shiznak Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, -DLC- said: Again...when you have the #1 draft pick overall it matters. You're ahead of the game at that point. Getting knocked out in the first round with that pick means you're still not there yet (either). Thing is, some here excuse his lack of size but that isn't something at this point we should be compromising. We need more grit, not less. Miller gives us that, Marner doesn't. Depends what your definition of grit. Marner is a tenacious forechecker, who applies pressure to the opposing player, forcing them into a bad situation/quick decision, causing a turnover. Since entering the league, he’s 2nd in takeaways/60 (min. 400 games played) amongst forwards, only behind his linemate Matthews. 44th in blocked shots (219), only 10 behind Miller, while playing 14 less games. He also has had more hits than “grittier” players like Ryan O’Reilly, Connor Brown, Nick Bonino, Derek Ryan, Josh Bailey, Max Domi and Chris Tierney. 19 hours ago, JM_ said: for sure he'd be an awesome regular season addition. But is the cost worth it? 10.9 mil is a lot of cap space right now. I do think thats a legit debate to have. All I'm pointing out is he hasn't been close to dominant in the playoffs, and has been handled quite effectively in two appearances. There's no spin or angle to that comment, it's just a plain fact if people can get their backs down and just look at the results. If we're going to allocate 11 mil to a guy he needs to be 'that guy' in the playoffs as well. And we should do this again when it comes time to re-sign Petey because he'll be looking for something around 10 for sure. Its one of the reasons I want to see him in the playoffs again before we can extend him. Marner is only signed for 2 more years after this season, whereas Miller is signed for another 8, while being 5 years olderand probably has hit his peak. Marner’s age also aligns with our core players, while Miller doesn’t. Edited November 2, 2022 by shiznak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 hours ago, shiznak said: Depends what your definition of grit. Marner is a tenacious forechecker, who applies pressure to the opposing player, forcing them into a bad situation/quick decision, causing a turnover. Since entering the league, he’s 2nd in takeaways/60 (min. 400 games played) amongst forwards, only behind his linemate Matthews. 44th in blocked shots (219), only 10 behind Miller, while playing 14 less games. He also has had more hits than “grittier” players like Ryan O’Reilly, Connor Brown, Nick Bonino, Derek Ryan, Josh Bailey, Max Domi and Chris Tierney. Marner is only signed for 2 more years after this season, whereas Miller is signed for another 8, while being 5 years olderand probably has hit his peak. Marner’s age also aligns with our core players, while Miller doesn’t. this ^ is a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Are we doing this trade yet. Leafs can throw in a 2nd round pick so we will do it today. Bump it up to a conditional 1st if they get out of the first round of the playoffs. LOL they wish!! Edited November 2, 2022 by Claiborne55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 7:05 AM, JM_ said: for sure he'd be an awesome regular season addition. But is the cost worth it? 10.9 mil is a lot of cap space right now. I do think thats a legit debate to have. All I'm pointing out is he hasn't been close to dominant in the playoffs, and has been handled quite effectively in two appearances. There's no spin or angle to that comment, it's just a plain fact if people can get their backs down and just look at the results. If we're going to allocate 11 mil to a guy he needs to be 'that guy' in the playoffs as well. And we should do this again when it comes time to re-sign Petey because he'll be looking for something around 10 for sure. Its one of the reasons I want to see him in the playoffs again before we can extend him. Exactly. At least Petey tries in the playoffs. Marner, in numerous first round exits, has outright refused to put in anything close to an acceptable effort on any occasion. Even worse, he sees no issue with the fact that he doesn't care about winning. We can't be spending that kind of money on a lazy floater; you simply don't win when the way Marner plays is tolerated by the coaching staff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 19 game point streak, why would the Canucks want this guy? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 We'd probably have to trade Bo + 1st for Marner, no thanks. I'd do Miller and a 2nd and a prospect (Woo?) but that's probably not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Quacks Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 On 12/3/2022 at 10:03 PM, BoKnows said: 19 game point streak, why would the Canucks want this guy? miller play like man marner play like baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Quacks Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 JT Miller has 2 more even strength points than Luke Schenn, and the same amount as a disgruntled player who's flirting with being scratched. He can literally only show value to the Canucks when the other team is missing a player, yet I'm supposed to believe they say no to a Marner swap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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