higgyfan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, IBatch said: If Alf saw these deals he'd be all over it! Even straight up for Coglan. I know that the group think is, or at least used to be (it's coming around finally), is that Miller is worth something massive. We also thought that about Kesler. What did he get us? A fair or decent deal that was flipped a year later for Sutter. Good grief. That's a fair deal. 100 points.., what exactly did Hall get again? And wasn't he a Hart winner and first overall with a better pedigree?! We are just as lucky to get a bag of pucks after the dust settles, as a Sutter or as a ?? something better. I've been trying to explain this for awhile. Could go either way. So maybe 1/3 odds it's a better trade then Kesler. Similar age and all. The Kes trade was different because he wanted to leave Vancouver and only had 1 team that he could go to. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Hall's value has gone south for a while now. Maybe something to do with playing on 5 different teams in 6 yrs. I think JT will get a decent return when the time comes. He's of more value than Giroux and will likely be the best available player at TDL. It may not be what fans were anticipating before the deadline last year, but it will return a prospect + player and a pick that will help our team going forward. An example is... Nolan Foote + Severson + 2nd round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, higgyfan said: The Kes trade was different because he wanted to leave Vancouver and only had 1 team that he could go to. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Hall's value has gone south for a while now. Maybe something to do with playing on 5 different teams in 6 yrs. I think JT will get a decent return when the time comes. He's of more value than Giroux and will likely be the best available player at TDL. It may not be what fans were anticipating before the deadline last year, but it will return a prospect + player and a pick that will help our team going forward. An example is... Nolan Foote + Severson + 2nd round pick I understand all the circumstances regarding the Kesler trade, but am bringing that up because, well we also thought we'd be a boatload for him - more for Schnieder then a 9th overall as well as any sort or TO deal for Luongo. Miller .. well he did get us a Bonino (second line C that scored 50ish points) and a first did he. So again we need to temper our expectations. And as far as production goes you can't put 3 Kesler seasons together that match Miller last three PPG wise can you, and seriously compare those two teams ...wow. Even points would be tough (and Miller played during covid). In other words your even making my point more pointed. The entire market last year - didn't give us that. Edit: Kesler had two teams he was willing to waive too. Both contenders. And me know that folks thought he was a traitor, but admire that about him. Plus also thought and maybe this will peeve some fans off. that we should have re-tooled around him and Luongo, instead and just let the Sedins walk. It's also why JB walked into a gong show. Torts was absolutely correct - the core was stale, even if he also said the Sedins were warriors. Burrows didn't waive. Bieksa didn't either. Neither did Hansen lol not until they are almost done. Like who gives a bottom six guy a full NTC ? MG does. And did. Edler didn't go. Neither did Tanev. Not until they got their money. So for all those folks that are bitter about Kesler ... at least he tried ... Edited August 17, 2022 by IBatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, higgyfan said: The Kes trade was different because he wanted to leave Vancouver and only had 1 team that he could go to. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Hall's value has gone south for a while now. Maybe something to do with playing on 5 different teams in 6 yrs. I think JT will get a decent return when the time comes. He's of more value than Giroux and will likely be the best available player at TDL. It may not be what fans were anticipating before the deadline last year, but it will return a prospect + player and a pick that will help our team going forward. An example is... Nolan Foote + Severson + 2nd round pick And i think that exactly what we should expect from a Miller trade. A prospect/young player a guy on an expiring deal maybe we keep or maybe we don't and a pick. So can agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, IBatch said: And i think that exactly what we should expect from a Miller trade. A prospect/young player a guy on an expiring deal maybe we keep or maybe we don't and a pick. So can agree with that. I can appreciate that, not getting overrated misfits (e.g. Necas/ Coghlan) back but also not asking for blue-chippers when the market simply isn't there for it (e.g. Schneider, Chytil, 1st in a good draft year). Getting a serviceable expiring contract, a decent prospect and a 2nd might still look like we're selling for $0.75 on the dollar, but at least it's not just for pennies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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