Pre-Season [GDT/PGT] Canucks vs/@ Flames (Split Squad) / Sunday, Sept. 25/22 / 4:00 & 5:00 pm

[Locke Lamora]

13 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Surprised ppl aren't jumping on JR for his comments. Seems to echo many of the comments here. 

Great comments on Rathbone also echoed by BB. I think guys like me are expecting too much from this kid. 

I guess it's a win if he canmake the club and play 8-10 min a night. 

Off course JR is going to make public facing comments like this. He is going to say anything that might help push this team forward and quash any notion that the players might rest on their laurels after that great finish to last year. The management team is doing all they can to avoid a tepid start to this season.  “More intensity” comments are pretty much at the top of the Management User Manual. Like us all, JR wants to see progression through the pre-season, both for individuals and in a team sense, especially as cuts are made and the final team roster takes shape.

 

As for Rathbone, I have no expectations other than he has several NHL+++ skills (skating, shot, offensive IQ) that should enable him to become a NHL player for us. How good a player will largely depend on the areas he still needs to improve on. 

[Roberts]

34 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

i like that he speaks truthfully about his players

[Gawdzukes]

10 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

The problem is poor start is a signature of the canucks.. how many times have we seen the team come out with a poor start in the last few seasons? Even after BB came on board we were still plagued by poor start

Yeah, all the time, this team came out poorly from the beginning of the year right to the last games under BB. It's definitely a big problem ... maybe we go with our full line-up in the last 4 pre-season games to work on that, but I don't see how you can work on that or measure it with less than 50% of your team playing.

[CanucksJay]

16 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Thought petey was driving play all night.  Hard not to notice.

Bone was just bad from the getgo.  

Yes Petey was good

Prob 2nd best after Podz.

 

I felt the same way about Bone but then re-evaluated today.  He played 25-26 min and yes there was some scrambly plays but there were also some good ones. 

Not like Myers and Dekeyser looked good out there either.

 

I thought Mysie would be controlling the play but he was just another body out there yesterday.

 

I dont care if we disagree...So good to be talking hockey again

[CanucksJay]

5 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Yeah, all the time, this team came out poorly from the beginning of the year right to the last games under BB. It's definitely a big problem ... maybe we go with our full line-up in the last 4 pre-season games to work on that, but I don't see how you can work on that or measure it with less than 50% of your team playing.

Yeah I see your point and agree. A good start is essential this year.  I would be ok if our last 2-3 games was our full roster and we work to get everyone on the same page by then including how we forecheck, how we move the puck on the PP, how we PK etc

[Muttley]

Be interesting to watch the progress of both Hoglander and Rathbone as it gets past the first month of the season. I point out these two in particular because if they've 

had one problem at various times, it's staying within the confines of what the coaches want. Using ones own creativity is fantastic as long as it never becomes 

disruptive. They're both wonderful skaters and that's how they can take advantage of the moment when it arises.

[iceman64]

13 hours ago, RWJC said:

Maybe light concussion and out for precautionary reasons (hopefully)?

Well hopefully not even a concussion, just his bell rung a bit and like you said team being cautious. 

I played hockey and got hit more than once that I had a headache for a cpl of hours but was fine after that..  I sure hope it's that I've had 2 bad concussions and 2 medium, and a few light ones and countless headache for a cpl hours after head shots in my 5 years of ice hockey in the winter and full gear football for 2 so having more than a few headache grade hits to the noggin is normal and no long-term issues, omg I sure hope it's that and he's back right away.. 

 

 

[Gawdzukes]

11 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Yeah I see your point and agree. A good start is essential this year.  I would be ok if our last 2-3 games was our full roster and we work to get everyone on the same page by then including how we forecheck, how we move the puck on the PP, how we PK etc

I'm thinking we have to see a real effort and full line-up for more than a game or two like a lot of other teams. Otherwise BB is failing to see what's important. I'm not worried ... yet.  Anytime we're missing both QH and OEL in the line-up we might as well fire the game into the sun anyways. Although I actually thought DeKeyser did quite well and will only get better.

 

I also agree with you. It's great to be talking hockey again. It's going to be a long 3 days of waiting for the next one.

[eeeeergh]

3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I'm thinking we have to see a real effort and full line-up for more than a game or two like a lot of other teams. Otherwise BB is failing to see what's important. I'm not worried ... yet.  Anytime we're missing both QH and OEL in the line-up we might as well fire the game into the sun anyways. Although I actually thought DeKeyser did quite well and will only get better.

 

I also agree with you. It's great to be talking hockey again. It's going to be a long 3 days of waiting for the next one.

Yeah I think there's no need for concern - We were missing two of our top-4 defensemen, and the reality is we only have 2 top-4 defensemen, meaning we were playing entirely with bottom pairing guys. 

 

Agreed - I liked DeKeyser, he definitely didn't look that slow or that hes missed a step. 

 

I just read JR's interview from a few days back, and it looks like he considers Poolman to be part of our starting lineup. So this is basically where we're at:

OEL-Hughes
? - Myers
? - Poolman

Its DeKeyser, Rathbone, Dermott, Kalynuk in contention for those two spots I guess.. 

 

[lmm]

2 hours ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

The thing I hate the most about pre season is the knee jerk reactions.

 

It's literally a practice scrimmage.

 

I like pre season cause I want to see chemistry building and I hope to see a young player or 2 show promise. I don't care at all about the results until they matter.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they literally try to take penalties so they can practice the pk lol.

hey, you used "literally" twice 

and they were both literally unnecessary 

the first was literally wrong

and the second was literally redundant

 

but just to play along, who literally tried to take a penalty?

[Jaimito]

 

 

[Angry Goose]

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Edited September 26, 2022 by Angry Goose

[Eddie]

I really like the JR comments. I think most of them were spot on.  Our small, slow team with what is probably our NHL 2nd ands 3rd lines got out played by the bigger hungrier mostly AHL team of CGY, at home, again, like they pretty much have done for the last 10 years, or at least that is what it feels like again. 

 

JR is a winner and winners hate to lose, even in preseason, that is the mindset this group needs IMO.  For all the talk of must win year, this is gonna be our time etc - those sure weren't the performances of a team that really believed or cared about those things. 

[lmm]

3 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

So many people have no clue how the pre-season works and are all worried about the first game. It's hilarious, a bit sad, and a little adorable all at the same time.

 

 

you have just described CDC on a daily basis.

 

I only see one guy riding Rathbone like a mule, otherwise its just  people giving their critiques

 

Ever heard the saying , "You never get a second chance to make a first impression"?

that is all we are really talking about after one split squad game

few on here are saying Calgary is winning the cup and the Canucks are missing the playoffs because of one game

 

Rutherford said Dekeyser looked good but needs to separate himself from the rest

Whoever it is that wins the #4 spot, I hope he plays better than Dekeyser did yesterday, even if its him

 

Personally, I liked what I saw from Petey, Pods and Silovs

not so much from Captain Ho

and am pretty neutral about the rest

 

I did not see the Calgary game, so its good to hear what others think

 

[RU SERIOUS]

7 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

Garland i'm not a big fan of.. he's too small and the way he likes to play along the board he's 1 miss timed yet from being on ltir. people keep praising him about his production last year.. the guy was having a pretty bad season up until april where he got on a streak with 16 points.. he was pretty much just doing 5-6 points per month up until april.. and was on pace to finish below boeser.. 1 good month doesnt make almost the entire season of mediocre production. 

Agree with you on Garland and yes, finishing just below Brock says it all.    Something tells me both those guys better pull their socks up this year or they're "outta here".  Especially BB and i just heard he's broken again. OMG, is he another Salo?

Edited September 26, 2022 by RU SERIOUS
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[RU SERIOUS]

4 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

Silvos is small?  If you consider 6'4 small I guess.

...small frame.

[RU SERIOUS]

3 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

I get that some vets don't give it their all during preseason and its really the prospects that do in order to make the team. 

Unfortunately, our prospect talent looks to be worse than Cgy and we took an L tonight. 

The problem I have is that good teams and good players practice and play hard whenever the step on the ice. They are always prepared to play and they never take losing as ok. 

We battled consistency issues for how long now? When reg season starts, we are a team that really can't afford any nights off. I don't know if players can just flip the switch when reg season starts. 

Last year we saw what a bad start could do to playoff chances. Bruce had the team playing like a top 10 team in the league and we still missed the playoffs. 

2 years ago, when we missed the playoffs, I thought ok, guys learned their lesson. We had a great playoffs in the bubble and guys weren't prepared this year. They'll train hard and turn heads next year. Then last year happened and terrible start under TG pretty much sunk our playoff chances in nov. 

Fast forward to this year under BB. We hear great things out of camp. Guys came in in great shape and team looks to be buzzing. 

We then lay a stinker last night. 

Man, I just want them to make the cuts asap and get the core group to start ramping it up so that we are flying on game 1.

 

 

Yes, I hate to say it but with those injuries to Brock Boeser (going thru surgery and due out until November) and Mikheyev, also out with unknown injuries and that's only after day 1, I'm starting to get nervous and see what looks to be another season start missing key players out of commission. That worries me, as another bad start will be our death-nail agian, as we are essentially a middle of the pack team at best and can't afford key players out.  Fingers crossed we don't suffer more pre-season injuries.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

I really like the JR comments. I think most of them were spot on.  Our small, slow team with what is probably our NHL 2nd ands 3rd lines got out played by the bigger hungrier mostly AHL team of CGY, at home, again, like they pretty much have done for the last 10 years, or at least that is what it feels like again. 

 

JR is a winner and winners hate to lose, even in preseason, that is the mindset this group needs IMO.  For all the talk of must win year, this is gonna be our time etc - those sure weren't the performances of a team that really believed or cared about those things. 

I'm glad JR thinks like some of us here. Funny that no one has yet to call him chicken little and that he should relax because its preseason

 

[RU SERIOUS]

2 hours ago, iceman64 said:

Well hopefully not even a concussion, just his bell rung a bit and like you said team being cautious. 

I played hockey and got hit more than once that I had a headache for a cpl of hours but was fine after that..  I sure hope it's that I've had 2 bad concussions and 2 medium, and a few light ones and countless headache for a cpl hours after head shots in my 5 years of ice hockey in the winter and full gear football for 2 so having more than a few headache grade hits to the noggin is normal and no long-term issues, omg I sure hope it's that and he's back right away.. 

 

 

In the 4-Rinks Beer league you'd guzzle down a beer at the bench, go for a p1ss and you'd be back on the ice after a head shot.   There was no such think as 'Concussion protocol" back in the day.  You'd have to break a leg to pull out of game.