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20 hours ago, Coconuts said:

In all seriousness it's not as bad as I thought it'd be contract wise, but I'm not a fan of the term. Looks like it was probably Miller's side that caved. 

 

But no, I'm not a Miller fan and I'm still skeptical of this contract and his ability to play up to it for the duration of it. I'm not here to rain on people's parade but I'm not obligated to like anything, if others want to that's fine. 

 

Realistically I won't be here as much or following the team as closely and I've already begun to care less since deciding to step back from hockey, which is why I wasn't in the Miller thread as much. 

If the Canucks win a cup in the next 4 years I don’t think fans will care if Miller is living up to his contract on the tail end of the last 3 years.  

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6 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

If the Canucks win a cup in the next 4 years I don’t think fans will care if Miller is living up to his contract on the tail end of the last 3 years.  

I'll take a decade of suffering and 200 days straight of rain if we win a cup! 

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Some people are convinced the only way to

build a contender is by collecting 2nd round picks.


Hey I’m not disagreeing with you in the slightest but once in a blue moon a couple of second round picks allows someone like this to fall into your lap…

 


 

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45 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Well they explored the option of getting a RHD for Miller and there were no realistic ones available. So to the crowd that said we should have traded him for one, that clearly wasn’t an option.

 

So then if people wanna argue well we could have used his cap space to acquire one, the question again comes down to with what assets? We don’t have the assets available to acquire a young RHD, and based on recent transactions Marino and Romanov were the only ones available. Would they be the difference makers for us?

 

Which is why I say with or without Miller the same problem would have existed. And the only way to solve it would be to trade pieces we can’t afford to trade or overpay a 28 year old on free agency. Neither are good options for building for the future.

 

This is why you draft and develop D men. And why that’s really the only way out of this problem for us. We’re gonna need to hit on another high end defenseman in the draft and hope that they can come in and play a big role at 21 like Hughes did.

Don't disagree with us drafting a Dman, but think we can agree Dmen takes time to develop, and that's were the problem of drafting a Dman comes into play.

I wanted us to draft a d-Man at the last draft Lien Bischel, who was drafted 3 spots after Lekkerimaki... Not because I don't think Lekkerimaki will be a great player (or at least hope he will) but for the exact reason you just mentioned. 

 

Management has extended J T Miller, which is great, but also by that chosen the way forward. And by the time we have a RHD ready to compete and play like a proper top 2-3 Dman Miller will be on latter parts of his deal. 

I think they want to compete now and not wait another 4-5 years to get a top RHD (a Top RHD that can defend better than Hughes, will take more than 3 years to develop)... which is why folks have been thinking trade is the way forward.

I always thought Miller was too 'old' to ring in a top RHD like Dobson (said it numerous times, that I thought folks would be disappointed with the return), and if Miller couldn't bring him in none of our wingers can neither. Thus we are looking further down the line like Severson, Marino etc...

And that is ok. Nobody has everything... Management has, as far as I can see, set up us to run with the horses, we have now.

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1 hour ago, JM_ said:

Severson and Zub are free agents next year.... 

Yep and alternatively we may be able to get one of them in a trade, or trade away a winger, to give us cap space to sign one of those. The year after we can look what way to move once Myers contract is up, if we wanna change it.

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4 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Don't disagree with us drafting a Dman, but think we can agree Dmen takes time to develop, and that's were the problem of drafting a Dman comes into play.

I wanted us to draft a d-Man at the last draft Lien Bischel, who was drafted 3 spots after Lekkerimaki... Not because I don't think Lekkerimaki will be a great player (or at least hope he will) but for the exact reason you just mentioned. 

 

Management has extended J T Miller, which is great, but also by that chosen the way forward. And by the time we have a RHD ready to compete and play like a proper top 2-3 Dman Miller will be on latter parts of his deal. 

I think they want to compete now and not wait another 4-5 years to get a top RHD (a Top RHD that can defend better than Hughes, will take more than 3 years to develop)... which is why folks have been thinking trade is the way forward.

I always thought Miller was too 'old' to ring in a top RHD like Dobson (said it numerous times, that I thought folks would be disappointed with the return), and if Miller couldn't bring him in none of our wingers can neither. Thus we are looking further down the line like Severson, Marino etc...

And that is ok. Nobody has everything... Management has, as far as I can see, set up us to run with the horses, we have now.

I really wanted Bischel as well.

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55 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

I am 'giving it' to a few posters not because of their views going forward, but for the way they openly ridiculed anyone that didn't go along with their views, and now they are getting a chance to see they are not the be all end all and their forward view is not the only one, and in fact was flat out wrong.

 

It should be humbling to go over their own posts and see their crappy comments to others, who ended up being right all along.

If they feel alienation, that's on them, everybody is welcome back on the bus, as long as they have learned to respect others' opinions.

 

No need to name names; they know who they are; and CDC is a much better place now that they have been kicked off their high horses.

This forum is for Canucks fans; and there are rules about abusing Canucks fans; lighten up and respect others and there's lots of room on the bus.

 

GO CANUCKS GO!  HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN! 

WHAT A TEAM WE HAVE!  DROP THE PUCK!

I'm on the bus amigo... think you know that.

 

Now lets win some flipping games :towel:

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1 hour ago, Goal:thecup said:

Nope; thought it was disgusting and disrespectful.

And it turned out he was disgusting and disrespectful with his behaviour.

The opposite of leadership.

that was a joke...

but thanks for playing along

 

do you feel the same way about Burrows?

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I think last year's training camp (with Green) was a wake-up call for OEL. And now with the expectations of the management and coaching staff, team mates, I'm hoping he comes to camp in the best shape of his life and is ready. A bounce back season, solid D and contributes more offensively.

 

Rathbone is a good young Dman, and who knows how he'll do this year.  

 

Dermott was pretty solid last year and will be here for camp with his ex-team mate Mikheyev. 

 

IMO, Myers concerns me. His salary is a bit high, he's a liability at times (penalties) and he doesn't produce or use his size well. Maybe we'll see a Myers trade?

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21 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Don't disagree with us drafting a Dman, but think we can agree Dmen takes time to develop, and that's were the problem of drafting a Dman comes into play.

I wanted us to draft a d-Man at the last draft Lien Bischel, who was drafted 3 spots after Lekkerimaki... Not because I don't think Lekkerimaki will be a great player (or at least hope he will) but for the exact reason you just mentioned. 

 

Management has extended J T Miller, which is great, but also by that chosen the way forward. And by the time we have a RHD ready to compete and play like a proper top 2-3 Dman Miller will be on latter parts of his deal. 

I think they want to compete now and not wait another 4-5 years to get a top RHD (a Top RHD that can defend better than Hughes, will take more than 3 years to develop)... which is why folks have been thinking trade is the way forward.

I always thought Miller was too 'old' to ring in a top RHD like Dobson (said it numerous times, that I thought folks would be disappointed with the return), and if Miller couldn't bring him in none of our wingers can neither. Thus we are looking further down the line like Severson, Marino etc...

And that is ok. Nobody has everything... Management has, as far as I can see, set up us to run with the horses, we have now.

Totally agree.

We may use stop gap methods on D for the foreseeable future and do our best when injuries inevitably occur, but I would have no issue with PA/JR trading out a couple picks (2nds and 3rds) or depth F to acquire even some RHDman depth in the event we get sidelined. I’m not talking the prized piece, but soldiers who will carry us through.


Hopefully DeHaan is one of those guys we can obtain for just contract. 
Will be interesting to see if we can poach anyone off waivers this year too.

 

Regardless, really want to see us add a few pieces on the backend. Keeper will need this year to re-acclimate to the game after injury. Juulsen may provide some flexibility. But I’m hoping for guys with a few more NHL games under their belt. It would benefit us greatly, imho

 

All I can say is that I’m friggin excited about all of it. Sooo happy JTM is back, this team has the depth upfront it has now…

there’s nothing better for a fan than feeling like you really can compete. 

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14 minutes ago, Muttley said:

The emergency 650am broadcast on the JT Miller extension. Yah, I'd say they were caught by surprise. They even snagged an unprepared Elliotte Friedman.             

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/cap-comparable-putting-j-t-millers-canucks-extension-into-context/

Gotta love when us on the west pull off something that the east is unaware!

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19 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Yep and alternatively we may be able to get one of them in a trade, or trade away a winger, to give us cap space to sign one of those. The year after we can look what way to move once Myers contract is up, if we wanna change it.

Zub Luv !

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12 minutes ago, lmm said:

that was a joke...

but thanks for playing along

 

do you feel the same way about Burrows?

You have a weird sense of humour; but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; as in "You got me."

How do you figure Burr as the same as Kesler?

Was he posing naked?  Hitt'n on teammates' wives?

 

Back to the future:  and the future is, JT Miller!  (Signed; not traded.)(Not a rumour either.)

 

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1 hour ago, spook007 said:

Yes and no.... 1200 pages about that...

Yes the problem is still the same, and it was either keep Miller and hope he matures well, or take the scraps as you suggests.

 

I've been the fence the whole time, and am just happy its sorted.

But for the folks that saw Millers future elsewhere, it was about A: whether he matures well, and B: What do we have that can help us get a RHD... 

 

And those were legit questions and still are...  However leaving it all in a limbo, would have been the worst going into the season. All the talk about TDL trades etc. could have destroyed confidence amongst the remain part of the team, and possibly also swayed Horvats hand towards leaving. 

 

Regardless that's all irrelevant now, but I think some people here is alienating some of the fans for having a different view of going forward.

Don't get fooled by JR/PA saying they were always going to sign Miller... but lets just be glad they did. If they had gotten a good deal involving Dobson or the likes, its not a foregone conclusion Miller would have been a Canuck now. They didn't, and he is, and I for one am looking towards the future with happiness.

Could have gone either way for sure, and could have been a good thing either way depending ...  This is a good outcome, and probably the best one for maintaining team morale.  In the end, the only people who need to go on time out are the ones who were certain that he would never re-sign with us despite his many statements to the contrary during this saga.  They were flat out wrong and need to own it.

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10 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

You have a weird sense of humour; but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; as in "You got me."

How do you figure Burr as the same as Kesler?

Was he posing naked?  Hitt'n on teammates' wives?

 

Back to the future:  and the future is, JT Miller!  (Signed; not traded.)(Not a rumour either.)

 

I do have a weird sense of humour

I just  stubbled upon GG Allen yesterday, (via Carmelita...Warren Zevon, to GG covering ) I laughed my shorts off at some of his Shizzizzle

I thought Naked Kesler was funny too

 

when I think of Kes and Burr, I think of "Say hi to Kelly" they were thick as thieves on that one

 

back to Miller, I am happy about Miller being back 

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