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Just now, JM_ said:

awesome way to get a flaky reputation. Its the last thing a competent management group would do. 

Exactly!

 

And as much as Rutherford likes to make trades, he’s not the type of person to do that, and I doubt he’s taught Allvin to be like that.

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1 hour ago, Provost said:

They did say the plan, they also talked about getting younger to get players who fit that timeframe to compete for a long time starting then and having to make "unemotional decisions" this summer on Miller.

They signed Miller in the end, and if the plan is still to really be ready 2-3 years from now, then the current regime is as bad as Benning and the Miller signing was downright stupid as it goes against their plan.  I really hope that isn't the case.  The expected best years for Miller will be in that exact timeframe, with the downside likely starting 3-4 years from now (assuming he even keeps playing at his current level for the first half of his contract which we are just assuming to be the case).  We are just left "hoping" that Miller doesn't age like other players and can be one of those rare guys who can perform at top line production at 33-37 years old?

We don't have 35+ million in cap space that year because we have to sign current players to raises in between now and then.  That 36 million is only 9 players signed, no Petterson, no Bo, no Podkolzin, and only two signed D.

35 million in space by then....
Roughly...
- $7 million for Bo
- $9 million for Petterson
- $3 million for Podkolzin

Petterson-Miller-Boeser
Mikheyev-Horvat-Garland
Podkolzin-XX-XX
XX-Lazar-XX
XX

Hughes-XX
OEL-XX
XX-Poolman
XX-XX

Demko
XX

Fill all the XXs with $17 million dollars, it doesn't add up.  There isn't some magical world where things suddenly open up that season, we maybe have one prospect on an ELC in Lekkerimaki, the rest we are likely going to have to find on the free agent market and pay full retail rate for... including finding two top 4 RHD somehow

= $17 million left with only 14 players signed and another 10-11 players needing to be signed.  Those numbers are probably even pretty conservative as unfortunately that is exactly the timeframe that the cap is expected to make a big jump so bidding on free agents to fill the holes that we have no prospects to fill is going to be really expensive.  Maybe Rathbone is good enough and can be had for a $4 million bridge contract and save a couple million vs. a UFA top 4 D who will cost you $6 million.... but that still doesn't make the math work for us to suddenly start getting better. that is going to be treading water at best.

 

Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol

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3 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol

Yep and you’re more likely to get good value for those players if they’re playing on a deep team and have their stats inflated.

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8 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol

Wait... now you are completely changing gears.  We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger?  What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them?

The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets?  Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years?  Myers?  Pearson?  Schenn?  

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4 minutes ago, Provost said:

Wait... now you are completely changing gears.  We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger?  What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them?

The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets?  Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years?  Myers?  Pearson?  Schenn?  

Depends what your definition of young is I guess.

 

In a couple years when Petey is due for a raise Boeser and Garland will be 27 and 28. Do we trade them for a 22/23 year old on an ELC? Time will tell.

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2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

The year is 2029.

 

The Canucks have just missed the playoffs.

 

This thread has now reached 4,000 pages.

 

We are now debating whether or not to keep J.T. Miller for the final year of his contract.

 

At the same time, some members are still quoting posts from the year 2022 to prove their points.

The year is 2029.

 

The Canucks have just won the Stanley Cup 5 times.

 

This thread has now reached 4,000 pages.

 

We are now treating this thread as a "Burrows, do we really need him?" sequel.

 

At the same time, some members are still quoting posts from the year 2022 to brag to the people who thought Miller should have been traded.

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2 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

Feel ya. I would personally rather see Horvat put into that position then Miller myself. More center experience and it's just always been the type of player I envisioned Horvat succeeding as. 

Me too

for me its the wingers who I anticipate with each centre

 

Im sure they will both have their go at it throughout the year 

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1 hour ago, Provost said:

They did say the plan, they also talked about getting younger to get players who fit that timeframe to compete for a long time starting then and having to make "unemotional decisions" this summer on Miller.

They signed Miller in the end, and if the plan is still to really be ready 2-3 years from now, then the current regime is as bad as Benning and the Miller signing was downright stupid as it goes against their plan.  I really hope that isn't the case.  The expected best years for Miller will be in that exact timeframe, with the downside likely starting 3-4 years from now (assuming he even keeps playing at his current level for the first half of his contract which we are just assuming to be the case).  We are just left "hoping" that Miller doesn't age like other players and can be one of those rare guys who can perform at top line production at 33-37 years old?

We don't have 35+ million in cap space that year because we have to sign current players to raises in between now and then.  That 36 million is only 9 players signed, no Petterson, no Bo, no Podkolzin, and only two signed D.

35 million in space by then....
Roughly...
- $7 million for Bo
- $9 million for Petterson
- $3 million for Podkolzin

Petterson-Miller-Boeser
Mikheyev-Horvat-Garland
Podkolzin-XX-XX
XX-Lazar-XX
XX

Hughes-XX
OEL-XX
XX-Poolman
XX-XX

Demko
XX

Fill all the XXs with $17 million dollars, it doesn't add up.  There isn't some magical world where things suddenly open up that season, we maybe have one prospect on an ELC in Lekkerimaki, the rest we are likely going to have to find on the free agent market and pay full retail rate for... including finding two top 4 RHD somehow

= $17 million left with only 14 players signed and another 10-11 players needing to be signed.  Those numbers are probably even pretty conservative as unfortunately that is exactly the timeframe that the cap is expected to make a big jump so bidding on free agents to fill the holes that we have no prospects to fill is going to be really expensive.  Maybe Rathbone is good enough and can be had for a $4 million bridge contract and save a couple million vs. a UFA top 4 D who will cost you $6 million.... but that still doesn't make the math work for us to suddenly start getting better. that is going to be treading water at best.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Provost said:

Wait... now you are completely changing gears.  We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? 

Yes. (And, settle down.)

 

3 minutes ago, Provost said:

What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them?

Good point; we don't have to get it done tonight.

Also, I suggest you watch the upcoming tourney and training camp and add your perspective there.

The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets?  Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years?  Myers?  Pearson?  Schenn?  

Again, relax, get some rest, it is not the end of the world that Miller re-signed; mngt has lots of time now, though, because he has.

 

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8 minutes ago, Provost said:

Wait... now you are completely changing gears.  We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger?  What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them?

The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets?  Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years?  Myers?  Pearson?  Schenn?  

As the few young guys come up and push for roster spots, the roster players could be moved to give room

 

im looking at Boeser, Garland, Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Dermott 

 

Youre a smart guy Provost, no need for an aggressive post

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