Pre-Season [GDT/PGT] Canucks vs/@ Flames (Split Squad) / Sunday, Sept. 25/22 / 4:00 & 5:00 pm

[King Loui]

Give my boy Vinny Arseneau a contract ASAP 

[Strawbone]

I had high expectations for a convincing Canucks win, so was pretty disappointed. That'll teach me to get my hopes up when watching pre-season games.

 

Haha, who am I kidding? They're gonna DOMINATE next game!

[EddieVedder]

2 hours ago, JM_ said:

I think once Rathbone settles down a bit he'll be a lot better. He's a good skater and has a decent shot, he just needs time to adjust and calm down to make better decisions, at least that's my take. It was just split squad game 1, lets not panic on him just yet.

 

DD looked OK but I don't see him as a guarantee. 

Most players are good skaters and have decent shots.  We said the same about rafferty and chatfield. 

If you cant defend in the NHL then you better be a beast offensively, which Rathbone is not. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by EddieVedder

[Locke Lamora]

2 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Most players are good skaters and have decent shots.  We said the same about rafferty and chatfield. 

If you cant defend in the NHL then you better be a beat offensively, which Rathbone is not. 

Lol, Rafferty’s skating isn’t in the same universe, let alone the same ball park as Rathbone. His disastrous showing in that one game he got laid this fact tragically bare. Chatfield is closer in skating ability, but when Jalen goes to bed at night he can only dream of being a PPG AHL D-man like Jack showed he was last year.

 

Been listening to a few podcasts today and the consensus seems to be that Jack had a nice first outing in pre-season game #1. Emphasis being PRESEASON GAME #1. 

 

[iceman64]

4 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

I'm glad JR thinks like some of us here. Funny that no one has yet to call him chicken little and that he should relax because its preseason

 

Well do we have our starting NHL roster out there yet and losing? 

[iceman64]

5 hours ago, eeeeergh said:

Yeah I think there's no need for concern - We were missing two of our top-4 defensemen, and the reality is we only have 2 top-4 defensemen, meaning we were playing entirely with bottom pairing guys. 

 

Agreed - I liked DeKeyser, he definitely didn't look that slow or that hes missed a step. 

 

I just read JR's interview from a few days back, and it looks like he considers Poolman to be part of our starting lineup. So this is basically where we're at:

OEL-Hughes
? - Myers
? - Poolman

Its DeKeyser, Rathbone, Dermott, Kalynuk in contention for those two spots I guess.. 

 

What are you talking about? Dermott and Myers are 2nd pairing quality clearly.. Dermott quietly does his job and Myers has the odd gaffe but plays decent usually and scored some timely goals for us last season and is big enough to crease clear which we need badly, Schenn can't be out there to clear Demmer's crease all the time. 

 So Myers has that ability and not having it can cost a LOT of goals against us. 

 Even Demko can't stop what he can't see.. 

 

[JM_]

29 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Most players are good skaters and have decent shots.  We said the same about rafferty and chatfield. 

If you cant defend in the NHL then you better be a beast offensively, which Rathbone is not. 

no one ever said that about Chatfield 

[King Loui]

Rathbone was awesome last night.  Lots of mistakes, missed shots, missed opportunities etc but he was electric in a sloppy kind of way which is good considering it was the first preseason game and most guys out there didn't know what the hell was going on.  I have high hopes for this kid. 

 

Jett Woo on the other hand, absolute bust. 

[Locke Lamora]

5 minutes ago, JM_ said:

no one ever said that about Chatfield 

Oh, I think its generally agreed upon that Chatfield is a nice skater. But that’s pretty much it as far as his toolbox goes.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Locke Lamora

[tas]

4 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

I'm glad JR thinks like some of us here. Funny that no one has yet to call him chicken little and that he should relax because its preseason

 

I didn't say it, but I definitely thought it when I read his comments. 

 

he seems to keep a cold separation between himself and the players, which many would argue is the right demeanor. I'm not sold. 

 

jury is still out for me on rutherford. I remember thinking he was a joke when he was in carolina and being surprised when he got hired in pittsburgh. I like what he's done here organizationally, at least at first blush, so there's that, but the proof is always in the pudding.

[MeanSeanBean]

36 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

What are you talking about? Dermott and Myers are 2nd pairing quality clearly.. Dermott quietly does his job and Myers has the odd gaffe but plays decent usually and scored some timely goals for us last season and is big enough to crease clear which we need badly, Schenn can't be out there to clear Demmer's crease all the time. 

 So Myers has that ability and not having it can cost a LOT of goals against us. 

 Even Demko can't stop what he can't see.. 

 

What makes you say Dermott is the second half of a quality 2nd paring? At no point in his career has he been a 2nd pairing D yet. That was his biggest knock in Toronto. He could play good as a 3rd pairing guy, but when he was leaned on for bigger minutes his mistakes started to show.

 

He has 2nd pairing potential, but at this point he is not a top 4 dman.

[King Loui]

41 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

What are you talking about? Dermott and Myers are 2nd pairing quality clearly.. Dermott quietly does his job and Myers has the odd gaffe but plays decent usually and scored some timely goals for us last season and is big enough to crease clear which we need badly, Schenn can't be out there to clear Demmer's crease all the time. 

 So Myers has that ability and not having it can cost a LOT of goals against us. 

 Even Demko can't stop what he can't see.. 

 

Dermott is playing for his NHL life right now and we got him for a 3rd round pick, Myers literally scored just 1 goal last year... sorry but nothing you say ever makes any sense.  You need to realize you're talking to a group of Canucks die hards who know everything there is to know about this team and it's players

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, iceman64 said:

Well do we have our starting NHL roster out there yet and losing? 

LOL do you think JR is overreacting then? 

[JM_]

49 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:

Oh, I think its generally agreed upon that Chatfield is a nice skater. But that’s pretty much it as far as his toolbox goes.

he had a toolbox?

[eeeeergh]

1 hour ago, iceman64 said:

What are you talking about? Dermott and Myers are 2nd pairing quality clearly.. Dermott quietly does his job and Myers has the odd gaffe but plays decent usually and scored some timely goals for us last season and is big enough to crease clear which we need badly, Schenn can't be out there to clear Demmer's crease all the time. 

 So Myers has that ability and not having it can cost a LOT of goals against us. 

 Even Demko can't stop what he can't see.. 

 

Heh, ONE timely goal for us last year

 

Sorry, just no to all of what you said. Myers is a solid puck moving defenseman with a big body, but he is pretty bad defensively. He was the second worst in the league for expected goals against, and near the bottom in basically every defensive metric. Eye test backs this up. 

 

Also I'm not sure where you get the idea that Dermott is a "clear" second pairing defensemen. Don't get me wrong, I like him, and I think he's got a chance at it, but obviously management doesnt see him as a second pair guy yet, or Boudreau wouldn't have paired DeKeyser with Myers in pre-season, where Boudreau said he's trying his best to create lines that he would want to see when the regular season starts. 

 

[Sophomore Jinx]

51 minutes ago, JM_ said:

he had a toolbox?

Empty one.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Sophomore Jinx

[Canuck Surfer]

1 hour ago, King Loui said:

Dermott is playing for his NHL life right now and we got him for a 3rd round pick, Myers literally scored just 1 goal last year... sorry but nothing you say ever makes any sense.  You need to realize you're talking to a group of Canucks die hards who know everything there is to know about this team and it's players

You could also take the high road, or a sense of optimism.

 

Versus pessimistic, the low road.  Dermott is fine as a 3rd pair or 7th D.  Myers contract was done 4 summers ago. It is spilt milk to harp on it?

[Muttley]

There's no chance if I'm making the call, I put Dermott in front of Rathbone even with the experience factor, which is so/so at best..

 

 

			Regular Season						Playoffs
Season	Team	Lge	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
	NHL Totals		268	13	41	54	100		22
2012-13	Newmarket Hurricanes	OJHL	53	1	14	15	24		24	4	11	15	14
2013-14	Erie Otters	OHL	67	3	25	28	45	35	14	0	5	5	8
2014-15	Erie Otters	OHL	61	8	37	45	53	23	20	5	12	17	22
2015-16	Erie Otters	OHL	51	6	37	43	65	36	13	3	11	14	14
2015-16	Toronto Marlies	AHL	--	--	--	--	--	--	1	0	0	0	0
2016-17	Toronto Marlies	AHL	59	5	19	24	60	9	11	1	4	5	2
2017-18	Toronto Marlies	AHL	28	2	16	18	34	15	14	1	3	4	18
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	37	1	12	13	8	16	7	1	0	1	2
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	64	4	13	17	22	-5	7	1	2	3	2
2019-20	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	56	4	7	11	37	14	5	0	1	1	4
2020-21	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	51	2	4	6	19	-1	3	0	0	0	0
2021-22	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	43	1	4	5	14	4	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	17	1	1	2	0	5	--	--	--	--	--

 

The 19/20 season with the Laughs was OK with a good +/-, still low on games played;  Both he and Jack play the same side so 

not sure what good it does for Rathbone sticking down on the farm for another year.

 

 

[RU SERIOUS]

3 hours ago, King Loui said:

Rathbone was awesome last night.  Lots of mistakes, missed shots, missed opportunities etc but he was electric in a sloppy kind of way which is good considering it was the first preseason game and most guys out there didn't know what the hell was going on.  I have high hopes for this kid. 

 

Jett Woo on the other hand, absolute bust. 

but, but, but....you mean 'ol Uncle Jim made a mistake in the draft?????  But so many folks said he was the best drafter we ever had!   

[iceman64]

3 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

LOL do you think JR is overreacting then? 

Yeah I actually do, I trust Bruce to do his job is more like it.