Ex-Canucks...Burkie and Juice. Who do you love more?

[bigbadcanucks]

Most of you have probably seen this and know of Bieksa's famous punch up with Fedor Fedorov from another generation. In case you don't, Bieksa ko'd Fedorov while they were both members of the old Manitoba Moose (I thought it happened outside of the old Rorie Street Marble Club, but apparently it was outside of Earl's, and the only one I know of is the one near Polo Park/old Winnipeg Arena). 

 

Bieksa has always been reluctant to talk about the punch up, but here it is...and there's a Brian Burke angle to it.  Two of my fave ex-Canucks. Burkie and Bieksa.

 

BTW, in case you haven't seen it, you have to check out these Hey Burkie vignettes done by Brian Burke and Jeff Marek.  They are pretty funny.  Enjoy.

 

 

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

Let's see Burkie who can make a trade with one call, or Juice who is the King of the Superman Punch. Tough choice.

[brilac]

Juice. He has so much personality, and I loved watching him be interviewed. 

[AriGold]

Burkee is a beauty but as a Canucks fan you can't not say JUICEEEEEEE....

 

[Shekky]

yeah its an easy decision Juice all the way.

[viking mama]

Don’t get me started!

 

Answer to this question is a super easy one! I love KB3 the most, by far!
 

Brian Burke is completely dead to me, after turning turncoat on the Canucks’ organization & the Aquilinis after they did an end-run around the Gaglardi group to purchase the team. The Gaglardis would have likely retained Brian’s bosom-buddy, Dave Nonis, as the team’s GM. The Aquilini’s had other plans & hired outsider & former player-agent, Mike Gillis. A rivalrous feud was already on between Mike & Brian. They had been adversarial during the team’s more sour dealings with Pavel Bure. Brian admits to being one of the more vindictive persons in hockey - still. He once said that any feud started by the Irish man he’d expect his son to continue after his death.  
 

Burke has been a very painful thorn, even a rusty nail, in the side of our Canucks, ever since. I hope Brian’s tears, at the jersey-raising ceremony for the Sedin twins, was for literally costing them their best chance at hoisting the Stanley Cup. He advised the interim league/sheriff (post recusal of Colin Campbell) on the Rome suspension - still seen historically as the harshest & most unjustified ruling in SC Final history.
 

^Brian should have recused “himself” from that process in every way - but he did NOT & his involvement was disclosed to the press only later on that same summer. Burke had axes to grind & more favor to find, and this Bostonian’s favors definitely came home to roost big-time!  That one decision coupled with the non/suspension to Boyle after he broke Mason Raymond’s back with a non-called pitchfork hoist, turned the inevitable tide in the series the league President’s team’s way! Bravo to you, Brian! 

 

Burke also tried to steal the Sedins out from under the Canucks as they were entering free agency. He told them their closest friends on the team were being shopped around to insinuate a lack of loyalty to them, - which is tampering! A Mickey Mouse fine of sorts & a reprimand was assessed.

 

Burke was the chief architect of the un-grandfathered long-term contract cap recapture scheme that hurt upstart marketplaces like VAN & suddenly Roberto Luongo’s contract sucked! 

 

Burke meddled in local hockey matters too, by pulling support from the Chilliwack Bruins, refusing to sell to a player/lead group wanting to keep them there, and then - suddenly he’s got his mitts on an AHL farm-team in Abby with less nearby market competition. He took his greatest rivals’ backyard rink availability/space away from ‘em & hard-balled VAN on offers requesting he give the location up, despite no self-respecting Canucks fans wanting to root for his baby ‘Lames. 

 

The dude has received consulting fees via many of the Canucks’ division rivals. Phhffffftt to you, Burke! 
 

Burke’s son is surprisingly named to the DPS, tho’ clearly under-qualified as a short-term NHL scout & not the long-tenured playing professional peer, that the DPS said it requires by it’s own publicly declared standards! Quid-pro-quo for 2011 SCup high-jinx? This is where those consulting fees must come in handy now, huh? 
 

IMO: KB3 is entertaining & instructive as a HNIC panel member. He’s quick-witted & a  jovial sports hero with miles of cred amongst his peers & the public combined.  
 

Brian Burke is a narcissist. He’s admittedly a vindictive blow-hard, with a plethora of anecdotes & tales but not all of them accurate, truthful or properly disclosed. As time goes by, he’s become less of a hero & more of a zero to me. 
 

Look at your history with below board deals & dirty tricks and wear ‘em, Brian! I want to read your confessionals in THAT book, before I applaud anything you may have left to say, again. 
 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by viking mama

[-AJ-]

Love Burkie's candidness, but as as Canuck, my heart is more towards Juice than Burke.

 

Loved the Hey Burkie animation and story though.

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, viking mama said:

Don’t get me started!

 

Answer to this question is a super easy one! I love KB3 the most, by far!
 

Brian Burke is completely dead to me, after turning turncoat on the Canucks’ organization & the Aquilinis after they did an end-run around the Gaglardi group to purchase the team. The Gaglardis would have likely retained Brian’s bosom-buddy as the team’s GM. The Aquilini’s had other plans & hired outsider & former player-agent, Mike Gillis. rivalrous feud was already on between Mike & Brian.  They had been adversarial during the team’s more sour dealings with Pavel Bure. Brian admits to being one of the more vindictive persons in hockey - still. He once said that any feud started by the Irish man he’d expect his son to continue after his death.  
 

Burke has been a painful thorn, even a rusty nail, in the side of our Canucks, since. I hope Brian’s tears, at the jersey-raising ceremony for the Sedin twins, was for literally costing them their best chance at hoisting the Stanley Cup. He advised the interim league/sheriff (post recusal of Colin Campbell) on the Rome suspension - still seen historically as the harshest & most unjustified ruling in SC Final history.
 

^Brian should have recused “himself” from that process in any way - he did not & his involvement was disclosed to the press later that summer. He had axes to grind & more favor to find, and this Bostonian’s favor came home to rooster big-time!  That one decision coupled with the non/suspension to Boyle after he broke Mason Raymond’s back with a non-called pitchfork hoist, turned the inevitable tide in the series the league President’s team’s way! Bravo to you, Brian! 

 

Burke tried to steal the Sedins out from under the Canucks as they were about to enter free agency. He told them their closest friends on the team were being shopped to insinuate a lack of loyalty to them, - which was tampering. A Mickey Mouse fine of sorts & a reprimand was assessed.

 

Burke was the chief architect of the un-grandfathered long-term contract cap recapture scheme that hurt marketplaces like VAN & suddenly Roberto Luongo’s contract sucked! 

 

Burke meddled in local hockey matters too, like pulling support from the Chilliwack Bruins, refusing to sell to a player/lead group wanting to keep them there, and then - suddenly he’s got mitts on an AHL farm-team in Abby with less nearby market competition. He took his greatest rivals’ backyard rink space away from ‘em & hard-balled  on the offers requesting he give ‘em up, despite no self-respecting Canucks fans wanting to root for the baby ‘Lames. 

 

The dude had received consulting fees by many of the Canucks’ division rivals. Phhffffftt to you, Burke! 
 

Then his son surprisingly gets named to the DPS, tho’ clearly  under-qualified as a short-term NHL scout & not the long-tenured playing professional peer, that the DPS requires by it’s own publicly declared standards! Quid pro quo for 2011 SCup high-jinx? This is where those consulting fees must now come in handy, huh? 
 

IMO: KB3 is both entertaining & instructive as a HNIC panel member. He’s quick-witted & a  jovial sports hero with miles of cred among his peers & the public combined.  
 

Brian Burke is a narcissist. He’s admittedly a vindictive blow-hard, with a plethora of anecdotes & tales but not all of them accurate, truthful or properly disclosed. As time goes by, he’s become less of a hero & more of a zero to me. 
 

Look at your history with below board deals & dirty tricks & wear ‘em, Brian! I want to read your confessionsls in THAT book, before I applaud anything you may have left to say, again. 
 

 

Excellent post. A petty narcissist is precisely what this mongrel looks like.

 

Also meddled in our trade talks(supposedly trying to get Hedman at draft; KB3 & Burr he suggested was on offer). This Bull**** league likely encouraged such behaviour. Guy's a complete ***hole.

 

Bieksa is a beaut.

[viking mama]

On 8/7/2022 at 12:00 AM, -AJ- said:

Love Burkie's candidness, but as as Canuck, my heart is more towards Juice than Burke.

 

Loved the Hey Burkie animation and story though.

Is it candidness tho’?

 

A whole chunk of his work history trying to maligne & thwart the Canucks franchise after he departed from them - was left out of his book. 
 

Pat Quinn, a forever Canuck, would have been spinning in his grave if he knew even the half of it. Burke is simply too vindictive, petty & mercenary to achieve the levels of loyalty &/or dignity, that a person such as his mentor, Pat Quinn inspired. 
 

HNIC & the NHL will continue to have Burke’s back and will always white/wash his dirtiest deeds, just like they did for Mark Messier. Hell, Messier even got a modern-day NHL Leadership Award named after himself, despite being a league-wide enabled head/hunter & notorious cheat….& THAT honour gets bestowed while progressives are challenging hockey culture to demand better & far more accountable role-models going into 21st century!
 

^Nonsensical mixed-messaging, am I right? Go figure!

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by viking mama

[VanCan2023]

17 minutes ago, viking mama said:

Is it candidness tho’?

 

A whole chunk of his work history trying to maligne & thwart the Canucks franchise after he departed from them - was left out of his book. 
 

Pat Quinn, a forever Canuck, would have been spinning in his grave if he knew even the half of it. Burke is simply too vindictive, petty & mercenary to achieve  the level of loyalty or dignity, that a person such as his mentor, Pat Quinn inspired. 
 

HNIC & the NHL will continue to have Burke’s back and will always white/wash his dirtiest deeds, just like they did for Mark Messier. Hell, Messier even got a modern-day NHL Leadership Award named after himself, despite being a league-wide enabled head/hunter & notorious cheat….& THAT honour gets bestowed while progressives are challenging hockey culture to demand better & far more accountable role-models going into 21st century!
 

^Nonsensical mixed-messaging, am I right? Go figure!

 

 

Burke is an actual lawyer and went Johnny Cochran defending Bertuzzi and Crawford with the Moore incident resulting in essentially a slap in the wrist considering what Moore and his team were going for. But yes he is a stubborn prick, that got/gets more cred then he deserves. Probably will still get in the HHF in the builders category. 

[Canuck Surfer]

Love?  Juice!

 

Respect, sign to build a team from start up?   Burkie!

[Phat Fingers]

KB3 by a mile, even though Burke did draft him and how KN3 got his first pro contract was hilarious.  Setting Sergei’s younger brother in his ass in a bar fight.  
 

Burkie and Quinn wanted Linden because he was off cattle ranching with his father as his family needed him to geld bulls vs show up for a pre draft thing, 

 

But I think KB3 will be a GM one day and an excellent one.  He has a very ground up background and has real accumen and knowledge to go with his highly respected career and had he and the club won vs Bos in Game 7, he would be an Icon.  
 

KB3 is my favourite Canucks D Man, as a player and with character.  
 

never the best but never backed down and he was feared in any fighting sense.  Never a bully but always stood up for others and himself.  
 

can’t say the same for Burke.  

[Phat Fingers]

Just now, Phat Fingers said:

KB3 by a mile, even though Burke did draft him and how KN3 got his first pro contract was hilarious.  Setting Sergei’s younger brother in his ass in a bar fight.  
 

Burkie and Quinn wanted Linden because he was off cattle ranching with his father as his family needed him to geld bulls vs show up for a pre draft thing, 

 

But I think KB3 will be a GM one day and an excellent one.  He has a very ground up background and has real accumen and knowledge to go with his highly respected career and had he and the club won vs Bos in Game 7, he would be an Icon.  
 

KB3 is my favourite Canucks D Man, as a player and with character.  
 

never the best but never backed down and he was feared in any fighting sense.  Never a bully but always stood up for others and himself.  
 

can’t say the same for Burke.  

Also as a solid 3/4 RHD who could put up 30/40 points a year with the ability to fight.  
 

Why is it so hard for this club to draft guys who are right shots like KB3 in the 3-5 round ever draft, if one is in the top two rounds, and in the right spot, take the RH shot. 
 

cause one of those guys may have more fight in them than the others, and that’s exactly how KB3 made it to the NHL.  
 

he understood that breaking in is one thing, and staying in is another.  He did both as a 5th rounder.  
 

 

[Nucker 67]

I don't really like either as people (aside from Kevin's charity work). They both seem like egotistical jerks IMO, but at least Kevin says some funny sh*t once in a while, and he's a Canucks fan.

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by NUCKER67

[diesel_3]

I have had the pleasure of meeting both!

Bieksa is on my all-time Canuck team, for sure.

[-DLC-]

Love both of them but Juice is my guy (along with Burr of course).

 

He was a warrior for us and I still remember people screaming to get rid of him (around the same time that I got his jersey) and I just prayed it didn't happen.  I'm glad he proved the haters wrong. He was heart and soul and will always be a Canuck to me.

[CanuckleHorse]

Kevin through his tenure here was my favourite mostly for his fighting ability but he was not one just a goon he was so much more a true leader a Steamer on Rd.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Juice, easily.

[Ghostsof1915]

22 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

I don't really like either as people (aside from Kevin's charity work). They both seem like egotistical jerks IMO, but at least Kevin says some funny sh*t once in a while, and he's a Canucks fan.

 

That's just Kesler rubbing off on him......

[NewbieCanuckFan]

One of life's mysteries....Juice & the Eagle.  Two otherwise VERY solid top four guys in their prime.  Each capable of carrying their pairing.  But the two of them together?  Nightmare city!  

Edited August 8, 2022 by NewbieCanuckFan