JM_ Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 To NJ: Q. Hughes, Burroughs To Van: Severson (with extension in place), Nemec, protected 1st. NJ gets the trifecta brother combo, a marketing and team chemistry dream, and an 80 pt potential d man. And with Hamilton and Marino there, it doesn't decimate their right side. Burroughs is serviceable on their bottom pair. We solve our RHD issues going forward, and gain a late 1st. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 We Can Absolutely Do better Than That For Hughes The last defenceman of his calibre that got traded was Karlsson. There's so very few ppg or near ppg defencemen who can play some semblance of defence out there. To only get a late first and Nemec (severson not withstanding) just seems like a gamble of insane proportions knowing we'd be gambling on a complete unknown in Nemec at this point in his pro career I mean don't get me wrong. Love the idea of either player, but that cost....yikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Warhippy said: We Can Absolutely Do better Than That For Hughes The last defenceman of his calibre that got traded was Karlsson. There's so very few ppg or near ppg defencemen who can play some semblance of defence out there. To only get a late first and Nemec (severson not withstanding) just seems like a gamble of insane proportions knowing we'd be gambling on a complete unknown in Nemec at this point in his pro career I mean don't get me wrong. Love the idea of either player, but that cost....yikes I agree, but do you think Hughes would be enough to turn Jersey's 1st into a late 1st? I'm not sold on their goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: We Can Absolutely Do better Than That For Hughes The last defenceman of his calibre that got traded was Karlsson. There's so very few ppg or near ppg defencemen who can play some semblance of defence out there. To only get a late first and Nemec (severson not withstanding) just seems like a gamble of insane proportions knowing we'd be gambling on a complete unknown in Nemec at this point in his pro career I mean don't get me wrong. Love the idea of either player, but that cost....yikes RHD are the hardest players to get, we're getting two back and a 1st in my scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuzy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Warhippy said: We Can Absolutely Do better Than That For Hughes The last defenceman of his calibre that got traded was Karlsson. There's so very few ppg or near ppg defencemen who can play some semblance of defence out there. To only get a late first and Nemec (severson not withstanding) just seems like a gamble of insane proportions knowing we'd be gambling on a complete unknown in Nemec at this point in his pro career I mean don't get me wrong. Love the idea of either player, but that cost....yikes How is Nemec an unknown? He was the 2nd overall pick last draft... got picked ahead of Cooley and Wright. He's in Utica this year and holding his own as an 18 year old in the AHL. Guy is super valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Wake up from your nap JR and get this deal done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kuzy said: How is Nemec an unknown? He was the 2nd overall pick last draft... got picked ahead of Cooley and Wright. He's in Utica this year and holding his own as an 18 year old in the AHL. Guy is super valuable. A recent review of 2nd overall draft picks shows beniers Byfield Kakko Svechnikov Patrick Laine Eichel Reinhardt Barkov Murray Landeskog Seguin Tell me, how many of those players you think is worth Hughes, If the answer is not a resounding 80% or more it's a massive gamble to lose to the best defenseman this teams ever drafted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I honestly don’t think NJ cares about getting all 3 brothers when the cost is prohibitively high. (Both in assets and cap space). Their attendance is pretty strong and hasn’t really fluctuated that much even through the lean years. They’re better off keeping Nemec and his entry level contract. Especially considering Luke is still college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, JM_ said: To NJ: Q. Hughes, Burroughs To Van: Severson (with extension in place), Nemec, protected 1st. NJ gets the trifecta brother combo, a marketing and team chemistry dream, and an 80 pt potential d man. And with Hamilton and Marino there, it doesn't decimate their right side. Burroughs is serviceable on their bottom pair. We solve our RHD issues going forward, and gain a late 1st. Like the trade -- rather have Marino I would rather take Marino 25 - 5 yrs X 4.4 million Severson 28 -RD will demand 6.5--7 million X 7 yrs this summer ( UFA 29 yrs old summer.... Marion 25 -RD -6'1 #3 D man -- 5 yrs X 4.4 million Nemec 18 - RD -6'0 future # 2 RD man 2nd overall 2022 draft.. - entry level deal 1st rounder - 2023 --should be between 14 -18th O/A. --- 3rd rounder -2024 NJ Devil Hughes 23 -5'10 Top 10 offensive D man in league 5 yrs X 7.8 millio Dermott --25 RD --# 4 D man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JM_ said: To NJ: Q. Hughes, Burroughs To Van: Severson (with extension in place), Nemec, protected 1st. NJ gets the trifecta brother combo, a marketing and team chemistry dream, and an 80 pt potential d man. And with Hamilton and Marino there, it doesn't decimate their right side. Burroughs is serviceable on their bottom pair. We solve our RHD issues going forward, and gain a late 1st. Add Garland on Vancouvers end for Miles Wood (gritty player) and either Holtz/Mercer and you have a deal. Edited October 24, 2022 by BureBurrito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Any deal with New Jersey has to involve Jesper Bratt. Love the kid. Bratt and Nemec for Quinn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuzy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Warhippy said: A recent review of 2nd overall draft picks shows beniers Byfield Kakko Svechnikov Patrick Laine Eichel Reinhardt Barkov Murray Landeskog Seguin Tell me, how many of those players you think is worth Hughes, If the answer is not a resounding 80% or more it's a massive gamble to lose to the best defenseman this teams ever drafted. There is no correlation between any of these players except for their draft slot... which is completely independent of how good of a player they become. Although to answer your question: Beniers, Svechnikov, Laine, Eichel, Barkov, Landeskog, Seguin are/were all really good/elite players, in a similar vein to Hughes. I hate to break it to you but Hughes is not a generational talent, he is simply an elite skater and offensive defenceman. Plus, you only mentioned 1 other defenceman in that list. Nemec is tracking to be a top pairing 2-way D, which is something we actually need badly. Trading Hughes for this plus a top-4 D and a 1st is pretty darn good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 57 minutes ago, Kuzy said: How is Nemec an unknown? He was the 2nd overall pick last draft... got picked ahead of Cooley and Wright. He's in Utica this year and holding his own as an 18 year old in the AHL. Guy is super valuable. 8 minutes ago, Kuzy said: There is no correlation between any of these players except for their draft slot... which is completely independent of how good of a player they become. Although to answer your question: Beniers, Svechnikov, Laine, Eichel, Barkov, Landeskog, Seguin are/were all really good/elite players, in a similar vein to Hughes. I hate to break it to you but Hughes is not a generational talent, he is simply an elite skater and offensive defenceman. Plus, you only mentioned 1 other defenceman in that list. Nemec is tracking to be a top pairing 2-way D, which is something we actually need badly. Trading Hughes for this plus a top-4 D and a 1st is pretty darn good value. You're moving the goal posts of your own statements. 2nd overall means nothing until and unless a player has proven themselves int eh big leagues. Out of that entire list stretching back a decade truly only 4 or 5 of those players are truly worth the squeeze. Where as a defenceman that is nearly ppg over their first three years on a truly troubled team is absolutely worth a fortune for very good reason. Nemec is not tracking to be anything I might add after only 4 games in the AHL where he's thus far been held off of the score sheet. We need a top pairing 2-way RHD is as well your statement. Until we trade our best young LHD that we've ever drafted to obtain it. once we trade him for that we now need a new young top pairing point getting LHD. See the issue here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Nemec might end up better than Quinn, I don't know if NJD does this unless they want to win now and stop their re-tooling. Hughes for Nemec + 1st is probably as far as they'd go Hughes + Schenn + Garland for Nemec + Severson + 1st (top-3 protected) I'd do in a flash though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Nemec might end up better than Quinn, I don't know if NJD does this unless they want to win now and stop their re-tooling. Hughes for Nemec + 1st is probably as far as they'd go Hughes + Schenn + Garland for Nemec + Severson + 1st (top-3 protected) I'd do in a flash though. Nemec is an unproven commodity and Hughes is one of the top D in the league already while signed for 5 more years at 7.85M. He would be a player that helps them now and moving forward. Hughes' would warrant a massive return. I wouldn't want Severson personally. If we're gonna tear down we should aim for some of their top end prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCE Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 To NJ Hughes & Hoglander To Van Serverson 6'2, Graves 6'5, Sharangovich 6'2, Foote 6'2 & 1st rd 2023 top 3 protected Sharangovich is who we need search this on youtube Braden Schneider Crushes Jesper Boqvist Before Fighting With Yegor Sharangovich If we decide to trade Horvat or Miller, Sharangovich could play Centre, OEL 6'2 with Myers hasn't done that great would like to see Graves 6'5 and Myers 6'8 Severson would be our #1 right dman, Foote hasn't played much in the NHL but in utica last year 32 pts in 55 games plus 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 12 hours ago, BureBurrito said: Add Garland on Vancouvers end for Miles Wood (gritty player) and either Holtz/Mercer and you have a deal. done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: Nemec is an unproven commodity and Hughes is one of the top D in the league already while signed for 5 more years at 7.85M. He would be a player that helps them now and moving forward. Hughes' would warrant a massive return. I wouldn't want Severson personally. If we're gonna tear down we should aim for some of their top end prospects. So what deal would you be OK with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 12 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Any deal with New Jersey has to involve Jesper Bratt. Love the kid. Bratt and Nemec for Quinn... that would be an interesting one for sure... Bratt with Petey and Podz could be outstanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 If we are trading Hughes is means full rebuild so Severson is a bad fit. Nemec, Holtz, and a 1st We can take back some bad cap from them to make it work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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