NHL97OneTimer Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: I wonder if the old regime focused too much on anecdotes and success in small snippets (e.g. did well in such and such a tournament, such that even if the player wasn't good elsewhere they were willing to use confirmation bias to justify their pick). In contrast, I'd also like to be a fly on the wall in the Lightning draft room, and see how they were able to string together so many strong depth choices (they average around 4 picks that play in the NHL per draft, and had some where 6 or even all their picks at least saw NHL ice, if not had solid careers). I would agree with that, but it's tough to really judge beyond the first round or two.....most players don't make the NHL statistically after that. When you get deeper in the draft, the difference between players is likely more marginal at that time......so it's what they do after they're drafted that makes the difference is what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Gadjovich was picked 55th overall. Of the 162 players chosen after Gadjovich, only 11 have played more games in the NHL. He was an above average 2nd round pick, but not in the top 10% which are difference makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Viper007 said: Why cause he didn't make the big team, he did a real number on the kid?? Are you serious? You just wanted to give this guy minutes without earning it? Green did nothing. He played in SJ for the whole season, and did pretty much nothing with it. He earned a job in camp and Green chose to gift AHL trash a job instead, after benching him the previous year for bringing some toughness. Green's complete lack of professionalism destroyed the confidence of a lot of guys, including Gadjovich. You are really underestimating what a bad coach can do to a young player. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, King Heffy said: He earned a job in camp and Green chose to gift AHL trash a job instead, after benching him the previous year for bringing some toughness. Green's complete lack of professionalism destroyed the confidence of a lot of guys, including Gadjovich. You are really underestimating what a bad coach can do to a young player. He didn't earn anything. He played like 2 games. And the person that they chose over Gadjovich was Chaisson, and Chaisson had a much better season than Gadjovich did. A lot of young players played well under Green. So I don't know where you're saying his lack of professionalism destroyed the confidence of a lot of guys. BB, runner up for Calder. QH, runner up for Calder. EP, winner of Calder. How is this destroying confidence again? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1G & 2A in 43 GP. Didn't seem like he progressed much with SJ. Might be his last chance to get by on draft pedigree here. All the best too him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 5 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: I think this speaks as much about the greatest problem with the Canucks for the past many decades......sometimes great players are made, not found. Canucks development outside of the crease is abysmal. In fact, it speaks massive volumes that the Canucks have had more success with goalies than other positions in terms of creating solid NHL goalies. If the Canucks found the Ian Clarks of defensive coaching, we'd be looking at a few more banners up in the rafters. Markstrom was already on a path before Clark arrived. Wasn't around when Schneider was here. Isn't turning MD into anything. If developing goalies is our chief ability we are never going to see a banner lol. Demko and Schneider are our all-time best goalie draft picks. That's scary sad. Horvat, Brock, EP, QHs all worked out just fine. Not sure where your going with this. For sure not hitting on anything past the second round that matters since Nonis first draft is a crap track record though. We'd have to go all the way back to the Milford days to find an era of four years of solid drafting in a row ... and well back then it seemed like every team was doing it too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: 1G & 2A in 43 GP. Didn't seem like he progressed much with SJ. Might be his last chance to get by on draft pedigree here. All the best too him. Yes. Don't get why people are ripping on him. He had a great training camp here, and they never should have waived him over at least 2 guys. These guys are rare (throwbacks) and hard to find. He's still young enough to make the NHL. Kids got heart that's for sure. Next time EP gets ragdolled, and Horvat does a fly by without even a sideways glance ... well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Yes. Don't get why people are ripping on him. He had a great training camp here, and they never should have waived him over at least 2 guys. These guys are rare (throwbacks) and hard to find. He's still young enough to make the NHL. Kids got heart that's for sure. Next time EP gets ragdolled, and Horvat does a fly by without even a sideways glance ... well. Dakota > Jonaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Fans didn't want JG for his scoring prowess. They wanted him because the team needs bite. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Yes. Don't get why people are ripping on him. He had a great training camp here, and they never should have waived him over at least 2 guys. These guys are rare (throwbacks) and hard to find. He's still young enough to make the NHL. Kids got heart that's for sure. Next time EP gets ragdolled, and Horvat does a fly by without even a sideways glance ... well. Nothing against Jonah, but at this point he might be a middling NHL guy u can get any year in free agency. I don't think it's as much of a loss as people thought at the time. If anything MacEwen showed more as an NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Isn't it true that Kole Lind's reputation is almost entirely based on Jim Benning's comments at the opening of the second round at the 2017 draft? Is Kole Lind still available? And Gadjovich. C'mon! He doesn't skate at an NHL level and while he has been ok in the AHL he just isn't in the bigs. 0.07 ppg. Ya, many of us had high hopes but almost a full year after losing him on waivers aren't we just a little more objective and a little less emotional about a player who should never see the NHL ice again. Just goes to show how misplaced and overblown the Green criticism was. There were actually a bunch of idiots calling out Green for letting him go. Shows what they know ... absolutely nothing. They're so dumb they don't even realize it's the GM who makes that call anyway but were just trying to make stuff up to blame Green. And like the hockey people on here knew ... Gadjovich sucks anyway ... like really bad and no Green didn't do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: Just goes to show how misplaced and overblown the Green criticism was. There were actually a bunch of idiots calling out Green for letting him go. Shows what they know ... absolutely nothing. They're so dumb they don't even realize it's the GM who makes that call anyway but were just trying to make stuff up to blame Green. And like the hockey people on here knew ... Gadjovich sucks anyway ... like really bad and no Green didn't do that. So you actually think Green's misconduct was acceptable? The guy clearly couldn't say the lineup correctly and multiple players did have confidence issues last year. It's entirely reasonable to hold that clown accountable for his gifting of roster spots to AHL trash. Benning is also to blame for allowing that imbecile to pull the BS he did last year in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Good for Gadjo. He’s still young and has potential to put it together and get his career back on track. I was pissed when JB placed him on waivers last season. Hopefully he does well for the Sharks in a show me contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Gadjovich just earned a new contract and is sticking around in the NHL. Nothing much nothing less. No need to put down on him so you can feel good about yourself thinking Canucks made another great move lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 19 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: When he was claimed off waivers by the Sharks, the discussion spanned over 43 pages. Not "minor" on CDC, at least. Well to be fair, did that transaction really warrant 43+ pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 The fact that he's signed as a pro level player right now is a good step for Gadjovich. He still has a lot to prove. But at 23 and as a fighter he'll have to still find his weight class in this league. Once he figures out how much room he has to drive to the net he should be able to get some garbage goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 12 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: I think this speaks as much about the greatest problem with the Canucks for the past many decades......sometimes great players are made, not found. Canucks development outside of the crease is abysmal. In fact, it speaks massive volumes that the Canucks have had more success with goalies than other positions in terms of creating solid NHL goalies. If the Canucks found the Ian Clarks of defensive coaching, we'd be looking at a few more banners up in the rafters. Agreed this has been one of our biggest issues. We haven't been developing any players in our AHL (other than Demko) who are regulars in the Canucks lineup. Best example is Tampa. They don't just draft well, their development system is top notch. Not easy to match them, but we need to be doing much better in this department. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, Pears said: Well to be fair, did that transaction really warrant 43+ pages? No, but CDC gonna CDC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 19 hours ago, RWJC said: Indeed, it was mused about over high tea. Emphasis on the "high" part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I 'd say that in order to 'rate' Gads leaving, one should check and see how the guy that replaced him did, and will do in the coming couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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