[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Oct. 20, 2022

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

The sad thing is we were sold that the Canucks had 3 strong lines (9/10 forwards deep) but when push come to shove and we’re desperate for wins Bruce completely sells out and does exactly what he said he wouldn’t do.  
 

He keeps over playing his older struggling vets like Miller and Pearson, giving them too much ice time while his best performing players like Garland and Podkolzin he sits out, in Podz case only give him 12 mins in the game.  That’s no deploying 3 lines evenly.  That was supposed to be our strength but Bruce bailed at the first sight of adversity.  
 

The worst thing Management did was make Bruce a lame duck coach.  He’s tight, he’s coaching his team tight and his team is playing tight and not in a good way.  Stick with what was successful for tue second half of last year and STAY with it.  

Podz himself said he couldn't believe how Miller could play 22-26 minutes a game down during their late season push, yet was sucking wind himself with his 14 or so minutes... there is a reason Bruce went with what he did - and don't see much point in armchair coaching this.   We have 25% of the data, and 2% of the tools to work with. 

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

The sad thing is we were sold that the Canucks had 3 strong lines (9/10 forwards deep) but when push come to shove and we’re desperate for wins Bruce completely sells out and does exactly what he said he wouldn’t do.  
 

He keeps over playing his older struggling vets like Miller and Pearson, giving them too much ice time while his best performing players like Garland and Podkolzin he sits out, in Podz case only give him 12 mins in the game.  That’s no deploying 3 lines evenly.  That was supposed to be our strength but Bruce bailed at the first sight of adversity.  
 

The worst thing Management did was make Bruce a lame duck coach.  He’s tight, he’s coaching his team tight and his team is playing tight and not in a good way.  Stick with what was successful for tue second half of last year and STAY with it.  

Podz himself said he couldn't believe how Miller could play 22-26 minutes a game  during their late season push, yet was sucking wind himself with his 12- 14 or so minutes (he's never played even close to that many games before) ... there is a reason Bruce went with what he did - and don't see much point in armchair coaching this.   We have at best 50% of the data, and 2% of the tools to work with. 

[lmm]

5 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

A sweetner? Well... Duh. Boeser still has value. Guy missed preseason, and is clearly a step behind and still isn't playing nearly as bad as other players in our top 6.

 

Colorado did fine, they won a cup with Kadri. You don't need to worry about asset management when your franchise has an embarrassment of riches even after winning the cup. I think the Kadri deal will age poorly, same way I feel about the JT Miller contract.

 

If for whatever reason Horvat walks to FA in the summer, and we don't trade him before he does that it would be a monumental failure and should result in the entire brass looking for a new job.

well I think you are over-valuing Brock, 

but I agree with the rest of that

 

I think Calgary felt that they were close to Colorado, but a first round exit has to sting

[MeanSeanBean]

3 hours ago, lmm said:

well I think you are over-valuing Brock, 

but I agree with the rest of that

 

I think Calgary felt that they were close to Colorado, but a first round exit has to sting

I think your dramatically undervaluing Boeser. Guy is currently 4th on the team in scoring while being the only player in our top 5 of scoring not getting pp1 time.

 

Of course it did. They were also under the impression Johnny was going to resign. They got unlucky, and got screwed. I'm not crying into my beer for them though.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Shayster007

[Redline]

4 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Why bring his family life into this?  I dont know about the rest of you but im so tired of hearing about players families.  This should be completely irrelevant. You never heard about all this excess family crap back in the 80s, 90s or 00s.  

Btw, Stetcher and Markstrom both peformed like warriors while they lost their fathers.   

I agree..missing his wife and kids is no excuse..he's a pro athlete and it's his job..

Comparing that to losing one of your parents though is just wrong..totally incomparable..

[Jaimito]

 

 

Some "inside" view from Ray. 

[rychicken]

46 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

I'm going tomorrow morning.....I want to get JPat's autograph!!

[SilentSam]

 

 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

Some "inside" view from Ray. 

Ugh ... clown show podcast! Ray can do better. At least he played the game. 

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

10 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

They absolutely didn't and should not have to burn any firsts. All they had to do was trade Miller/Garland/somebody, and not sign Boeser. That was the hard path which would require a little patience on the fans behalf. But we've been through this already. Now we're in a position where yes we have to burn firsts to improve. 

 

Exactly right about impatient fans here. The majority of Canuck fans ... judging by comments around here anyway are more enthralled with the chase and short term satisfaction then they are in being patient and building a winner. It's an easy sell for management so I barely blame them for messing this up so bad. If people want to pay money for crap ... let em. That's good business.

Impatient? 8 years of crap hockey. 52 years without a cup..

 

Fickle? Very

 

But impatient???? Lol come on

[Pickly]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

 

It’s going to take some Burrows esq magic to get the fans believing again. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Fingers crossed. 

[chon derry]

2 hours ago, Redline said:

I agree..missing his wife and kids is no excuse..he's a pro athlete and it's his job..

Comparing that to losing one of your parents though is just wrong..totally incomparable..

The slight was directed at Miller while there’s an unintended compliment towards stecher and markstrome 

[Dr. Crossbar]

Just remember when you're championing the destruction of the team, blaming the coach, glad the team is losing, flexing on those who want the team to succeed, the pendulum always ... ALWAYS ... swings the other direction. 

 

As easily as it's been to lose hope these past few games, it's equally as easy to renew faith with a winning streak. 

 

The pendulum will be swinging the other way. 

 

[EmilyM]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Just remember when you're championing the destruction of the team, blaming the coach, glad the team is losing, flexing on those who want the team to succeed, the pendulum always ... ALWAYS ... swings the other direction. 

 

As easily as it's been to lose hope these past few games, it's equally as easy to renew faith with a winning streak. 

 

The pendulum will be swinging the other way. 

 

Therein lies the worry with the team too. As bad as things look now, we have too much talent to be that bad for the whole season. But at their best, we’re not likely a Cup contender either. So the worry is that we’re forever going to be a middling team who neither acquires high draft picks and instead strives to squeak into the playoffs as our best case scenario.

[Dr. Crossbar]

Just now, EmilyM said:

Therein lies the worry with the team too. As bad as things look now, we have too much talent to be that bad for the whole season. But at their best, we’re not likely a Cup contender either. So the worry is that we’re forever going to be a middling team who neither acquires high draft picks and instead strives to squeak into the playoffs as our best case scenario.

I'm really talking more about the right now. The pendulum will swing in the other direction of this losing streak. That's how life works. Nothing stays the same. Wins will come. The confident bullies will in turn become the bullied. 

 

In relation to your point, though, management has committed to now, going all in, so worrying about things won't do much good. We need to make playoffs and make the best of it as much of a contender as we can be. 

[EmilyM]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

I'm really talking more about the right now. The pendulum will swing in the other direction of this losing streak. That's how life works. Nothing stays the same. Wins will come. The confident bullies will in turn become the bullied. 

 

In relation to your point, though, management has committed to now, going all in, so worrying about things won't do much good. We need to make playoffs and make the best of it as much of a contender as we can be. 

Yeah I totally understand what you’re saying. When management extended Miller, they were basically announcing that this was their version of going all-in. I’ll continue to support the team because, hey, I’ve been here before JR was here and I’ll still be here after he’s gone. But I totally get the fan frustration too.

[Dr. Crossbar]

3 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

Yeah I totally understand what you’re saying. When management extended Miller, they were basically announcing that this was their version of going all-in. I’ll continue to support the team because, hey, I’ve been here before JR was here and I’ll still be here after he’s gone. But I totally get the fan frustration too.

Same here. Totally get it. Fans and this city deserve a winning team after all the heartbreak and certainly a management team that's committed to making that happen.

 

On the bright side, we're one day closer to winning ... whenever that is.

[DS4quality]

Hot take here: Kuzmenko isn't that good, he's just another khler in the nhl. 

He's not good in the d zone, and fair at defending. 

If Boeser got his mins he'd have even more points than 2. 

 

 

[ktcy2]

7 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

I think your dramatically undervaluing Boeser. Guy is currently 4th on the team in scoring while being the only player in our top 5 of scoring not getting pp1 time.

 

Of course it did. They were also under the impression Johnny was going to resign. They got unlucky, and got screwed. I'm not crying into my beer for them though.

Lol. Please ….. Boeser has not done anything since 2020 and he is underrated? He literally is a fourth liner at this point and one that does not hit, can’t back check, no speed, can’t score. He had been a problem for many seasons now. I am sorry. He is the weakest link and must go.