goals which compares to Mangiapane with 55 points but with 35 goals in his contract year which always translates into more money.

I immediately thought about Boeser. As noted by @CanucksJay Boeser has better career numbers but Mangiapane had better numbers last year. So if they both perform as they did last year, then Mangiapane's contract will look a lot better,  But if last year was an outlier year (negative for Brock and positive for Mangiapane) and they both "regress to the mean" then Boeser's contract will look better (but not by that much).

 

I would not say Boeser is a cut above. He obviously wasn't last year and, more generally, Mangiapane provides better defensive play. His underlying "advanced stats" are very good.  I think this contract is pretty close to fair value. 

[Westcoastcanucks777]

17 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

I immediately thought about Boeser. As noted by @CanucksJay Boeser has better career numbers but Mangiapane had better numbers last year. So if they both perform as they did last year, then Mangiapane's contract will look a lot better,  But if last year was an outlier year (negative for Brock and positive for Mangiapane) and they both "regress to the mean" then Boeser's contract will look better (but not by that much).

 

I would not say Boeser is a cut above. He obviously wasn't last year and, more generally, Mangiapane provides better defensive play. His underlying "advanced stats" are very good.  I think this contract is pretty close to fair value. 

Naw Brock trashes Maggie

[Alflives]

6 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

The Flames are going to be one to watch next season.  They lost their top 2 players but got a hell of a haul for Tkachuk.  Their D will be better and their forwards will be worse but by how much?  Wiil Monahan recover from season ending hip surgery?  

 

As for Mangiapane, it's not like his shooting % spiked last year (18.9%) because it was even higher the year before (19.8%).  His shots went from 91 (1.625 /game) to 185 (2.26 / game) which may have had to do with deployment in terms of PP or line mates but he's certainly putting up solid 2nd line numbers.  I'm not so sure he's particularly over paid.  Do the math, if his shots per game regress to last years total and his s% remains at 19% he could easily pot 25 goals

Magpie is a puck sucker.  He’s a 2.5 mil per player.  He belongs on the Cowpies.  No more Gnome and Puker to help him.  Magpie is a Way overpaid LOSER! 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Alflives

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, JamesB said:

 

I immediately thought about Boeser. As noted by @CanucksJay Boeser has better career numbers but Mangiapane had better numbers last year. So if they both perform as they did last year, then Mangiapane's contract will look a lot better,  But if last year was an outlier year (negative for Brock and positive for Mangiapane) and they both "regress to the mean" then Boeser's contract will look better (but not by that much).

 

I would not say Boeser is a cut above. He obviously wasn't last year and, more generally, Mangiapane provides better defensive play. His underlying "advanced stats" are very good.  I think this contract is pretty close to fair value. 

OMG!  Boeser is a far superior player to that puck sucking Magpie.  The Cowpies are overpaying their craperolla because they lost the Gnome and Puker.  Magpie is a 2.5 mil per player.  I’d way rather have Pearson or even Dickinson than the puck sucker Magpie.  

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Mangiapane is worth it, a good deal IMO for Calgary. His two-way capabilities are pretty impressive.

 

[JM_]

8 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Very interesting. Will be a steal if he can continue to put up 30+ goals, though his assist totals are lacking. 

that's what I was thinking too. He's not much of an assist generator, so if his goal scoring drops back to his mean this could be a pretty big overpayment. He had Treliving by the balls tho. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Ilya Mikheyev said:

Mangiapane is worth it, a good deal IMO for Calgary. His two-way capabilities are pretty impressive.

 

the QoC stat there is the one I'd be concerned about. With Tkatpuke and gnome gone, bread-boi is going to be expected to step up for harder minutes.... he's not physically dominating so it may not be that easy for him. We shall see. 

 

This could turn out to be a good contract, but I see it as carrying a fair bit of risk too. 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by JM_

[Ilya Mikheyev]

12 minutes ago, JM_ said:

the QoC stat there is the one I'd be concerned about. With Tkatpuke and gnome gone, bread-boi is going to be expected to step up for harder minutes.... he's not physically dominating so it may not be that easy for him. We shall see. 

 

This could turn out to be a good contract, but I see it as carrying a fair bit of risk too. 

 

 

yeah, it's also kind of crazy he scored 35 goals (27 at 5-on-5) basically being deployed as a 13-14 minute player. there is a chance of regression, but I've been impressed by his play tbh and maybe an increased role turns him into a PPGer. As a Canucks fan, hoping not, but as a hockey fan I think he'll continue to put up good #s

 

[-AJ-]

27 minutes ago, JM_ said:

that's what I was thinking too. He's not much of an assist generator, so if his goal scoring drops back to his mean this could be a pretty big overpayment. He had Treliving by the balls tho. 

One thing to note is that his shooting percentage was very high at 18.9%. Normally, I'd suggest he'll fall back down to his mean, but amazingly, he was even higher in 2020-21 at 19.8%. Might just be the case that he's a pure sniper.

[shiznak]

21 minutes ago, JM_ said:

the QoC stat there is the one I'd be concerned about. With Tkatpuke and gnome gone, bread-boi is going to be expected to step up for harder minutes.... he's not physically dominating so it may not be that easy for him. We shall see. 

 

This could turn out to be a good contract, but I see it as carrying a fair bit of risk too. 

 

 

If I was the other team….I think I’ll be more concerned with what Lindholm and Huberdeau does on the ice than Mangiapane. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, -AJ- said:

One thing to note is that his shooting percentage was very high at 18.9%. Normally, I'd suggest he'll fall back down to his mean, but amazingly, he was even higher in 2020-21 at 19.8%. Might just be the case that he's a pure sniper.

was just looking at that too. 

 

Now that he'll likely be a 1st line player for cowtown, can he still get the chances? I'd like to see one of those colour maps of where he gets his goals. 

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Just now, shiznak said:

If I was the other team….I think I’ll be more concerned with what Lindholm and Huberdeau does on the ice than Mangiapane. 

 

Just now, JM_ said:

was just looking at that too. 

 

Now that he'll likely be a 1st line player for cowtown, can he still get the chances? I'd like to see one of those colour maps of where he gets his goals. 

 

Yeah I think Mangiapane will get more TOI this season, but I don't think he'll be first line

 

Hubby - Lindholm - _______ (Dube? FA?)

Magiapane - Backlund - Toffoli

 

On the other hand trading Zadorov for another top-6ish winger would help them have a solid top-9. I proposed Pearson for Zaddy as good fits for both teams, but there's plenty of teams with overstock on middle-six wingers.

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, shiznak said:

If I was the other team….I think I’ll be more concerned with what Lindholm and Huberdeau does on the ice than Mangiapane. 

maybe, but it'll be a lot easier to key in on these guys now. 

[Bell]

Still can't believe Florida traded away the best player in that trade and felt a need to sprinkle on more.  After the Lil Johnny debacle they unfortunately got away like bandits.