stawns Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Kadri was just as good of a player in the league last year as Miller was. You could argue that Miller was a little bit better, but not by much. Kadri is also a pure centre, whereas teams around the league might view Miller as more of a winger (despite his faceoff prowess). You think kadri is in the same tier as Miller? I think he's a notch below Miller and, if anything, this strengthens Millers demands for a huge contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, BPA said: At the very least, it should bring down Millers ask. Perhaps this will help both reach a compromise to a re-signing. Why would you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Kadri was just as good of a player in the league last year as Miller was. You could argue that Miller was a little bit better, but not by much. Kadri is also a pure centre, whereas teams around the league might view Miller as more of a winger (despite his faceoff prowess). We can put it this way... Miller is not $15 to $20 million better than Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GB5 said: I think turning Chucky, Monahan and Johnny into Huberdeau, Weegar and Kadri is pretty solid. Very different players but I think the incoming guys have a better team focus as opposed to some of the me focused ongoing guys. I agree; I think they are actually a better team in 2022 & 2023 now (than with Jon=hnny and Tkachuk). The problem is that Kadri and Hub are old and on big contracts. They have a 2-3 year window with Kadri, Hub, Marky, and tanev. Edited August 18, 2022 by BC_Hawk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I'd almost argue it's a decent comp for both JTM and Horvat. JTM would get a tad more, and Horvat would get about the same (due to age). You consider Miller a franchise player.......do you consider Kadri one too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRick Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 F*ck Kadri! F*ck Calgary! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just when everyone thought the Flames were done - Treliving does stuff and the Flames future over the next few years is bright and shiny (like the Cup) What the heck are JR/PA doing? I'm thinking they have to keep Miller now, just to try and compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 More reason to hate the Flames. Kadri is a dirty player. Keep your head up, Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: We can put it this way... Miller is not $15 to $20 million better than Kadri. Over 7 years he is, absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Honestly, the Flames are a better team today than they were last year. Weegar, Huberdeau and Kadri are so much harder to play against. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, stawns said: Yeah, I see it more as leverage for Miller, who is a much better player than Kadri. Yeah it means Miller is worth at the very least 8 over the same term, probably more like 8.5/9 in comparison. Kadri is a full 2+ years older. Edited August 18, 2022 by Gawdzukes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: I agree; I think they are actually a better team in 2022 & 2023 now (than with Jon=hnny and Tkachuk). The problem is that Kadri and Hub are old and on big contracts. They have a 2-3 year window with Kadri, Hub, Marky, and tanev. How are Kadri and Huberdeau old? They can skate as well as any two players in the league and have conditioning for days. Both are elite players, esp Huberdeau who is the best winger in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Cant stand the Flames but they just made themselves into a contender with Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, stawns said: You consider Miller a franchise player.......do you consider Kadri one too? Put some numbers to it. Kadri just came off a year where he was on pace for 100 points. If he was the main guy on a team and not behind Nathan Mackinnon, then why not? Assuming he is still a PPG+ player elsewhere. If he was with NYI, Nashville, etc... would he be the #1 guy? So you honestly think JT Miller will get $15 to $20M more than Nazem Kadri? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Over 7 years he is, absolutely I disagree completely and will leave it at that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: What the heck are JR/PA doing? I'm thinking they have to keep Miller now, just to try and compete. Waiting for JB to return their phone call and tell them what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Yeah, I see it more as leverage for Miller, who is a much better player than Kadri. I disagree. They've been pretty comparable over most of their careers with the slight edge to Miller the past couple years (but Kadri being great in the playoffs those years). But last year they were at practically the same point per game pace. If they were the same age Miller might be worth 0.5M more per season. Where it becomes tricky is that Miller is 2.5 years younger than Kadri. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Honestly don't think Flames are that much better. Their defense is better with Weegar but their forward group is lacking IMO. I think Huberdeau will not be as effective without Barkov. Kadri is not an elite centerman and frankly, better suited as a 2nd line center. We'll see what happens but I think they may struggle under Sutter's coaching. Lindholm is C1. Kadri being C2 pushes Backlund to C3. Huberdeau didn't play with Barkov but he will now be on the clear top line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, EddieVedder said: How are Kadri and Huberdeau old? They can skate as well as any two players in the league and have conditioning for days. Both are elite players, esp Huberdeau who is the best winger in the game. 30 & 32 signed for 8 and 7 respectively. We are scared of OEL @ 35 and JT at 37; imagine Hub at 38 or Kadri at 39! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Honestly don't think Flames are that much better. Their defense is better with Weegar but their forward group is lacking IMO. I think Huberdeau will not be as effective without Barkov. Kadri is not an elite centerman and frankly, better suited as a 2nd line center. We'll see what happens but I think they may struggle under Sutter's coaching. Removing two locker room cancers in the turtle and the midget should help. I'm still shocked Kadri didn't choose to sign with a men's team though. Edited August 18, 2022 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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