HKSR Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Let's say Kuzmenko is the real deal, and continues his torrid pace. At the TDL, he's on pace for 40 goals and 80+ points. This would make him a bonafide top 3 forward on most teams in the league. Now, consider that he's on a super value deal this season. Would you trade him at the TDL with 50% retained? He could literally be traded to any contender in the entire league at $475k. The return could be massive as he could easily push any team over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Yes unless extension in place before trade deadline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 What would make the return even more impressive is knowing the Canucks gave up nothing to get Kuzmenko. A negative could be that whatever chemistry he's built with Mikheyev and Petey would be gone. He seems to create quite a bit of offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boknows08 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 No, unless he wants to be traded. The effort to get him here, chose to come here then turn around and trade him, wouldn’t look good. As mentioned above, the chemistry he’s building with Petey. Totally agree we need a lot of pieces. Trade Miller and Boeser first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Depends what an extension looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If Kuzmenko and Pettersson produce at this rate, they would become one of the top lines in the NHL. Would we still be losing games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Depends on what he wants in terms of an extension, but is mostly depends on whether he can keep up what he's doing which is no guarantee. If he continues what he's doing there's a good chance he might just price himself out of our range. But yeah, I'd absolutely trade him at the deadline for a good haul. Realistically we'll probably be sellers anyway, or at least we probably should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Depends what an extension looks like. Anywhere b/t 5-7mil is one guys guess if he keeps up this scoring pace: https://canucksarmy.com/news/when-can-the-canucks-extend-andrei-kuzmenko-and-whats-it-going-to-cost-them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 He's gonna be a 27 year old UFA. If he scores around a PPG pace or even a little less I expect a lot of the league to come calling. We might not be able to afford him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: If Kuzmenko and Pettersson produce at this rate, they would become one of the top lines in the NHL. Would we still be losing games? Yeah we would be losing games 5-4 because we cant keep pucks out of our net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Let's say Kuzmenko is the real deal, and continues his torrid pace. At the TDL, he's on pace for 40 goals and 80+ points. This would make him a bonafide top 3 forward on most teams in the league. Now, consider that he's on a super value deal this season. Would you trade him at the TDL with 50% retained? He could literally be traded to any contender in the entire league at $475k. The return could be massive as he could easily push any team over the top. No, I don’t think you do - for the same reason you don’t trade Miller even though we technically can. The optics are very bad and would create distrust between management and players being signed to new contracts. however - the exception to this is if kuzmenko and management are far apart on a deal to re-sign him. trade one of our many other forwards instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, Boknows08 said: No, unless he wants to be traded. The effort to get him here, chose to come here then turn around and trade him, wouldn’t look good. As mentioned above, the chemistry he’s building with Petey. Totally agree we need a lot of pieces. Trade Miller and Boeser first. I don't understand why people say things like "Trade Miller and Boeser first" Do you really think making trades is that linier ? do you think a rebuild/tool can happen by saying , "First we trade Miller, for a right shot defenseman who is 6'2" or taller with a booming slap shot" "Then we trade Boeser, for a big stay at home right shot defenseman, no older than 24" "Next we trade Myers, for a right shot 3rd line center who can shut down McD" "After that we'll trade Poolman for a Poolman without head injuries" "With a minute to go before the trade deadline we trade OEL, for 2 right wingers, one who fights and the other who scores goals" If you are going to make trades, you make them when the deal is right As the old saying goes, "strike whole the iron's hot" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If he isn't going to sign here- yes you trade him If he is going to want too much, yes trade him If he signs a reasonable deal, both money and term, then keep him. Likely have to let someone else go, so that has to be considered as well. "Is Kuz worth $5 mill per year, for 4 years- and Garland got moved, to make space? Questions being just what is 'reasonable' to him, and to the team; and who goes to make cap space? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 He signed to a one year entry deal, if they trade him- no one, in hockey, would think " Man I'm not signing with the Canucks cause of this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, gurn said: He signed to a one year entry deal, if they trade him- no one, in hockey, would think " Man I'm not signing with the Canucks cause of this" Also optics are way overplayed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: No, I don’t think you do - for the same reason you don’t trade Miller even though we technically can. The optics are very bad and would create distrust between management and players being signed to new contracts. however - the exception to this is if kuzmenko and management are far apart on a deal to re-sign him. trade one of our many other forwards instead I don't think so, if the Canucks continue to play how they have they'll be well on their way to missing the playoffs yet again. Nobody's gonna fault a team that should probably be sellers for selling. Dude is on a one year deal and was never a guarantee, now he's playing alongside one of our top players and getting premium ice time. The Canucks told him he'd get a chance here, he's absolutely getting what he was told he would. If anything that shows management and the coaching staff have followed through. I think the only think Kuzmenko might complain about is our inability to win, he may wish down the road that he'd been able to win here more like probably every other player who's come through Vancouver. His tenure as a Canuck, and the positions he's been put in, could absolutely make him rich. Edited November 8, 2022 by Coconuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) A lot to consider and play out before we get too crazy here Edited November 8, 2022 by Devron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 A grinding 82 game season can take a lot out of a player; especially in his first season. Lots of pt per game players on the team right now, but only one has actually ever made it to the end of a season with a pt per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boknows08 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, lmm said: I don't understand why people say things like "Trade Miller and Boeser first" Do you really think making trades is that linier ? do you think a rebuild/tool can happen by saying , "First we trade Miller, for a right shot defenseman who is 6'2" or taller with a booming slap shot" "Then we trade Boeser, for a big stay at home right shot defenseman, no older than 24" "Next we trade Myers, for a right shot 3rd line center who can shut down McD" "After that we'll trade Poolman for a Poolman without head injuries" "With a minute to go before the trade deadline we trade OEL, for 2 right wingers, one who fights and the other who scores goals" If you are going to make trades, you make them when the deal is right As the old saying goes, "strike whole the iron's hot" You misunderstand what I said but I also didn’t explain very good. I would look to explore trading numerous others before trading Kuz as long as he’s willing to sign at a decent number and we can afford him. Obviously there is no step by step plan to making trades. When an opportunity presents itself in making a trade to improve the team, then you do so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Let's say Kuzmenko is the real deal, and continues his torrid pace. At the TDL, he's on pace for 40 goals and 80+ points. This would make him a bonafide top 3 forward on most teams in the league. Now, consider that he's on a super value deal this season. Would you trade him at the TDL with 50% retained? He could literally be traded to any contender in the entire league at $475k. The return could be massive as he could easily push any team over the top. The maximum you could retain is 175k. any players cap hit cannot drop below the current league minimum of 775k. if he's a ppg player at the TDL he will likely be the most sought after rental in the league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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