[Signing] Senators re-sign Tim Stutzle

[-Vintage Canuck-]

AAV: $8.35 AAV

 

 

[Devron]

Crazy times 

[King Heffy]

That's likely to be fantastic value near the end of the contract.

[Fanuck]

Paying now for future production seems to be the trend in the NHL these days to keep players under team control.  Quite a different philosophy from paying guys for what they did in the past. 

[Warhippy]

I get the player.  I get the reasoning and I think over time he may be worth more than that in terms of fair value.

 

But Gms giving literal kids money like this is handcuffing teams, shutting the 28+ crowd out of the league and will eventually lead to another lockout and labour dispute.  Only this time it will be older player vs younger player because there's only so any spots to go around and quality vets are no longer getting contracts over the age of 29 because the money isn't there

[stawns]

This is crazy.  

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

Jesus Christ monkey balls

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

I get the player.  I get the reasoning and I think over time he may be worth more than that in terms of fair value.

 

But Gms giving literal kids money like this is handcuffing teams, shutting the 28+ crowd out of the league and will eventually lead to another lockout and labour dispute.  Only this time it will be older player vs younger player because there's only so any spots to go around and quality vets are no longer getting contracts over the age of 29 because the money isn't there

I agree.  The whole point of capping out the ELC contract to $925,000 was to stop paying rookies big dollars.  Now they have created a problem with the 2nd contract. 

 

Paying a guy over $8 million for a 58 point season after only 2 years in the NHL is insane to be honest.  Like you said he may very well grow into that contract at some point, but they should be paying these young players on current production, not on what they think will happen 3 years from now.  The reason is because you are taking that money away from the guys that have actually produced to their level and are now at an age of 28 or 29 where they should be getting their payday but their is no money left on the table.

 

I can see a big problem negotiating the next CBA, it will be the young player versus the older player.  Should be interesting how that unfolds...

[Mustard Tiger]

Over payment and WAY TO SOON. can GMs stop trying to save 1m in the long run by ruining the market with these horrible RFA deals.. gawd damn

[DeNiro]

GMs have basically accepted that every long term contract will have poor value at some point.

 

Either you sign a young guy like this where the better value is closer to the end of the contract, or you sign an older player who’s value will be in the first half of the contract.

 

Its a gamble either way but it’s the only way to build a roster in the cap era. I think GMs have seen what teams like Toronto and Edmonton have done and realized it’s very difficult to build a deep roster when you have multiple players making 9-13 million.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by DeNiro

[Mustard Tiger]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

I agree.  The whole point of capping out the ELC contract to $925,000 was to stop paying rookies big dollars.  Now they have created a problem with the 2nd contract. 

 

Paying a guy over $8 million for a 58 point season after only 2 years in the NHL is insane to be honest.  Like you said he may very well grow into that contract at some point, but they should be paying these young players on current production, not on what they think will happen 3 years from now.  The reason is because you are taking that money away from the guys that have actually produced to their level and are now at an age of 28 or 29 where they should be getting their payday but their is no money left on the table.

 

I can see a big problem negotiating the next CBA, it will be the young player versus the older player.  Should be interesting how that unfolds...

Idk why it's soo hard to force RFAs to sign a bridge post ELC. The dollar is whatever I guess. It's the term that's dumb. Zero incentive to prove anything in this league. The only incentive to UFA now is you get to choose where you play to an extent.. lol agents and RFAs.. Piss off lol

[HorvatToBaertschi]

Jesus that's a terrible signing

 

[DeNiro]

Just now, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Jesus that's a terrible signing

 

It is until it isn’t.

 

When the cap rises significantly in a couple years players are going to be looking to cash in.

 

After putting up a couple 70-80 point seasons Stutzle could very well have asked for 10+ million coming out of a bridge deal. 
 

That’s the gamble. If you believe in the player though and plan for them to be part of your future, these deals often look good in the long run.

 

My problem with them is more so on the motivation side. When you pay a player too soon sometimes they lose that motivation and incentive to get better. It all depends on their character though.

[Westcoastcanucks777]

Someone is partying hard in Germany tonight!

[Sharpshooter]

4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

It is until it isn’t.

 

When the cap rises significantly in a couple years players are going to be looking to cash in.

 

After putting up a couple 70-80 point seasons Stutzle could very well have asked for 10+ million coming out of a bridge deal. 
 

That’s the gamble. If you believe in the player though and plan for them to be part of your future, these deals often look good in the long run.

 

My problem with them is more so on the motivation side. When you pay a player too soon sometimes they lose that motivation and incentive to get better. It all depends on their character though.

Personally I think it’s too early to gamble on players. The gamble ought to be, as it has been for most RFA’s, after a few years in the league to see if the player is worth gambling on. 
 

It’s a bit of lunacy to gamble that much based on so relatively little. 
 

 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

11 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

It is until it isn’t.

 

When the cap rises significantly in a couple years players are going to be looking to cash in.

 

After putting up a couple 70-80 point seasons Stutzle could very well have asked for 10+ million coming out of a bridge deal. 
 

That’s the gamble. If you believe in the player though and plan for them to be part of your future, these deals often look good in the long run.

 

My problem with them is more so on the motivation side. When you pay a player too soon sometimes they lose that motivation and incentive to get better. It all depends on their character though.

This is now the 4th player hovering around 8 mil long term. None of them have EVER played a playoff game. This is pathetic. 

 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said:

Personally I think it’s too early to gamble on players. The gamble ought to be, as it has been for most RFA’s, after a few years in the league to see if the player is worth gambling on. 
 

It’s a bit of lunacy to gamble that much based on so relatively little. 
 

 

Time will tell.
 

Really most GMs are just hoping for the best because nobody knows how a player will develop.

 

All you can do is hope that you’ve watched them enough and believe in their character enough that they’ll continue to improve year after year.

 

This deal probably will look much better come year 3 of the contract and then continue to look better and better until he’s 28. At that point everyone will probably be praising Dorion.

[stawns]

18 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Idk why it's soo hard to force RFAs to sign a bridge post ELC. The dollar is whatever I guess. It's the term that's dumb. Zero incentive to prove anything in this league. The only incentive to UFA now is you get to choose where you play to an extent.. lol agents and RFAs.. Piss off lol

Agreed, it's ruining the league, imo.  

[Guest]

We're going to start seeing 10 million dollar deals handed out like candy in the next year or two.  

 

I'm very bullish on Stutzle but this is quite generous. 

[DeNiro]

Just now, HorvatToBaertschi said:

This is now the 4th player hovering around 8 mil long term. None of them have EVER played a playoff game. This is pathetic. 

 

I don’t see playoffs as the standard for why a player should get paid or not. Players aren’t in control of how the GM builds the team around them.

 

Like it or not in todays NHL you’re either paying for future production or past production. Both sides of the coin are a gamble. If you can save a couple mil on your cap down the road that makes a big difference in the cap era. Especially if you do that on multiple contracts. That’s another top 6 forward you can add when you’re ready to contend.