[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Oct. 20, 2022

[spook007]

What's with all the negativity?

 

It's game day and we're only 6 point from the top of the league...

Tonight we turn it around.

 

SC here we come........................................................too soon? 

[EddieVedder]

8 hours ago, Pickly said:

It’s going to take some Burrows esq magic to get the fans believing again. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Fingers crossed. 

We dont have a burrows though.  We dont have the same character on this team unfortunately 

[EddieVedder]

10 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

I think your dramatically undervaluing Boeser. Guy is currently 4th on the team in scoring while being the only player in our top 5 of scoring not getting pp1 time.

 

Of course it did. They were also under the impression Johnny was going to resign. They got unlucky, and got screwed. I'm not crying into my beer for them though.

Are you watching these games?  Are you seeing how ineffective and slow Boeser is out there?   Do you not see how badly hes bringing his linemates down?  Or how many of his mistakes are leading to turnovers? He was getting top line minutes with miller and he looked brutal. 

Missing preseason?  There isnt a player in nucks history who has more excuses made for him than boeser.

 

[EddieVedder]

2 hours ago, DS4quality said:

Hot take here: Kuzmenko isn't that good, he's just another khler in the nhl. 

He's not good in the d zone, and fair at defending. 

If Boeser got his mins he'd have even more points than 2. 

 

 

Boeser was given a chance to play top line with miller and he sh/t the bed. Another perfect example how boeser fans are in denial.

Kuz creates chances on his own. Boeser cant.  Kuz can skate with the puck and drive play. Boeser cant.  Kuz can skate well and pass the puck. Boeser cant.  Watch the games.

[EddieVedder]

2 hours ago, ktcy2 said:

Lol. Please ….. Boeser has not done anything since 2020 and he is underrated? He literally is a fourth liner at this point and one that does not hit, can’t back check, no speed, can’t score. He had been a problem for many seasons now. I am sorry. He is the weakest link and must go. 

Theyve been drinking the koolaid from Nucks marketing team on boeser for years.  Now Their brains cant compute whats right in front of their eyes.  Boeser is the most ineffective and weakest player on the club.  

[Ghostsof1915]

Random video to make people laugh.

 

 

[JM_]

13 hours ago, lmm said:

maybe it is

Johnny Gudreau walked for free and the Flames signed Nazim Kadri  instead

the time to trade Brock was pre deadline

they picked up Kuzmenko and Mikheyev for 0 assets

and now we are benching a top 9 forward

gnome was a UFA tho, on a team with contending aspirations. The equivalent would have been to trade gnome in his last year with Cowgary. Not sure that kind of move would have been likely. 

[JM_]

12 hours ago, aGENT said:

We also could have moved on from Miller with the same logic FYI.

 

And like I said, all those remaining forwards, plus a couple of Hague/Marino/Chychrun....I'm not sure you can say that's actually a "step back".

well if you could have figured out a way to actually get 2/3 of those d men, why didn't you tell JR?

[ktcy2]

1 hour ago, EddieVedder said:

Theyve been drinking the koolaid from Nucks marketing team on boeser for years.  Now Their brains cant compute whats right in front of their eyes.  Boeser is the most ineffective and weakest player on the club.  

Right??! Like I don’t get how people can’t see this?! It’s insane….. I mean he will pot one here or there but so did chaisson, beagle, Roussell….. the fact is Boeser is no longer that rookie Boeser due to injuries or whatever. It’s now a fact. There is no more hope. I don’t know how people can’t see this fact. It’s really beyond me. 

[ShawnAntoski]

42 minutes ago, ktcy2 said:

Right??! Like I don’t get how people can’t see this?! It’s insane….. I mean he will pot one here or there but so did chaisson, beagle, Roussell….. the fact is Boeser is no longer that rookie Boeser due to injuries or whatever. It’s now a fact. There is no more hope. I don’t know how people can’t see this fact. It’s really beyond me. 

Agree, with most that Boeser has regressed, alot.  Hopefully, by playing him top 3/6 minutes he can bring up his trade value - but he is an offensively, soft player based on the games I had seen, which means he doesn't offer much, if he isnt scoring

[MeanSeanBean]

5 hours ago, ktcy2 said:

Lol. Please ….. Boeser has not done anything since 2020 and he is underrated? He literally is a fourth liner at this point and one that does not hit, can’t back check, no speed, can’t score. He had been a problem for many seasons now. I am sorry. He is the weakest link and must go. 

Lol 4th liner, k. Also, where in my post did I say underrated? I didn't, only you did. I said under valued, while replying to a post who was saying we would need to add a sweetner just to trade him. Literally a 4th liner, that's gold.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Are you watching these games?  Are you seeing how ineffective and slow Boeser is out there?   Do you not see how badly hes bringing his linemates down?  Or how many of his mistakes are leading to turnovers? He was getting top line minutes with miller and he looked brutal. 

Missing preseason?  There isnt a player in nucks history who has more excuses made for him than boeser.

 

Your opinion on Boeser means so little to me I didn't read this, and still feel completely confident saying you're wrong.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Shayster007

[EddieVedder]

3 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

Lol 4th liner, k. Also, where in my post did I say underrated? I didn't, only you did. I said under valued, while replying to a post who was saying we would need to add a sweetner just to trade him. Literally a 4th liner, that's gold.

 

 

 

Your opinion on Boeser means so little to me I didn't read this, and still feel completely confident saying you're wrong.

Bcuz youre in denial.  Youve had countless people here explain thoroughly how ineffective boeser is and you cant see it.  

[MeanSeanBean]

10 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Bcuz youre in denial.  Youve had countless people here explain thoroughly how ineffective boeser is and you cant see it.  

What exactly don't I see? What statements about Boeser have I made are incorrect? I said he's 4th in scoring without pp1 time. He is, and that's true. I said he could be traded without having to add a sweetner to trade him. That is 100% true, and makes him undervalued to the poster I was referring to when they said we would need to add just to dump him. I scoffed at the idea of him being a 4th liner, rightfully so.

 

So please, tell me what I'm in about denial about? Because I wouldn't even entertain your 637th obviously bias Boeser take? That's on you, that's what happen when you constantly cry wolf.

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Shayster007

[EddieVedder]

1 hour ago, ktcy2 said:

Right??! Like I don’t get how people can’t see this?! It’s insane….. I mean he will pot one here or there but so did chaisson, beagle, Roussell….. the fact is Boeser is no longer that rookie Boeser due to injuries or whatever. It’s now a fact. There is no more hope. I don’t know how people can’t see this fact. It’s really beyond me. 

Even in hos rookie year he was given every opprtunity to pop them in and score.  We had no other wingers and no choice but to play him.    The team stunk back then, and lets be honest if boeser is in our top 6, we are not a good team. 

[stawns]

6 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

What exactly don't I see? What statements about Boeser have I made are incorrect? I said he's 4th in scoring without pp1 time. He is, and that's true. I said he could be traded without having to add a sweetner to trade him. That is 100% true, and makes him undervalued to the poster I was referring to when they said we would need to add just to dump him.

 

So please, tell me what I'm in about denial about? Because I wouldn't even entertain your 637th obviously bias Boeser take? That's on you, that's what happen when you constantly cry wolf.

 

I don't think you'd find anyone who doesn't think BB is a producer, though not at the level he gets credit for by some.  However, it's the rest of his game that is deficient, especially for the cap hit he brings with him.  That's my issue with BB

[MeanSeanBean]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I don't think you'd find anyone who doesn't think BB is a producer, though not at the level he gets credit for by some.  However, it's the rest of his game that is deficient, especially for the cap hit he brings with him.  That's my issue with BB

Sure? He's had good engagement years, but he's often a passenger. He clearly hasn't been engaged nearly enough this year. But I haven't made that argument since the year he was out best forward a couple back. I have only talked about how he is currently producing and has not played bad enough to be a cap dump.

 

But part of the reason I'm in this conversation is someone saying Boeser is no more then a 4th liner. That sounds like to me someone is arguing he doesn't produce to me.

[ktcy2]

13 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

What exactly don't I see? What statements about Boeser have I made are incorrect? I said he's 4th in scoring without pp1 time. He is, and that's true. I said he could be traded without having to add a sweetner to trade him. That is 100% true, and makes him undervalued to the poster I was referring to when they said we would need to add just to dump him. I scoffed at the idea of him being a 4th liner, rightfully so.

 

So please, tell me what I'm in about denial about? Because I wouldn't even entertain your 637th obviously bias Boeser take? That's on you, that's what happen when you constantly cry wolf.

 

No one is gonna touch Boeser with a ten foot pole. He has three years of a ridiculous contract that Alvin gave out for free. Boeser is a 4 million player at best at this point (even this is arguable and only based on history). 

[MeanSeanBean]

10 minutes ago, ktcy2 said:

No one is gonna touch Boeser with a ten foot pole. He has three years of a ridiculous contract that Alvin gave out for free. Boeser is a 4 million player at best at this point (even this is arguable and only based on history). 

4 points in 5 games, 260 points in 329 games. I think you're entirely wrong "no one is gonna touch him with a ten foot pole".

 

For fun, I took a quick search for the last 4 million dollar winger signed. Lawson Crouse, who's the same age, got a tad over 4 mil this summer. 350 games played, a little more then Boeser and only 113 points. Yes, a different type of player. But this is a point league, players value is often based around the points they get.

 

If Boeser had a 4 million dollar contract for his 260 points in 329 games, he would have a high value contract in the league.

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Shayster007

[NHTyrany]

Just give Boes at least 10 games before pouncing so much on him. He has much more to give and there's still hope. Besides, He's not the only who needs to elevate his game.

 

GCT

[DS4quality]

5 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Boeser was given a chance to play top line with miller and he sh/t the bed. Another perfect example how boeser fans are in denial.

Kuz creates chances on his own. Boeser cant.  Kuz can skate with the puck and drive play. Boeser cant.  Kuz can skate well and pass the puck. Boeser cant.  Watch the games.

Kuzmenko is playing with Pettersson the best player on the team. Boeser

Hasn't had that opportunity. Kuzmenko has pp1 minutes, and since being on it we've scored exactly how many goals?

 

Boeser produces points. 

Sure he's not great in his zone but tell me how much better  Kuzmenko is back there?

I'll give Kuzmenko the benefit of the doubt because he's new to the league,  but I'm just not sure what he's done to get top mins. 

Kuzmenko is an undrafted 26 year old from the KHL and hasn't proven anything in the NHL, where as Boeser has been here since his rookie year had tons of injuries yet still gets points.

I want kuzmenko to be good but to me I think he's more of Gusev than an Artemi Panarin. I hope he proves me wrong but at this point,  Jason Dickinson has more points than Kuzmenko and plays in Chicago