iceman64 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 After seeing some of JR and Al's interviews, they don't seem concerned about signing Bo after signing JT for a hefty raise. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Bridge deal until the salary cap rises as projected in 2 years? I think it could be their thinking or trading off cap space ala Garland etc worst case scenario Ok so if it were a bridge deal what would give him? Same as JT? And back loaded starting after a year into it to take advantage of a higher cap in 2 yrs? I can see that but do you risk it and really have your hands tied if the cap doesn't go up and your options are severely limited? Because then there's Podz and Kuzmenko to sign next year. Well Kuz is still a question mark sort of but Podz will need a big raise for sure. Still chuckling with his shot breaking the arena glass lately... I think the league is about to get a wake up call that Podz has entered the building! Anywayyyyy back to Bo, thoughts? Still holding out that Klim makes it next season and makes things easier on a ELC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted September 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2022 Bo isn't going to accept a bridge deal. He and his agent would balk at that idea. He is coming off a career year, and is a proven commodity. He has been a consistent 50+ point getter, and 20+ goal scorer. Bridge contracts are for mainly players who are unproven commodities. Bo has been consistent and continually improving since entering the league. soon to be a UFA where teams would throw big money for his desirable traits (good leader, excellent on faceoffs, can score big goals in bunches, strong, and plays a premium position). He would garner more money, more term from any team on the open market. It would be an absolute insult to him to ask him to take a bridge deal. Any hint that the team wouldn't want to commit to him, there are teams that will offer more money and more term to solidify his services. This next deal for him will be likely his last big deal of his career, he is going to want to make bank on it. He is in his late 20's, he has a wife and two young kids. He wants security, stability, and a firm understanding what his role/importance to the team. If he hits the open market where teams will likely offer him 6+ years with boat loads of money, he will take the contract that locks himself in long term rather than potentially taking a 2-3 year deal and lose money due to regression in play or injury. He wants to not only set himself up well for his years after hockey, but for his children too. If you had a chance to make 18-20 million vs 50-55 million, pretty sure everyone would take the latter. He is your captain. If you believe he is your guy, you sign him long term. Don't make him doubt where he stands with the team. Players don't like uncertainty, you give Bo any doubt that he may not be that crucial to the club, you risk him looking elsewhere to a place that makes him feel wanted. Remember the remarks, Markstrom, Tanev, Stecher, and Toffoli all made in the summer of 2021, the Canucks management didn't make them feel wanted so they went elsewhere. You offering Bo a bridge deal is a complete insult to him. Since coming to Vancouver, Bo has done A LOT of losing. You can see in the last two season ending meetings, he is fed up with continuously losing. Offering him a bridge after all that he has been through, when he has held up his end of the bargain year after year, he will easily pack his bags and go somewhere else where he thinks he can win and be compensated fairly. Bo and his agent doesn't care whether the cap will rise in the next few years, he won't chance it to wait to see what the landscape is. You either sign him long term or you trade him for an asset(s) to help this team. I know a lot of media and fans are expecting a hometown discount, but don't be surprised that he isn't willing to do that. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Bo isn't going to accept a bridge deal. He and his agent would balk at that idea. He is coming off a career year, and is a proven commodity. He has been a consistent 50+ point getter, and 20+ goal scorer. Bridge contracts are for mainly players who are unproven commodities. Bo has been consistent and continually improving since entering the league. soon to be a UFA where teams would throw big money for his desirable traits (good leader, excellent on faceoffs, can score big goals in bunches, strong, and plays a premium position). He would garner more money, more term from any team on the open market. It would be an absolute insult to him to ask him to take a bridge deal. Any hint that the team wouldn't want to commit to him, there are teams that will offer more money and more term to solidify his services. This next deal for him will be likely his last big deal of his career, he is going to want to make bank on it. He is in his late 20's, he has a wife and two young kids. He wants security, stability, and a firm understanding what his role/importance to the team. If he hits the open market where teams will likely offer him 6+ years with boat loads of money, he will take the contract that locks himself in long term rather than potentially taking a 2-3 year deal and lose money due to regression in play or injury. He wants to not only set himself up well for his years after hockey, but for his children too. If you had a chance to make 18-20 million vs 50-55 million, pretty sure everyone would take the latter. He is your captain. If you believe he is your guy, you sign him long term. Don't make him doubt where he stands with the team. Players don't like uncertainty, you give Bo any doubt that he may not be that crucial to the club, you risk him looking elsewhere to a place that makes him feel wanted. Remember the remarks, Markstrom, Tanev, Stecher, and Toffoli all made in the summer of 2021, the Canucks management didn't make them feel wanted so they went elsewhere. You offering Bo a bridge deal is a complete insult to him. Since coming to Vancouver, Bo has done A LOT of losing. You can see in the last two season ending meetings, he is fed up with continuously losing. Offering him a bridge after all that he has been through, when he has held up his end of the bargain year after year, he will easily pack his bags and go somewhere else where he thinks he can win and be compensated fairly. Bo and his agent doesn't care whether the cap will rise in the next few years, he won't chance it to wait to see what the landscape is. You either sign him long term or you trade him for an asset(s) to help this team. I know a lot of media and fans are expecting a hometown discount, but don't be surprised that he isn't willing to do that. You know I thought of how that could be construed but left it alone, what I meant was a math thing for the cap. Like so.. First year is say 7 mil and it switches to 8-9 whatever over 6-7 years whatever. Follow? Kinda tired.. He'd just get less one year and more every other year for the remainder.. I appreciate all the typing and I don't disagree but I don't think a bridge deal like that is breaking any cba rules... I don't know the cbs rules very well but I think that's just like any other legally Edited September 9, 2022 by iceman64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 lol there's no way bo even considers a bridge... sign a bridge deal and we'll sign you to a higher deal nudge nudge wink wink? so what if he has a career ending injury? what if bo struggles with regular injury and have a drop in production? you still think the canucks will offer him what they promise?? or say well that's unfortunate.. here's a deal for half of what we promise or worse.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush… Bo is a family man, who will take security for his family over magic beans. If we aren’t offering it, there are dozens of other teams who will. However, the team locking up Miller makes a Horvat extension less urgent. If Bo’s camp is asking too much, it gives the Canucks some leverage, and the option to stick to their guns and wait him out a bit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, D-Money said: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush… Bo is a family man, who will take security for his family over magic beans. If we aren’t offering it, there are dozens of other teams who will. However, the team locking up Miller makes a Horvat extension less urgent. If Bo’s camp is asking too much, it gives the Canucks some leverage, and the option to stick to their guns and wait him out a bit. what leverage does it give the team? bo can go similar route.. cut off negotiation after season starts.. and then we are willing to go to the TDL and trade him as a rental?? we just re-signed miller going all in with the current core.. are we going to be trading horvat at the TDL for a prospect and a pick like many were complaining about with the trade miller camp that the prospect and pick won't be ready for years to come if they even pan out? and then you'll say well we freed up cap space.. ok we freed up cap space and now need to replace it with a capable shutdown center.. and some how replace the 1600+ faceoffs on top of fixing the RHD.. so instead of having 1 problem let's create mutliple problems to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: what leverage does it give the team? bo can go similar route.. cut off negotiation after season starts.. and then we are willing to go to the TDL and trade him as a rental?? we just re-signed miller going all in with the current core.. are we going to be trading horvat at the TDL for a prospect and a pick like many were complaining about with the trade miller camp that the prospect and pick won't be ready for years to come if they even pan out? and then you'll say well we freed up cap space.. ok we freed up cap space and now need to replace it with a capable shutdown center.. and some how replace the 1600+ faceoffs on top of fixing the RHD.. so instead of having 1 problem let's create mutliple problems to fix. The team was staring down the possibility of losing BOTH Miller and Horvat for next year. That’s no longer a concern. So yeah, the worst case scenario is off the table, so the team can breathe a little easier. Personally, all along I’ve thought only 1 of Miller or Horvat was staying long term. Management seems to think they can keep both, but obviously not at any cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, D-Money said: The team was staring down the possibility of losing BOTH Miller and Horvat for next year. That’s no longer a concern. So yeah, the worst case scenario is off the table, so the team can breathe a little easier. Personally, all along I’ve thought only 1 of Miller or Horvat was staying long term. Management seems to think they can keep both, but obviously not at any cost. not really there was literally 0 scenario where they lose both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, iceman64 said: After seeing some of JR and Al's interviews, they don't seem concerned about signing Bo after signing JT for a hefty raise. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Bridge deal until the salary cap rises as projected in 2 years? I think it could be their thinking or trading off cap space ala Garland etc worst case scenario Ok so if it were a bridge deal what would give him? Same as JT? And back loaded starting after a year into it to take advantage of a higher cap in 2 yrs? I can see that but do you risk it and really have your hands tied if the cap doesn't go up and your options are severely limited? Because then there's Podz and Kuzmenko to sign next year. Well Kuz is still a question mark sort of but Podz will need a big raise for sure. Still chuckling with his shot breaking the arena glass lately... I think the league is about to get a wake up call that Podz has entered the building! Anywayyyyy back to Bo, thoughts? Still holding out that Klim makes it next season and makes things easier on a ELC.. I might be misunderstanding, but are you saying sign him to a long term contract but with low values at the beginning to 'bridge' the time until the cap goes up? If so, no that won't work. Cap hits are based on AAV of a contract, not what the player actually recieves that year. If that's not what you mean and you just want to sign him to a short contract at a low value, as others have said, why would Bo do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 7 hours ago, iceman64 said: After seeing some of JR and Al's interviews, they don't seem concerned about signing Bo after signing JT for a hefty raise. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Bridge deal until the salary cap rises as projected in 2 years? Can't really see this happening, Bo has a built in 'bridge' already - wait one year and test free agency in a year with RoR and Larkin setting high bars. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 7 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Bo isn't going to accept a bridge deal. He and his agent would balk at that idea. He is coming off a career year, and is a proven commodity. He has been a consistent 50+ point getter, and 20+ goal scorer. Bridge contracts are for mainly players who are unproven commodities. Bo has been consistent and continually improving since entering the league. soon to be a UFA where teams would throw big money for his desirable traits (good leader, excellent on faceoffs, can score big goals in bunches, strong, and plays a premium position). He would garner more money, more term from any team on the open market. It would be an absolute insult to him to ask him to take a bridge deal. Any hint that the team wouldn't want to commit to him, there are teams that will offer more money and more term to solidify his services. This next deal for him will be likely his last big deal of his career, he is going to want to make bank on it. He is in his late 20's, he has a wife and two young kids. He wants security, stability, and a firm understanding what his role/importance to the team. If he hits the open market where teams will likely offer him 6+ years with boat loads of money, he will take the contract that locks himself in long term rather than potentially taking a 2-3 year deal and lose money due to regression in play or injury. He wants to not only set himself up well for his years after hockey, but for his children too. If you had a chance to make 18-20 million vs 50-55 million, pretty sure everyone would take the latter. He is your captain. If you believe he is your guy, you sign him long term. Don't make him doubt where he stands with the team. Players don't like uncertainty, you give Bo any doubt that he may not be that crucial to the club, you risk him looking elsewhere to a place that makes him feel wanted. Remember the remarks, Markstrom, Tanev, Stecher, and Toffoli all made in the summer of 2021, the Canucks management didn't make them feel wanted so they went elsewhere. You offering Bo a bridge deal is a complete insult to him. Since coming to Vancouver, Bo has done A LOT of losing. You can see in the last two season ending meetings, he is fed up with continuously losing. Offering him a bridge after all that he has been through, when he has held up his end of the bargain year after year, he will easily pack his bags and go somewhere else where he thinks he can win and be compensated fairly. Bo and his agent doesn't care whether the cap will rise in the next few years, he won't chance it to wait to see what the landscape is. You either sign him long term or you trade him for an asset(s) to help this team. I know a lot of media and fans are expecting a hometown discount, but don't be surprised that he isn't willing to do that. Agree... Imagine he gets an injury or a poor season (don't think so)... He needs to get a good contract to secure him now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: not really there was literally 0 scenario where they lose both. No... but now it is Guaranteed. They can take it easier now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Bridge deals are usually given to players coming off their ELC where the cap doesn't work for a big deal or the team isn't convinced enough to commit long-term. Bo is an established player and will go for what he is worth, and it will be a long-term contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I strongly doubt that there will be a bridge deal at this point in his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I'm neither a capologist nor Canucks management material, but I'd be surprised to see anything other than 8 years at $7M. JR/PA will find ways to create the cap space when needed. Bo is no less valuable to this team than JT is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Hmm I would do Bo 8 years @7 or. 7.5 max I don't think Bo's camp would be asking for more than that. If we are Nickle and diming over 500k, I think it's silly. Caps. Gonna go up. Keep the captain happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Bridge to what? Bridge to 30 and being past his prime? No player of Horvat’s abilities would ever take anything less than a long term deal at this stage in his career. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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