DeNiro Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Just now, JM_ said: awesome way to get a flaky reputation. Its the last thing a competent management group would do. Exactly! And as much as Rutherford likes to make trades, he’s not the type of person to do that, and I doubt he’s taught Allvin to be like that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphouse Canuck Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Is anyone else having trouble playing the JTM video from the home page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Provost said: They did say the plan, they also talked about getting younger to get players who fit that timeframe to compete for a long time starting then and having to make "unemotional decisions" this summer on Miller. They signed Miller in the end, and if the plan is still to really be ready 2-3 years from now, then the current regime is as bad as Benning and the Miller signing was downright stupid as it goes against their plan. I really hope that isn't the case. The expected best years for Miller will be in that exact timeframe, with the downside likely starting 3-4 years from now (assuming he even keeps playing at his current level for the first half of his contract which we are just assuming to be the case). We are just left "hoping" that Miller doesn't age like other players and can be one of those rare guys who can perform at top line production at 33-37 years old? We don't have 35+ million in cap space that year because we have to sign current players to raises in between now and then. That 36 million is only 9 players signed, no Petterson, no Bo, no Podkolzin, and only two signed D. 35 million in space by then.... Roughly... - $7 million for Bo - $9 million for Petterson - $3 million for Podkolzin Petterson-Miller-Boeser Mikheyev-Horvat-Garland Podkolzin-XX-XX XX-Lazar-XX XX Hughes-XX OEL-XX XX-Poolman XX-XX Demko XX Fill all the XXs with $17 million dollars, it doesn't add up. There isn't some magical world where things suddenly open up that season, we maybe have one prospect on an ELC in Lekkerimaki, the rest we are likely going to have to find on the free agent market and pay full retail rate for... including finding two top 4 RHD somehow = $17 million left with only 14 players signed and another 10-11 players needing to be signed. Those numbers are probably even pretty conservative as unfortunately that is exactly the timeframe that the cap is expected to make a big jump so bidding on free agents to fill the holes that we have no prospects to fill is going to be really expensive. Maybe Rathbone is good enough and can be had for a $4 million bridge contract and save a couple million vs. a UFA top 4 D who will cost you $6 million.... but that still doesn't make the math work for us to suddenly start getting better. that is going to be treading water at best. Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol Yep and you’re more likely to get good value for those players if they’re playing on a deep team and have their stats inflated. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, Taphouse Canuck said: Is anyone else having trouble playing the JTM video from the home page? Works fine for me. How about this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goal:thecup Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Taphouse Canuck said: Is anyone else having trouble playing the JTM video from the home page? Just the Trade Millers folks perhaps.. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Guys can be traded for younger assets as needed. Everyone else does it every year lol Wait... now you are completely changing gears. We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them? The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets? Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years? Myers? Pearson? Schenn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Provost said: Wait... now you are completely changing gears. We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them? The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets? Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years? Myers? Pearson? Schenn? Depends what your definition of young is I guess. In a couple years when Petey is due for a raise Boeser and Garland will be 27 and 28. Do we trade them for a 22/23 year old on an ELC? Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The year is 2029. The Canucks have just missed the playoffs. This thread has now reached 4,000 pages. We are now debating whether or not to keep J.T. Miller for the final year of his contract. At the same time, some members are still quoting posts from the year 2022 to prove their points. The year is 2029. The Canucks have just won the Stanley Cup 5 times. This thread has now reached 4,000 pages. We are now treating this thread as a "Burrows, do we really need him?" sequel. At the same time, some members are still quoting posts from the year 2022 to brag to the people who thought Miller should have been traded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Shayster007 said: Feel ya. I would personally rather see Horvat put into that position then Miller myself. More center experience and it's just always been the type of player I envisioned Horvat succeeding as. Me too for me its the wingers who I anticipate with each centre Im sure they will both have their go at it throughout the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Provost said: They did say the plan, they also talked about getting younger to get players who fit that timeframe to compete for a long time starting then and having to make "unemotional decisions" this summer on Miller. They signed Miller in the end, and if the plan is still to really be ready 2-3 years from now, then the current regime is as bad as Benning and the Miller signing was downright stupid as it goes against their plan. I really hope that isn't the case. The expected best years for Miller will be in that exact timeframe, with the downside likely starting 3-4 years from now (assuming he even keeps playing at his current level for the first half of his contract which we are just assuming to be the case). We are just left "hoping" that Miller doesn't age like other players and can be one of those rare guys who can perform at top line production at 33-37 years old? We don't have 35+ million in cap space that year because we have to sign current players to raises in between now and then. That 36 million is only 9 players signed, no Petterson, no Bo, no Podkolzin, and only two signed D. 35 million in space by then.... Roughly... - $7 million for Bo - $9 million for Petterson - $3 million for Podkolzin Petterson-Miller-Boeser Mikheyev-Horvat-Garland Podkolzin-XX-XX XX-Lazar-XX XX Hughes-XX OEL-XX XX-Poolman XX-XX Demko XX Fill all the XXs with $17 million dollars, it doesn't add up. There isn't some magical world where things suddenly open up that season, we maybe have one prospect on an ELC in Lekkerimaki, the rest we are likely going to have to find on the free agent market and pay full retail rate for... including finding two top 4 RHD somehow = $17 million left with only 14 players signed and another 10-11 players needing to be signed. Those numbers are probably even pretty conservative as unfortunately that is exactly the timeframe that the cap is expected to make a big jump so bidding on free agents to fill the holes that we have no prospects to fill is going to be really expensive. Maybe Rathbone is good enough and can be had for a $4 million bridge contract and save a couple million vs. a UFA top 4 D who will cost you $6 million.... but that still doesn't make the math work for us to suddenly start getting better. that is going to be treading water at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Provost said: Wait... now you are completely changing gears. We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? Yes. (And, settle down.) 3 minutes ago, Provost said: What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them? Good point; we don't have to get it done tonight. Also, I suggest you watch the upcoming tourney and training camp and add your perspective there. The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets? Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years? Myers? Pearson? Schenn? Again, relax, get some rest, it is not the end of the world that Miller re-signed; mngt has lots of time now, though, because he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Provost said: Wait... now you are completely changing gears. We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them? The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets? Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years? Myers? Pearson? Schenn? As the few young guys come up and push for roster spots, the roster players could be moved to give room im looking at Boeser, Garland, Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Dermott Youre a smart guy Provost, no need for an aggressive post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Works fine for me. How about this? He looks good. Arms look thick, help for them nice slappers he's gonna be burying. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 We also have those two young Swedish forwards coming up, at some point they can take a spot from someone, and so on. It's the nature of the game, Burkie said, "everyone on the team took a spot from someone else". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 46 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said: Signing Miller, adding the two good Russians increases the Canucks odds of making the playoffs by 50%. Will be very exciting season. Curious how you came to that 50% increase. But not really. 60% of the time online stats are made up 100% of the time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Provost said: Wait... now you are completely changing gears. We should sign an older Miller to help us win in the next couple years, and at the same time trade some older players to also get younger? What players exactly are these that have enough value to bring in young players and don't just result in us needing to replace them? The players under contract for your magical year with lots of cap space are: Miller, Boeser, OEL, Hughes, Demko, Lazar, Mikheyev, Garland, Poolman... which if those older players is going to return us good younger assets? Which current older players that we have will return us something that will be play at the top of our lineup in 3 years? Myers? Pearson? Schenn? Newsflash: Not we "should sign...".....we DID sign. It's over/done. Why not just sit back and enjoy the ride for awhile? You know accept the things you cannot change. This fanbase is always screaming about something and I'm starting to think it's more about that than their actual hockey knowledge. "Discontent". We have a lot of reason to be excited and a wait and see approach is likely the best one at this point. 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, bishopshodan said: He looks good. Arms look thick, help for them nice slappers he's gonna be burying. He sure does. Gonna have all kinds of new Dad energy and motivation. Can hardly wait until he laces them up again. We're gonna have such a great year. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Angry Goose Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 You know what, Im not as worried about JTM’s contract taking a nose dive. You look at Marchand/Bergeron/Ovi etc. and those guys can definitely still play but more importantly are key PP guys like Miller is. I think he will figure out how to be a contributor later into his career if you want to be optimistic about it. If he does age poorly then I guess it was a bad gamble, but Id lean on JT being a proven competitor like the guys above. The next 3 years of drafting/amateur development will be key. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Bo not being good at it isn’t true at all though. Actually, that is true. Bo takes on that defensive role (D zone face offs and matchup) but he’s not good at it. He’s just one of those guys who will play the role asked of him. That’s part of why he’s Captain. Other players see B9 playing a role not best suited for him and respect that. Miller, on the other hand, has the skills to be a very good shutdown centre (as others have suggested here) but isn’t yet taking no on that responsibility. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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