nameci Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) It is no secret that a number of teams, including the Canucks, are trying to bolster their RHD corps Fortunately, the Canucks have an abundance of quality forwards to offer in trade. While I liked the recent DeMelo proposal, it comes down the whether or not the other team is motivated to make the trade with us. There are two teams, however, who seem to have an abundance of RHD which they might well be interested in moving. There has been a fair amount of Damon Severson this trade talk and I think that the Devils might be willing to move on from his contract. With the John Marino trade, Severson is projected to be a third pairing defenceman who would be making almost 4.2 million for the upcoming season before becoming a UFA the following year. So the Devils might be quite interested in moving him. In return, I would begin the trade discussion by offering Hoglander+. If the Devils were more interested in acquiring Garland, the Canucks could counter with Severson and a prospect or pick. The Carolina Hurricanes also have a surplus of RHD and might well be receptive to a Conor Garland for Brett Pesce proposal from the Canucks. Pesce is a little older than Garland, but is a solid, defence-first, defenceman who would look awfully good playing beside Quinn Hughes. Edited September 6, 2022 by nameci Forgot tag 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 I think Garland for Severson and a 3rd would be a fair trade. Garland is signed for a great cap number for 3 more years, Severson is a UFA after this year. The 3rd would leave us with something if Severson walks. Hughes Severson OEL Myers Dermott Schenn Rathbone Poolman That is a solid top 4 with some pretty good depth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 I think we'd have to add (instead of the team getting an additional pick) to get Severson. Regardless of his contract status, Severson plays the most minutes on Jersey. As much as I like Garland, wingers don't hold nearly as much value as defensemen (especially one of Severson's ability). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 10 hours ago, nameci said: It is no secret that a number of teams, including the Canucks, are trying to bolster their RHD corps Fortunately, the Canucks have an abundance of quality forwards to offer in trade. While I liked the recent DeMelo proposal, it comes down the whether or not the other team is motivated to make the trade with us. There are two teams, however, who seem to have an abundance of RHD which they might well be interested in moving. There has been a fair amount of Damon Severson this trade talk and I think that the Devils might be willing to move on from his contract. With the John Marino trade, Severson is projected to be a third pairing defenceman who would be making almost 4.2 million for the upcoming season before becoming a UFA the following year. So the Devils might be quite interested in moving him. In return, I would begin the trade discussion by offering Hoglander+. If the Devils were more interested in acquiring Garland, the Canucks could counter with Severson and a prospect or pick. The Carolina Hurricanes also have a surplus of RHD and might well be receptive to a Conor Garland for Brett Pesce proposal from the Canucks. Pesce is a little older than Garland, but is a solid, defence-first, defenceman who would look awfully good playing beside Quinn Hughes. I've never heard of a 3rd pairing defenseman who plays the most minutes on his team at 23:36 per game. I get the point you were trying to make, and yes Severson is expendable, and very likely available, but he's still their number one D, and they're not going to move him straight across for Garland (a forward who only had 6 more points last year), let alone add in a such a deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 What about Hoglander to Ottawa for Lassi Thomson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameci Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 What is Ottawa’s incentive to make this trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameci Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 6 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: I've never heard of a 3rd pairing defenseman who plays the most minutes on his team at 23:36 per game. I get the point you were trying to make, and yes Severson is expendable, and very likely available, but he's still their number one D, and they're not going to move him straight across for Garland (a forward who only had 6 more points last year), let alone add in a such a deal. A solid case can be made that Severson is not the Devil’s number one RHD. While he does in fact have the higher time on ice, I think the Devils would consider their nine million dollar cap hit, Dougie Hamilton to be their number one RHD. So who would fill the second and third pairing RHD roles, Severson or Marino? They just traded for Marino, who played 25 min/game for Pittsburgh last season and carries a cap hit of 4.4 million. The Devils obviously have plans for Marino to take over the second pairing from Severson (23:36/game) who carries a cap hit of 4.2 million, was a minus 14 last season (minus 129 for his career) and is a UFA at the end of next season. So whoever is the third pairing RHD in Jersey next season will carry a cap hit of at least 4.2 million/season and I am sure that the Devils want to clear that bloated cap hit. I think that Severson is available and that the Devils are motivated to move him and the more motivated a team is to make the trade, the better chance the trading partner has acquire the player at a discounted price. Lost in this discussion is the fact that I am not a fan of Severson who I feel is a tire fire in his own end. I think the Canucks would be much more solid in the back end with Brett Pesce as Quinn’s partner. Carolina has five NHL calibre RHD on their roster and they may be motivated to entertain a Garland for Pesce swap and while I think Luke Schenn is a valuable member of the Canucks, inserting Pesce in his spot on the first pairing would be a massive upgrade. Thank you for your response to my proposal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I think of the coaching, the forwards, the goaltending, and I believe they could go all the way. But then I think of the D, with Poolman, Dermott, Myers. They're okay players, but I don't believe they're championship caliber. Ekman-Larsson Hughes Schenn Burroughs Rathbone IMO, these are the D that could get them there, and maybe if they add a Severson, Carlo, Mayfield or Pesce, they might do some damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I think of the coaching, the forwards, the goaltending, and I believe they could go all the way. But then I think of the D, with Poolman, Dermott, Myers. They're okay players, but I don't believe they're championship caliber. Ekman-Larsson Hughes Schenn Burroughs Rathbone IMO, these are the D that could get them there, and maybe if they add a Severson, Carlo, Mayfield or Pesce, they might do some damage. Was it 2010 that Gillis added Errhof and Hamhuis? If we could get a guy like Hamhuis (but right side) that would be huge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: Was it 2010 that Gillis added Errhof and Hamhuis? If we could get a guy like Hamhuis (but right side) that would be huge. Filip Johansson's salary is $842,500 and his cap hit is $883,750 for the 2022-23 season. His salary is comprised of $92,500 in signing bonuses and $750,000 in base salary. He is a 22 year old right defense who was born on Mar. 23, 2000. He was drafted 24th overall by the Minnesota Wild in the 1st round of the 2018 entry draft. He has signed 1 contract worth a total value of $1,850,000. He will be a RFA at the end of the 2023-24 season when he is 24 years old. Can Filip level up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 9 hours ago, nameci said: What is Ottawa’s incentive to make this trade? they get a skilled player who has proven he can play top 9 in the NHL at a very young age. Ottawa has 3 NHL right D already and Bernard Docker I think it is who is also a lefty. I just want to see the Canucks get a young RHD that the Kelowna Rockets have produced over the years...NOT later in their career past their prime but to draft or acquire in a young player swap. Canucks could add a prospect in the deal as well, Dipietro is the logical choice but unsure if Ottawa needs a depth G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 22 hours ago, nameci said: It is no secret that a number of teams, including the Canucks, are trying to bolster their RHD corps Fortunately, the Canucks have an abundance of quality forwards to offer in trade. While I liked the recent DeMelo proposal, it comes down the whether or not the other team is motivated to make the trade with us. There are two teams, however, who seem to have an abundance of RHD which they might well be interested in moving. There has been a fair amount of Damon Severson this trade talk and I think that the Devils might be willing to move on from his contract. With the John Marino trade, Severson is projected to be a third pairing defenceman who would be making almost 4.2 million for the upcoming season before becoming a UFA the following year. So the Devils might be quite interested in moving him. In return, I would begin the trade discussion by offering Hoglander+. If the Devils were more interested in acquiring Garland, the Canucks could counter with Severson and a prospect or pick. The Carolina Hurricanes also have a surplus of RHD and might well be receptive to a Conor Garland for Brett Pesce proposal from the Canucks. Pesce is a little older than Garland, but is a solid, defence-first, defenceman who would look awfully good playing beside Quinn Hughes. Pesce is definitely one of the two guys Vancouver should be targeting… I’d argue the other is Montour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Was it 2010 that Gillis added Errhof and Hamhuis? If we could get a guy like Hamhuis (but right side) that would be huge. Ehrhoff was acquired the season before (2009-10 season). Hamhuis was signed in the 2010 off-season. Gillis also signed an undrafted prospect named Christopher Tanev in 2010 off-season. For a GM that inherited a finished core, I guess he actually did something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameci Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 According to the latest Hockey News publication, Lassi Thompson is tenth on the Senators’ depth chart and their fifth rated prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 hours ago, nameci said: A solid case can be made that Severson is not the Devil’s number one RHD. While he does in fact have the higher time on ice, I think the Devils would consider their nine million dollar cap hit, Dougie Hamilton to be their number one RHD. So who would fill the second and third pairing RHD roles, Severson or Marino? They just traded for Marino, who played 25 min/game for Pittsburgh last season and carries a cap hit of 4.4 million. The Devils obviously have plans for Marino to take over the second pairing from Severson (23:36/game) who carries a cap hit of 4.2 million, was a minus 14 last season (minus 129 for his career) and is a UFA at the end of next season. So whoever is the third pairing RHD in Jersey next season will carry a cap hit of at least 4.2 million/season and I am sure that the Devils want to clear that bloated cap hit. I think that Severson is available and that the Devils are motivated to move him and the more motivated a team is to make the trade, the better chance the trading partner has acquire the player at a discounted price. Lost in this discussion is the fact that I am not a fan of Severson who I feel is a tire fire in his own end. I think the Canucks would be much more solid in the back end with Brett Pesce as Quinn’s partner. Carolina has five NHL calibre RHD on their roster and they may be motivated to entertain a Garland for Pesce swap and while I think Luke Schenn is a valuable member of the Canucks, inserting Pesce in his spot on the first pairing would be a massive upgrade. Thank you for your response to my proposal. Well the first question would be, what do you mean by "the Devils" when you ask who the Devils consider their number one defenseman. I know what you're getting at, but according to coach Lindy Ruff, who will be returning this year, it is pretty clearly Severson, whose 23:36 was not only substantially higher than Hamilton's average last season, but was in fact more than Hamilton's career high of 23:17 from '19/'20. Throughout his career Hamilton has pretty consistently been a 21-22 minute defenseman because as effective as he is offensively, he's always been pretty average defensively. Actually he was pretty bad defensively earlier in his career, but has developed to about average. If you truly believe +/- is the definitive (or even a worthwhile) stat for comparing defensemen, well, that's your prerogative, but the analytics look pretty clear to me that Severson is the better defensive defenseman. Not saying it is by a drastic margin, but it looks clear enough. Neither is elite in their own end, but Hamilton is about average while Severson is well above average. John Marino played 20:38 last season, just down from his career high of 20:44 the previous year. No idea where you got this 25 minutes per game from. I like Marino. I'd say from a defensive perspective, he and Severson are pretty similar at this stage in their careers. This tells me the younger and less experienced Marino will likely surpass Severson in this regard in the near future, but given Severson's vast superiority on the offensive side of things, there's really no comparison between the two overall. They're not "motivated" to move Severson per se. Why do you think they added Marino? Because they know they are likely going to have to move Severson at some point (a great move by the way, as they already have the offensive side covered with Hamilton, and Marino will take over as the defensive specialist). But I don't see any reason for them to take a loss in value on him. When you have a player who's going to be as high-demand as Severson will be - elite skating right shot D, exceptional in all three zones, plays 2+ minutes per game each on the PK and PP (one of only 11 such defensemen last season) - you can bet they'll have no difficulty getting fair value for him. As for the Pesce thing I don't really know what to say. I guess if you mean relative to trade return and future cap-hit, maybe it could make sense to prefer Pesce (Severson is gonna get paid), but if you are trying to say Pesce is straight-up the better defenseman, well... I don't know what to tell you man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 12 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: What about Hoglander to Ottawa for Lassi Thomson? Sens fan saying no thanks. After adding Giroux and DeBrincat the Sens are looking stacked up front, and are hurting for defensemen on the right side at least as bad as the Canucks are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I think of the coaching, the forwards, the goaltending, and I believe they could go all the way. But then I think of the D, with Poolman, Dermott, Myers. They're okay players, but I don't believe they're championship caliber. Ekman-Larsson Hughes Schenn Burroughs Rathbone IMO, these are the D that could get them there, and maybe if they add a Severson, Carlo, Mayfield or Pesce, they might do some damage. I love how everyone on here (well not everyone) makes fun of the Leafs D. The Canucks trade for a guy that CAN'T make the Leafs, and he is somehow good. Definitely not championship material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 11 hours ago, nameci said: Carolina has five NHL calibre RHD on their roster and they may be motivated to entertain a Garland for Pesce swap Realistically Coghlan, Bear and Chatfield are not top 4 Dmen, especially on a contender like Carolina. Coghlan is likely their 3rd pairing RD and Chatfield is there for depth only. I suspect Bear is a spare part in CAR and they are trying to move him and bring up a LD like Lagesson or Lajoie on $750k instead of Bear's $2.2m. Hence Pesce is a very important top 4 Dman in Carolina. They will not be motivated to move him. He is critical to their intention to contend for the Cup. Garland is good but CAR already has a very deep forward group and no real need for Garland. Also need to factor in that CAR is looking to move out cap (esp Gardiner, Bear) so they can be cap compliant when Pacioretty returns from LTIR. All this means I don't think there is a good fit for CAR to trade Pesce for Garland (as much as I'd love Pesce on our roster!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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