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1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Kuzmenko looks like a bit of a prankster, likes to have fun. I'm sure the road trips will be a good time. Wish I knew what he said. Maybe this deserves a caption. 

 

"So, comrade, this is stupid, so I'm going to sneak out the back, okay? Cover for me. (leans in) Thanks"

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18 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Kuzmenko looks like a bit of a prankster, likes to have fun. I'm sure the road trips will be a good time. Wish I knew what he said. Maybe this deserves a caption. 

 

"So, comrade, this is stupid, so I'm going to sneak out the back, okay? Cover for me. (leans in) Thanks"

"I got 2 puck bunnies behind me; let's blow this joint."

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3 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

So what is the definition of systems vs execution?

 

I feel like execution or lack of execution is discussed when the correct strategy is in place and a winger is open but the player fails to execute and makes a poor pass or misses the net etc. 

One could also say failure to execute when TG clearly told the defensemen to pinch up and pressure at their blue line but instead they skate backwards and give up our own blue line rather easily. 

 

While I've read numerous times about BB wanting to play an aggressive high pressure forecheck with D men attacking the opposing blue line, I don't ever recall TG talking about that. 

How do you know that's what TG demanded of the defensemen when we saw no evidence of it throughout his tenure here? 

Schmidt was maybe the only one that played that way and he stuck out like a sore thumb because nobody else did so there was no help. He was on an island and wanted to GTFO to Winnipeg of all places lol. 

The system is the positional structure and foundation within which the players play.  It is, at it's core, who goes where and when.  There are variations and modifications to a specific system, but the core system is still the same.  Each player has a specific purpose within that system and for it to work, each player has to fulfill their specific purpose, if they don't the system breaks down. 

 

Detailed systems are, generally, defensive in nature.......defending in the dzone and forcing turnovers in the nzone and ozone.  Once a team is on the attack, most teams have very loose systems and let players be creative.

 

For example, the box +1 is a defensive zone system that aims to keep the puck on the perimeter by utilizing an even strength "box" similar to a pk, but with the C following the puck and keeping himself between the puck and the net.  It can be modified, in specific circumstances, to become a collapsing strategy, but it is still a "box +1" system.

 

In the offensive zone, most teams use a 2-1-2 system where two players go in on the forecheck and the third player hangs back to cut off a breakout pass or to jump into the slot for a scoring chance in the event of a turnover.  Other teams like a 1-2-2 where they send one player in and hold two fwds back to cut off plays to the boards.

 

The coach develops and deploys the system and the players execute said system.

 

Execution is dependent on players being disciplined in their positional play and aggressive/conswrvative with their energy output depending on the situation.  If the players are undisciplined in their positional play and energy output, it doesn't matter what system you play because it's just going to be a fire drill on the ice.  That's what we saw under Green last season.  He was using the same systems that were successful in the bubble playoffs, but he lost the trust and respect of the players and they were playing undisciplined hockey and did not execute the strategies the way they were designed.

 

BB (and many of the coaches in the league) used the same core systems as TG, but the players bought into what BB was selling and their execution of his systems were excellent.  

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22 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Can we please stop talking about Green and his systems? Such a stupid conversation. You can't see every system and coaching direction through your TV for starters. Green may have sucked but he wasn't deploying some crazy alien systems ffs. He's been coached by very good coaches, better than here, and is using very common systems. I know people have this need to pile endless blame on Green and try to demonize every aspect of his being but holy crap.

 

It's 2022-2023, we are coached by the great BB. Enough already! :frantic:

Or: Its entirely possible that in like every other part of this sport, some coaches are simply not as good as others, which ends up being reflected in their long term record, and others are masters of their craft, which is reflected in THEIR long term record. 
 

 

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43 minutes ago, Muttley said:

 

 

Not me; I'll go >   Ilya Mikheyev — JT Miller — Vasily Podkolzin < for the first line. Pods was working good with JT late last season. Looked like a good fit.

I feel like the way jt tends to meander laterally through the neutral zone would kind of waste mikheyev's speed. I think mikheyev might match up best with bo's north-south style. 

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5 minutes ago, tas said:

I feel like the way jt tends to meander laterally through the neutral zone would kind of waste mikheyev's speed. I think mikheyev might match up best with bo's north-south style. 

Agreed - Garland and Boeser can complement that style of play better. Bo can spring Mikheyev for breakways, and then bang home rebounds, while being the de facto shutdown line.

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13 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

 

Garland-Miller-Boeser

Podkolzin-Petey-Kuzmenko

Pearson-Horvat-Mikheyev
 

Yes I agree. Boudreau said Mikheyev is playing the right side and he likes Garland on the left. Could be challenging having 2 righties on one line and 2 lefties on another but the fit is there I think to at least have one line as a quasi shutdown line while still rolling 3 lines. 
 

I guess Höglander will start in Abby then. He’s not a 4th liner and Boudreau won’t play him there. 

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