Pre-Season [GDT/PGT] Canucks vs/@ Flames (Split Squad) / Sunday, Sept. 25/22 / 4:00 & 5:00 pm

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, lmm said:

hey, you used "literally" twice 

and they were both literally unnecessary 

the first was literally wrong

and the second was literally redundant

 

but just to play along, who literally tried to take a penalty?

I think that's pretty harsh.  He was literally telling us his take on the game.

All jokes aside, I knew what he was saying. Ppl post with grammatical and spelling issues all the time.  It has become the norm. Time for you to just accept it.

I was floored when a colleague showed me grammarly.  I "literally" said, "Why on earth would someone use that?"

 

Anyway, I thought it was strange of you to pick that post out of 65 pages. 

[stawns]

3 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

I'm not sure what you mean or expect by this statement. They don't need to say anything about the quality of the game itself. What are you looking for in game one of the (split squad) pre-season containing 30% NHL players, with one team dressing only one impact forward, and all AHL goalies, with no reward for winning?

 

A good game.  Pre-season games are always crap and this is the one before the first round of cuts. Did people just start watching hockey yesterday?

it's the gameday thread, of course we're going to talk about the game(s).  IN this case, they were poor games, so of courde we're going to discuss their poor play.

[CanucksJay]

51 minutes ago, lmm said:

you have just described CDC on a daily basis.

 

I only see one guy riding Rathbone like a mule, otherwise its just  people giving their critiques

 

Ever heard the saying , "You never get a second chance to make a first impression"?

that is all we are really talking about after one split squad game

few on here are saying Calgary is winning the cup and the Canucks are missing the playoffs because of one game

 

Rutherford said Dekeyser looked good but needs to separate himself from the rest

Whoever it is that wins the #4 spot, I hope he plays better than Dekeyser did yesterday, even if its him

 

Personally, I liked what I saw from Petey, Pods and Silovs

not so much from Captain Ho

and am pretty neutral about the rest

 

I did not see the Calgary game, so its good to hear what others think

 

I agree with your assessment of the game. Excited to see how the team progresses through camp. I wonder if someone like Miller had played yesterday, would we have seen a more inspired effort from the rest of the team? That being said, who knows? A vet like Miller might have gone through the motions yesterday as well...

 

[CanucksJay]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

it's the gameday thread, of course we're going to talk about the game(s).  IN this case, they were poor games, so of courde we're going to discuss their poor play.

I dont usually agree with you but I dont understand some of the reactions here.

Why can't we say that none of the bubble players stepped up and grabbed the bull by the horns yesterday?  Because it's preseason? What are we allowed to discuss then? 

How great Podz looked? LOL that would be a 3 page thread. 

 

Podz looked great yesterday. He came to camp looking like he's ready to take on a bigger role. /thread

[Gawdzukes]

2 hours ago, eeeeergh said:

Yeah I think there's no need for concern - We were missing two of our top-4 defensemen, and the reality is we only have 2 top-4 defensemen, meaning we were playing entirely with bottom pairing guys. 

 

Agreed - I liked DeKeyser, he definitely didn't look that slow or that hes missed a step. 

 

I just read JR's interview from a few days back, and it looks like he considers Poolman to be part of our starting lineup. So this is basically where we're at:

OEL-Hughes
? - Myers
? - Poolman

Its DeKeyser, Rathbone, Dermott, Kalynuk in contention for those two spots I guess.. 

 

With a bunch of Schenn thrown in there. It's pretty dicey unfortunately. Hopefully Quinn and OEL can play 30 minutes a game.  I'm really hoping Dekeyser can plant himself on the second line. If not ... 

[Dr. Crossbar]

12 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I might not go so far as to say he had a “great game,” but agree with a lot of what you’re saying and I think that that much of the criticism in this thread is overly negative. I think Rathbone had a mixed game, plenty of good, but definitely some bad too. He’s capable of better. But it was preseason game 1 and a split squad and he played something like 25+ minutes. He showed some rust (he freely admitted as much) and made some mistakes. It happens. And he certainly wasn’t the only one (and if I wanted to be negative, he wouldn’t be the first Canuck in my crosshairs, but I’m not looking for scapegoats). Jack will settle down and I expect he’ll get better as the games progress. 

Was at the game yesterday and this is bang on accurate. There were times he looked comfortable and confident in breakouts, seeing the ice well. Other times he got caught behind the play, made little mistakes, and wasn't decisive enough. And it seemed like he was always on the ice ... had a lot of minutes. 

 

But everyone looked off and rusty. It will get better.

[JM_]

22 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

With a bunch of Schenn thrown in there. It's pretty dicey unfortunately. Hopefully Quinn and OEL can play 30 minutes a game.  I'm really hoping Dekeyser can plant himself on the second line. If not ... 

I think once Rathbone settles down a bit he'll be a lot better. He's a good skater and has a decent shot, he just needs time to adjust and calm down to make better decisions, at least that's my take. It was just split squad game 1, lets not panic on him just yet.

 

DD looked OK but I don't see him as a guarantee. 

[eeeeergh]

58 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

With a bunch of Schenn thrown in there. It's pretty dicey unfortunately. Hopefully Quinn and OEL can play 30 minutes a game.  I'm really hoping Dekeyser can plant himself on the second line. If not ... 

Dermott could make a play for it too - he made terrific defensive reads in the brief window we saw him last year, and skates pretty well. We are definitely loaded up on bottom pairing options though haha

[stawns]

36 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I think once Rathbone settles down a bit he'll be a lot better. He's a good skater and has a decent shot, he just needs time to adjust and calm down to make better decisions, at least that's my take. It was just split squad game 1, lets not panic on him just yet.

 

DD looked OK but I don't see him as a guarantee. 

I don't see DD making this team.

 

Rathbone played poorly, imo, but I certainly saw enough glimpses of good stuff to give me hope that he's still going to be an NHL regular at some point.  I'm not sure he's at that point now though.

 

I thought Keeper looked good and is probably the dark horse to be in the lineup and will probably platoon with Burroughs in the 6/7 spots.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Dermott could make a play for it too - he made terrific defensive reads in the brief window we saw him last year, and skates pretty well. We are definitely loaded up on bottom pairing options though haha

I think Dermott is, more or less, a lock to be on the NHL roster

[JM_]

Just now, stawns said:

I don't see DD making this team.

yeah I don't know that he's an upgrade of Dermott in any way. I'd like to see Dermott-Myers for a few games now. 

 

Just now, stawns said:

 

Rathbone played poorly, imo, but I certainly saw enough glimpses of good stuff to give me hope that he's still going to be an NHL regular at some point.  I'm not sure he's at that point now though.

Bruce did put him in a lot of situations, so that was good. He needs the time to get up to speed, if he's still making passing gaffes, etc. in the final preseason game then I'll be worried. 

 

Just now, stawns said:

 

I thought Keeper looked good and is probably the dark horse to be in the lineup and will probably platoon with Burroughs in the 6/7 spots.

that would be a good story. 

 

Loved what we saw from Podz and Garland tho. I think Kuzemko will be a good fit as well. 

 

I'm excited for Hoglander too, he's now got a chance to step up and show what he can do with Brock out. If Hog's can step up now, things could get very interesting on the trade front. 

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

yeah I don't know that he's an upgrade of Dermott in any way. I'd like to see Dermott-Myers for a few games now. 

 

Bruce did put him in a lot of situations, so that was good. He needs the time to get up to speed, if he's still making passing gaffes, etc. in the final preseason game then I'll be worried. 

 

that would be a good story. 

 

Loved what we saw from Podz and Garland tho. I think Kuzemko will be a good fit as well. 

 

I'm excited for Hoglander too, he's now got a chance to step up and show what he can do with Brock out. If Hog's can step up now, things could get very interesting on the trade front. 

I thought Kuz had a good start and then kind of disappeared later on, but that sheer volume of penalties messed with everyone's rhythm I think.  I think Kuz is going to be an easy 20 goal guy and I'm interested to see who he plays with.

 

Podz was the best player, for either team, in both games, imo.  I hope BB uses him as an every situation player, like Bo, Miller and Petey

[JM_]

Just now, stawns said:

I thought Kuz had a good start and then kind of disappeared later on, but that sheer volume of penalties messed with everyone's rhythm I think.  I think Kuz is going to be an easy 20 goal guy and I'm interested to see who he plays with.

yeah the penalties were a bit much. I did like the PK time practice for the team tho. If it were a regular season game I would have been annoyed but this time of year I like to see our guys get as much PK time in as possible. 

 

Just now, stawns said:

 

Podz was the best player, for either team, in both games, imo.  I hope BB uses him as an every situation player, like Bo, Miller and Petey

Look at him now, when he's the ripe old age of 25 and fully developed he's going to be a beast. I hope we can lock him in to a team friendly deal now and skip the bridge stuff with him.

[Canuck Surfer]

4 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

Surprised ppl aren't jumping on JR for his comments. Seems to echo many of the comments here. 

Great comments on Rathbone also echoed by BB. I think guys like me are expecting too much from this kid. 

I guess it's a win if he canmake the club and play 8-10 min a night. 

Rathbone looked pretty good.

 

Like a rookie?  Some mistakes granted, and in a somewhat disjointed pre season game.  He still stood out.

 

His only real problem? He is a PMD on the same team as Quinn Hughes. Quinn (and Makar) are among the most flash PMD's in 20 years, an unrealistic bar.  

 

If Jack is measured on normal terms, he looks great!

 

 

I see a place for him, particularly noting we have a faster more skilled forward group.  His role will be to help push the play. Not clear the crease.

 

Which is also about Bruuuuce setting the right deployment.

 

I think we'll be excited in a few weeks!  

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Rathbone looked pretty good.

 

Like a rookie?  Some mistakes granted, and in a somewhat disjointed pre season game.  He still stood out.

 

His only real problem? He is a PMD on the same team as Quinn Hughes. Quinn (and Makar) are among the most flash PMD's in 20 years, an unrealistic bar.  

 

If Jack is measured on normal terms, he looks great!

 

 

I see a place for him, particularly noting we have a faster more skilled forward group.  His role will be to help push the play. Not clear the crease.

 

Which is also about Bruuuuce setting the right deployment.

 

I think we'll be excited in a few weeks!  

I didn't think so..........his skills are evident and he made some nice individual plays, but he is struggling with his decision making, that's pretty clear.  I think she's still a year away, at least.

[Canuck Surfer]

I like this quote from JR, thanks for posting @-Vintage Canuck-

 

Even though it's pre-season.  Rutherford is already expecting we pay attention to details. Shift length, pace, intensity, puck pressure, structure.

 

To me that he says these things are notable. People pay attention!

 

 

And while mentioned without panic; added the sense of urgency / importance. ''There are still jobs up for grabs!''

[Canuck Surfer]

24 minutes ago, stawns said:

I didn't think so..........his skills are evident and he made some nice individual plays, but he is struggling with his decision making, that's pretty clear.  I think she's still a year away, at least.

U were a defenseman. Know more.

 

I defer to a point. 

[eeeeergh]

21 minutes ago, stawns said:

I didn't think so..........his skills are evident and he made some nice individual plays, but he is struggling with his decision making, that's pretty clear.  I think she's still a year away, at least.

Honestly agree. 

We are desperately short on reliable defensive defensemen (i know we have poolman but his god awful puck handling skills kind of offset his usefulness imo).
Myers had some great offensive plays but was noticeably bad in his d-zone coverage. 

If the Hughes on right side experiment works, would like to see the lineup look something like this:

OEL-Hughes

Dermott-Myers

DeKeyser-Poolman

1st LHD callup - Kalynuk
1st RHD callup - Schenn
2nd LHD callup - Rathbone
 

[CanucksJay]

35 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Rathbone looked pretty good.

 

Like a rookie?  Some mistakes granted, and in a somewhat disjointed pre season game.  He still stood out.

 

His only real problem? He is a PMD on the same team as Quinn Hughes. Quinn (and Makar) are among the most flash PMD's in 20 years, an unrealistic bar.  

 

If Jack is measured on normal terms, he looks great!

 

 

I see a place for him, particularly noting we have a faster more skilled forward group.  His role will be to help push the play. Not clear the crease.

 

Which is also about Bruuuuce setting the right deployment.

 

I think we'll be excited in a few weeks!  

I think you are absolutely correct in that we have been spoiled with Quinn's play. A rookie D who can move the puck like Rathbone deserves more credit for sure. Even I couldn't help but feel disappointed after seeing his AHL numbers and having big expectations hoping he'd be a Quinn 2.0 but that's unrealistic 

[Canuck Surfer]

I reiterate, part of the value of keeping Rathbone?  Is if we as a team create a pace and game style that makes his skills more prominent.

 

Remember zone exits were one of our key difficulties pointed out by last year. We would want to be a breakout team that takes risks, outscores opponents.  

 

 

In pre season, J-Bone had but one legitimate pace generating forward line to outlet the biscuit to. I love me some Burrough's! Does Kyle B help create that outlook?  I don't think so.  J Rathbone may get more leash than many who like shot blockers & crease clearing brutes expect.

 

We have Boudreau as coach, not Tortorella.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Canuck Surfer