HKSR Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Trade Idea #1: Get that RHD To VAN: Damon Severson Michael McLeod To NJD: Bo Horvat Jack Rathbone Canucks acquire a RHD to pair with Hughes. They also acquire a very good 3C in McLeod capable of taking defensive faceoffs (a la Horvat). Over 1000 faceoffs last year, 57% wins. NJD acquire Horvat to give them a very solid core of centres down the middle. They also get Rathbone, a legitimate top 4 potential defensive prospect that might pair very nicely with Nemec in the future. Trade Idea #2: Load Up the Forwards To VAN: Anthony Mantha Nic Dowd 1st Round Pick To WASH: Bo Horvat Washington gets a major upgrade down the middle in Horvat. Vancouver adds another top 6 winger to the mix, and now have a RH faceoff guy in Dowd for a few years. The 1st round pick is a nice way to re-stock the cupboard moving forward. We basically roll 4 lines. All with the ability to put the puck in the net. Kuzmenko-Petey-Mikheyev Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Dowd-Mantha Pearson-Lazar-Garland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) I like the Washington deal better than the Jersey one. Severson is a pending UFA just like Horvat, McLeod doesn't really move the needle at all or me. I'd sooner just wait and see what Severson wants via UFA, I don't see him staying now that they've brought in a Marino who's signed to term. Could probably be had for nothing but money. I don't really care about Mantha and it'd be a mid to late 1st but at least the 1st could either help our prospect pool or be flipped to help us work on our D. Mantha could be a bounceback guy though I suppose, he's not ancient and he brings size. Dowd is a known quantity. Edited October 5, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) If I'm trading Horvat to Jersey I'm asking for Marino given his age and his being signed to term. Probably more. Horvat with an extension worked out between him and Jersey is still worth more than Marino imo. Edited October 5, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) I like the basis of the 1st trade. That being said, McLeod seems to be the 4th line C (behind Erik Haula) and I think we should try to get Mercer instead (wonder if his upside might be more useful when we already have Lazar; he might be a liability if his draws don't improve but if we put him with Dickinson maybe they could be both defensive and pack an offensive punch via Mercer). We don't really need ANOTHER expensive winger so I'd say no to Mantha. I'm not sure if Orlov is the defensive D we could use, but if he is I'd hope we swap him in. Edited October 5, 2022 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 If we're dealing with NJ, then I'd look at: Horvat/Rathbone for Mercer/Mukhamadullin/Tatar (cap dump for 1 year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 As much as I think Severson would be a great addition to our team, he's almost UFA and I'd rather try to get him for free in the offseason. McLeod also seems to have some upside along with solid defensive acumen, so the value I think is reasonable but due to Severson's contract, I wouldn't do that trade. Honestly, I don't think it needs to be overcomplicated. If we did move Horvat, it seems to me the main piece (or only piece) needs to be a blueliner with similar star power. Until we lose at least one forward, we really don't need any more. Therefore, my opinion is we should trade him for someone like Pelech. I like his combination of defense and size. Or maybe Slavin - who also has good size. It would be a riot to get Pettersson from the Pens, who I think would also work out well with Hughes - although he's not a big guy. Conversely, with the suggestions of trading with Jersey, I'd almost sooner try to get Siegenthaler. No, he doesn't score a lot but he's a really good left-handed defensive player who should have enough speed to keep up with Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I like the Jersey deal, but only if Severson re-signs at a reasonable term/salary Miller Pettersson McLeod Joshua/Lazar Hughes - Severson OEL - Schenn Dermott - Myers Poolman Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Trade Idea #1: Get that RHD To VAN: Damon Severson Michael McLeod To NJD: Bo Horvat Jack Rathbone Canucks acquire a RHD to pair with Hughes. They also acquire a very good 3C in McLeod capable of taking defensive faceoffs (a la Horvat). Over 1000 faceoffs last year, 57% wins. NJD acquire Horvat to give them a very solid core of centres down the middle. They also get Rathbone, a legitimate top 4 potential defensive prospect that might pair very nicely with Nemec in the future. Trade Idea #2: Load Up the Forwards To VAN: Anthony Mantha Nic Dowd 1st Round Pick To WASH: Bo Horvat Washington gets a major upgrade down the middle in Horvat. Vancouver adds another top 6 winger to the mix, and now have a RH faceoff guy in Dowd for a few years. The 1st round pick is a nice way to re-stock the cupboard moving forward. We basically roll 4 lines. All with the ability to put the puck in the net. Kuzmenko-Petey-Mikheyev Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Dowd-Mantha Pearson-Lazar-Garland Only D man I want back from Devils is Marino 25 - RD decent contract 5 yrs X 4.4 million.. Mcleod 24, 6'2 - 195 lbs -C Horvat -- ( 3rd rounder 2024 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Coconuts said: If I'm trading Horvat to Jersey I'm asking for Marino given his age and his being signed to term. Probably more. Horvat with an extension worked out between him and Jersey is still worth more than Marino imo. sounds like we could have had Marino for a lot less than Bo tho, didn't we turn down Marino for Rathbone (https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-taking-trade-swing-for-john-marino-wasnt-worth-plausible-price) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, JM_ said: sounds like we could have had Marino for a lot less than Bo tho, didn't we turn down Marino for Rathbone (https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-taking-trade-swing-for-john-marino-wasnt-worth-plausible-price) Marino was eventually traded to Jersey for a 3rd and Ty Smith. Ty Smith is absolutely not nothing, he's a young D who's gotten his feet wet the last couple seasons with New Jersey and he's a 17th overall pick from 2018. But even with that considered Horvat is worth more than Ty Smith and a 3rd. It'd absolutely have to be Marino+ for Horvat. But Marino is a good piece on a friendly deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, Coconuts said: Marino was eventually traded to Jersey for a 3rd and Ty Smith. Ty Smith is absolutely not nothing, he's a young D who's gotten his feet wet the last couple seasons with New Jersey and he's a 17th overall pick from 2018. But even with that considered Horvat is worth more than Ty Smith and a 3rd. It'd absolutely have to be Marino+ for Horvat. But Marino is a good piece on a friendly deal. I really wonder why Marino went so cheap... what did JR/PA know? it doesn't seem like a high price to trade 'bone for a top 4 RHD. Its curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, JM_ said: I really wonder why Marino went so cheap... what did JR/PA know? it doesn't seem like a high price to trade 'bone for a top 4 RHD. Its curious. It's a good question, I remember folks being surprised he went so cheap and folks saying they'd have paid a similar price round here. Like, Ty Smith ain't nothing, he's a good young D with upside. Higher pedigree than Rathbone and he's got two 20 point seasons thus far as a young D. I'd have given up Rathbone for Marino upside or not. And like, I know Rathbone could be something special but Marino's a 3-4D right now who could probably slot in nicely with Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 12 hours ago, Coconuts said: It's a good question, I remember folks being surprised he went so cheap and folks saying they'd have paid a similar price round here. Like, Ty Smith ain't nothing, he's a good young D with upside. Higher pedigree than Rathbone and he's got two 20 point seasons thus far as a young D. I'd have given up Rathbone for Marino upside or not. And like, I know Rathbone could be something special but Marino's a 3-4D right now who could probably slot in nicely with Hughes. yeah I would have too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Horvat would be an amazing fit in Philly or Columbus and both have lots of prospects. Also puts him in the Eastern conference (see him once a year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 On 10/6/2022 at 12:21 PM, BureBurrito said: Horvat would be an amazing fit in Philly or Columbus and both have lots of prospects. Also puts him in the Eastern conference (see him once a year). Well twice but who's counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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