[Proposals] Some ideas to balance the roster

[BigTramFan]

I'd like to see Allvin balance this roster by trading some of our offensive forward depth for help on D and a proper 3C. Obviously we also need to improve our righthand side D.

 

Here are some ideas for trades this season and in the off season with a view to having a decent roster starting next year.

 

Trades this season:

 

To WSH: Miller

To VAN: Eller + Iorio + 2023 1st round pick

 

Washington are languishing in the standings. They really need someone that can come in a score points. This is a relatively cheap way to get Miller, who could fill a 2C role in WSH centering a line with Mantha and Oshie. Eller is in his final year, so is just there to make the cap work for WSH but is a decent fill in this season for VAN (unlikely to be resigned in 2023). Iorio projects as a potential top 4 RD in 2 years...

 

To BUF: Boeser

To VAN: 2023 2nd round pick (from PHI) + 2023 2nd round pick (from VGK)

 

Buffalo are struggling to score lately and has three 2nd round picks in 2023. Boeser can provide goal scoring on a line with Cozens and Quinn. VAN clears cap and gets a modest return for Boeser...

 

To PHI: Garland

To VAN: Laughton

 

Philly needs a spark in their top 6. VAN needs a long term 3C to balance our roster...

 

Trade in the off season after signing bonuses are paid:

 

To CHI: Myers ($2m retained) + Pearson + 2023 2nd round pick (from PHI)

To VAN: Murphy

 

Chicago is still in rebuilding mode. After VAN pays signing bonuses the cost of salary for Myers is only $667k (with 33% retention) and for Pearson is only $2.75m. Chicago can flip Myers and Pearson with 50% retention at the 2023/24 TDL. Myers probably gets them a 1st or 2nd. Pearson probably gets them a 2nd or 3rd round pick. VAN gets rid of cap and nets a top 4 RD...

 

The net result of these trades gives VAN 2x 1st round picks + 2x 2nd round picks in 2023.

 

UFA signings in off season:

 

Resign Horvat $7.5m x 8 years; Kuzmenko $5m x 5 years; Bear $2m x 2 years; Dermott $1.5m x 2 years; Hoglander $1.25m x 2 years; Schenn $1.1m x 2 years; Burroughs $950k x 3 years

 

I also feel the team needs to add some size and truculence, so other UFA signings are:

 

Miles Wood $3.75 x 4 years

Max Domi $3.75m x 4 years

Oscar Sundqvist $3m x 3 years

Scott Mayfield $4m x 4 years

 

Roster for next season:

 

 

Plus approx $19m in cap space in 2024/25 to be able to resign Petey, Podz, Martin.

 

This is the direction I would like to see the team heading. I think these trades are reasonably fair, but I understand it is unlikely Allvin trades Miller after extending him.

 

Thoughts?

Edited November 14, 2022 by BigTramFan

[Alflives]

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Alflives

[Nucker 67]

Been thinking, and it won't be a popular opinion, but the Canucks young players aren't that good. 

 

Pettersson

Podkolzin

Hoglander

Rathbone

I could also add Hughes, because he makes a lot of bad mistakes playing defense, but I'll give him the edge, because of his elite skating. He's a keeper and just needs a solid D partner who has his back. I like Schenn, but he's not a top pairing Dman.

 

The Canucks also have very few promising prospects. So, what does the future hold?  More spinning wheels waiting for Hoglander to figure it out? More waiting for Petey to stop falling down and losing the puck? 

 

IMO, everyone not names Quinn Hughes should be on the table. Canucks needs some real studs coming up the ranks, working to earn their spot on the team. 

 

 

 

[Coconuts]

The Miller deal would probably have to be contingent on their being sure Backstrom isn't coming back but I'd do it 

 

Boeser to Buffalo is interesting but I question whether he'd return two 2nd's, he might 

 

Not sure Philly wants to move Laughton 

 

Would rather hold onto Myers and Pearson, try to pump their value up a bit, and try and retain 50% of both at the deadline

 

Would be better than giving up yet another 2nd, and I'm sure someone would take Myers on at 3M 

[Coconuts]

I also think that if that's all it took to retain Bo there's a chance it'd be done by now 

[Blue Jay 22]

I keep seeing these Miller proposals…folks that yellow brick road avenue is closed now. For starters, good luck convincing anybody to take on an 8 year contract. Excluding sign and trade deals, the only example I can think of a person being moved before a long extension kicked in was Jeff Carter from Columbus to LA, and he didn’t even sign his extension with Columbus and it was well documented he was unhappy in Columbus before the move. And when they eventually did make the move, they got fleeced.

 

The other issue is team and franchise reputation will take a hit if management signs a player to a long term extension, then immediately flip him before it kicks in. Good luck convincing any B level and above free agent to sign here after openly showing dysfunction.

[R3aL]

6 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I also think that if that's all it took to retain Bo there's a chance it'd be done by now 

I think we could have signed him to that in the summer, before we offered him $5 and gave JT $8 and he’s been out performing JT by a landslide. 

[Coconuts]

6 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

I keep seeing these Miller proposals…folks that yellow brick road avenue is closed now. For starters, good luck convincing anybody to take on an 8 year contract. Excluding sign and trade deals, the only example I can think of a person being moved before a long extension kicked in was Jeff Carter from Columbus to LA, and he didn’t even sign his extension with Columbus and it was well documented he was unhappy in Columbus before the move. And when they eventually did make the move, they got fleeced.

 

The other issue is team and franchise reputation will take a hit if management signs a player to a long term extension, then immediately flip him before it kicks in. Good luck convincing any B level and above free agent to sign here after openly showing dysfunction.

I think that depends on which direction the Canucks decide to go in, what Miller wants, and what Miller publicly expresses. The optics don't look good, but realistically Miller didn't sign on to lose either. Could be that moving him could be best for both him and the Canucks, and I think a trade would have to involve some input on his part as far as landing spots he'd be okay with being moved to go. 

 

Because of the extension in place it'd probably be best to approach it as if he's got a trade clause. But if he's not opposed to being moved, the Canucks can find a more competitive landing spot for him, and it actually works out for both sides I could see that mitigating some of the poor optics. It'd be making the best of a poor situation, and give both sides an out, particularly if the Canucks lean into a rebuild and change direction.

 

I think there are paths to a Miller trade, and I don't think trading him necessarily has to be a black mark. But I do think they'd need to work with him on it. He's a competitive guy who clearly hates losing, maybe we can send him somewhere he'd win more that would work for him and his family. He gets his money either way.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Coconuts

[cripplereh]

6 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

I keep seeing these Miller proposals…folks that yellow brick road avenue is closed now. For starters, good luck convincing anybody to take on an 8 year contract. Excluding sign and trade deals, the only example I can think of a person being moved before a long extension kicked in was Jeff Carter from Columbus to LA, and he didn’t even sign his extension with Columbus and it was well documented he was unhappy in Columbus before the move. And when they eventually did make the move, they got fleeced.

 

The other issue is team and franchise reputation will take a hit if management signs a player to a long term extension, then immediately flip him before it kicks in. Good luck convincing any B level and above free agent to sign here after openly showing dysfunction.

Nope wrong as Miller wants to win so signing him then trading him would not look bad at all. 

 

A team like Boston or DRW, NJD all should want a player like him even NYI or NYR.

[cripplereh]

And balance?  

That is what they have tried for ten years that does not work. 

 

Rebuild or be stuck no playoffs till you do.

[BigTramFan]

10 hours ago, Coconuts said:

Would rather hold onto Myers and Pearson, try to pump their value up a bit, and try and retain 50% of both at the deadline

 

Would be better than giving up yet another 2nd, and I'm sure someone would take Myers on at 3M 

If we are holding onto Myers and Pearson until next season's TDL (which is the only time I think they will return picks as rentals) then you may as well write off next season too as they are taking up more than $9m in cap space. And then you may as well write off resigning Petey imo.

 

I think a team with a heap of cap space (such as CHI) would quite willingly take on Myers at $3-4m cap hit ($500-700k actual cash to pay) with the sole intention of trading him with another 50% retained and netting a 1st or 2nd round pick.

 

The 2nd round pick we pay in my proposal is primarily the cost of getting Murphy.

[BigTramFan]

11 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I also think that if that's all it took to retain Bo there's a chance it'd be done by now 

People said the same about Miller and how long it took to agree his deal. I am sure i have read that Horvat's camp was asking for $7.75m long term, so I don't think $7.5m is unrealistic for Horvat.