Kobayashi Maru Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Well, things are not working out as expected (or predicted) and our needs are still the same. We can’t rebuild, otherwise Petey, Hughes and Demko will walk and our other vets like Miller and Boeser hold minimal value. We need to stay young and try and get back on track: To Rangers: 2023 Canucks 1st (Top 3 protected) Luke Schenn To Vancouver: Braden Schneider Our pick shouldn’t be in that top 3 range but could easily be top 10 at this point. Schneider has a RD ceiling with their depth and isn’t a big contributor this year. Schenn is obviously a 3rd pair RD that meets an immediate need for 1-2 years. We pay a heavy price but we need NHL ready options now. To Arizona: Jonathan Lekkerimaki Nils Hoglander Tucker Poolman To Vancouver: Jacob Chychrun Arizona is looking for future talents (Hogs and Lekk) and Poolman either is serviceable for them or goes on LTIR. Ultimately this takes away a lot of futures from the Canucks (Maybe we need to add a bit more like Rathbone) but solidifies what we need to do on D with young D options. Unless we tear it down (not possible) we need to adjust. With this done we get the follow D core: Ekman-Larsson - Chychrun (off side) Hughes - Schneider Dermott - Myers 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Why do the rangers consider this? They’re in compete now mode and Schneider is contributing now on an ELC. Sending a 6/7 D and futures for him doesn’t seem to fit what they’re doing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Well, things are not working out as expected (or predicted) and our needs are still the same. We can’t rebuild, otherwise Petey, Hughes and Demko will walk and our other vets like Miller and Boeser hold minimal value. We need to stay young and try and get back on track: To Rangers: 2023 Canucks 1st (Top 3 protected) Luke Schenn To Vancouver: Braden Schneider Our pick shouldn’t be in that top 3 range but could easily be top 10 at this point. Schneider has a RD ceiling with their depth and isn’t a big contributor this year. Schenn is obviously a 3rd pair RD that meets an immediate need for 1-2 years. We pay a heavy price but we need NHL ready options now. To Arizona: Jonathan Lekkerimaki Nils Hoglander Tucker Poolman To Vancouver: Jacob Chychrun Arizona is looking for future talents (Hogs and Lekk) and Poolman either is serviceable for them or goes on LTIR. Ultimately this takes away a lot of futures from the Canucks (Maybe we need to add a bit more like Rathbone) but solidifies what we need to do on D with young D options. Unless we tear it down (not possible) we need to adjust. With this done we get the follow D core: Ekman-Larsson - Chychrun (off side) Hughes - Schneider Dermott - Myers The NYR will want more then a middle round first rounder for Schneider 21-RD -6'2 future #2 D man... Ranger will never make a trade like that? Schneider is a RD man these type of players are so hard to find,, Schneider is a core player to build around and cap friendly deal under 1 million.. Might get a Peeke 24, RD - 6'3 RD from Columbus ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, wildcam said: The NYR will want more then a middle round first rounder for Schneider 21-RD -6'2 future #2 D man... Ranger will never make a trade like that? Schneider is a RD man these type of players are so hard to find,, Schneider is a core player to build around and cap friendly deal under 1 million.. Might get a Peeke 24, RD - 6'3 RD from Columbus ??? Agree that they could want more but given their depth on RD (Rare for most teams) I think they would consider moving him. They need somebody to give what he gives now on the bottom pairing but maybe they need more in the package. Maybe Rathbone or a Klimovich move the needle. Maybe Arizona takes the 1st and NYR takes Lekk. Either way targeting a team who is strong on RD is a must. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Why do the rangers consider this? They’re in compete now mode and Schneider is contributing now on an ELC. Sending a 6/7 D and futures for him doesn’t seem to fit what they’re doing Schenn has proven to be a cup depth D man so likely brings a similar ability this year given that Schneider will be bottom pairing. Just a matter of what the additional future value it would take to sway them. Likely Wild take multiple pieces but the unique element with NYR is their RD depth creates a ceiling for Schneider anyways. They may just ride it out but they will need to do something eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Are you ok? Why would the Rangers trade you Schnieder for a 1st lol... Chychrun is worth like 3x 1sts in the market. And here we have you offering a 1st round prospect, Hoglander and Poolman dump. Enticing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Rangers aren't taking that deal and neither is Arizona. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 That first to the Rangers could be anything! It could even be a future top pairing D like Braden Schneider! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Rangers aren't taking that deal and neither is Arizona. I'm not sure the zona one is that far off actually, they are getting the 1st and roster player they need. Adding Poolman to the mix probably costs us another pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Drakrami said: Are you ok? Why would the Rangers trade you Schnieder for a 1st lol... Chychrun is worth like 3x 1sts in the market. And here we have you offering a 1st round prospect, Hoglander and Poolman dump. Enticing... Probably not.....The only likely cure is a NHL capable RD on top of Tyler Myers to ease my woes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JM_ said: I'm not sure the zona one is that far off actually, they are getting the 1st and roster player they need. Adding Poolman to the mix probably costs us another pick. Lekkerimaki is fine valuewise, I question Hoglander's value in a trade though. Poolman is a dump. Arizona's ask is reportedly sky high and with him locked in and under team control they've zero pressure to move him. Will they trade him? I think it's inevitable, but no, I don't think that deal is anywhere close. Replace Hoglander with an unprotected 1st and tack on something else for Poolman and maybe. And that's not a deal I'd do. Edited October 21, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Lekkerimaki is fine valuewise, I question Hoglander's value in a trade though. Poolman is a dump. Arizona's ask is reportedly sky high and with him locked in and under team control they've zero pressure to move him. Will they trade him? I think it's inevitable, but no, I don't think that deal is anywhere close. Replace Hoglander with an unprotected 1st and tack on something else for Poolman and maybe. And that's not a deal I'd do. well, there's what they say they want and there's what they will get. Keeping him on that tire fire won't up his trade value over time. But adding an unprotected 1st to Lekker? nah, he's not worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: well, there's what they say they want and there's what they will get. Keeping him on that tire fire won't up his trade value over time. But adding an unprotected 1st to Lekker? nah, he's not worth that. Nah, but they've shown a willingness to take on cap for other teams so I'm inclined to believe they'd probably be willing to retain cap on the remainder of Chychrun's deal if the value was there. I reckon he gets shipped to a playoff team or a team with cup aspirations, his cap hit is one of the biggest benefits of acquiring him. When he does get moved I do believe they'll get quite the haul back. Probably at least the equivalent of two 1st rounds picks via either picks or a combination of picks/prospects. I don't think he's worth what it'd probably cost to bring him here. Gotta give to get but I'm not willing to give up what Arizona would want as I don't think we're close enough to be mortgaging the future. I think it's inevitable that we move one or more of Garland/Miller/Boeser/Horvat out. Maybe Arizona would bite on one of those+ and flip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathancanuck Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Rathbone, Boeser, Poolman + 1st for Chychrun? Rathbone, Boeser, Poolman for Connor Murphy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Nah, but they've shown a willingness to take on cap for other teams so I'm inclined to believe they'd probably be willing to retain cap on the remainder of Chychrun's deal if the value was there. I reckon he gets shipped to a playoff team or a team with cup aspirations, his cap hit is one of the biggest benefits of acquiring him. When he does get moved I do believe they'll get quite the haul back. Probably at least the equivalent of two 1st rounds picks via either picks or a combination of picks/prospects. I don't think he's worth what it'd probably cost to bring him here. Gotta give to get but I'm not willing to give up what Arizona would want as I don't think we're close enough to be mortgaging the future. I think it's inevitable that we move one or more of Garland/Miller/Boeser/Horvat out. Maybe Arizona would bite on one of those+ and flip them. I could see them doing a flip with Boeser. He'd get prime PP and o-zone time to up his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, JM_ said: I could see them doing a flip with Boeser. He'd get prime PP and o-zone time to up his stats. I think he's the most likely candidate to be traded, I just question what we'd have to move on top of him. I also question whether Chychrun is the right fit, is he really worth it? Is he a RD or a lefty who can slide over? He'd certainly be a top 4D here, but is it the right fit? I think I'd sooner try and get one of Severson or Marino out of Jersey. Probably Severson as I see them liking Marino at his term and cap hit. I wonder what it'd take, Severson is a pending UFA who'll probably get a raise. Could a deal be had built around one of Boeser or Garland? Jersey seems set to go with Hughes and Hischier down the middle. Chychun is younger and you'd arguably get more longevity out of him, but Severson is at least a legit RD and wouldn't cost as much. I'm just skeptical of what Chychrun would be here despite underlying numbers he's had in seasons past. Edited October 21, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Bottom of the league with no prospects. Let’s give up first rounders yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I think he's the most likely candidate to be traded, I just question what we'd have to move on top of him. I also question whether Chychrun is the right fit, is he really worth it? Is he a RD or a lefty who can slide over? He'd certainly be a top 4D here, but is it the right fit? I think I'd sooner try and get one of Severson or Marino out of Jersey. Probably Severson as I see them liking Marino at his term and cap hit. I wonder what it'd take, Severson is a pending UFA who'll probably get a raise. Could a deal be had built around one of Boeser or Garland? Jersey seems set to go with Hughes and Hischier down the middle. Chychun is younger and you'd arguably get more longevity out of him, but Severson is at least a legit RD and wouldn't cost as much. I'm just skeptical of what Chychrun would be here despite underlying numbers he's had in seasons past. What about Bo for Serverson and a protected 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: What about Bo for Serverson and a protected 1st? I mean, I'm not sure they really need Bo tbh, they've hitched their wagon to Hischier and Hughes by committing big dollars long term to both Jersey looks pretty set down the middle and on RD though, boosting their wing position with Boeser wouldn't hurt They're gonna lose someone though unless they can convince Severson he won't be playing third fiddle to Hamilton and Marino Makes sense for Jersey to deal from a position of strength too if they believe they can't retain him but I don't believe they'll be looking for a top center What they really need is a clear-cut #1 goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Well, things are not working out as expected (or predicted) and our needs are still the same. We can’t rebuild, otherwise Petey, Hughes and Demko will walk and our other vets like Miller and Boeser hold minimal value. We need to stay young and try and get back on track: To Rangers: 2023 Canucks 1st (Top 3 protected) Luke Schenn To Vancouver: Braden Schneider Our pick shouldn’t be in that top 3 range but could easily be top 10 at this point. Schneider has a RD ceiling with their depth and isn’t a big contributor this year. Schenn is obviously a 3rd pair RD that meets an immediate need for 1-2 years. We pay a heavy price but we need NHL ready options now. To Arizona: Jonathan Lekkerimaki Nils Hoglander Tucker Poolman To Vancouver: Jacob Chychrun Arizona is looking for future talents (Hogs and Lekk) and Poolman either is serviceable for them or goes on LTIR. Ultimately this takes away a lot of futures from the Canucks (Maybe we need to add a bit more like Rathbone) but solidifies what we need to do on D with young D options. Unless we tear it down (not possible) we need to adjust. With this done we get the follow D core: Ekman-Larsson - Chychrun (off side) Hughes - Schneider Dermott - Myers They wouldn't take 99 point miller last year for Schneider and you think Luke schenn and a 1st get it done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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