Angry Goose Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) The goal is to be a big, fast, ultra competitive 2 way team. They’ve got already some great pieces to build around that idea. It is up to mgmt to get this team headed in that direction. If they can, the team might turn it around sooner than later. Stays: EP Hughes Demko Im in no rush to trade any of these guys. Like the old saying goes if something comes along that blows the doors off then yes, do it. Mikheyev Podz Hoagie Aman Lazar Studnicka Kuzmenko Joshua - contingent on consistency. However, if he needs to be added to move another player in a desirable deal-so be it. Burroughs Bear This group suits the identity of this team. They can stay. OEL Stuck with him for now. Just gotta hope with a good d partner that can bail him out in the d zone and he bounces back with a detailed defensive system/roster. Martin Because he’s awesome. Gone: Horvat Meyers Boeser Garland Pearson Stillman Rathbone Schenn - Canucks need assets to facilitate other moves and he is a UFA. Tough but needs to be done. Canucks definitely need guys like him on the roster. Miller - Im on the fence. Lots of different reasons for different players, but identity wise (imo) you can improve or at least try different looks to see what works. For Bo and Garland its more about getting assets to help improve the team. It’s a lot of players but if mgmt wants to turn things around in a couple years well you gotta be bold. Hopefully Canucks draft in the top 3-5. Edited February 17 by Angry Goose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Hughes isn't big. And if we have any chance at all to completely re-jig this team. No one will garner more return than Hughes, he might even get a RHD in return. He's a great player, and it would be a shame to move him. But this team needs defenders who can defend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Hughes isn't big. And if we have any chance at all to completely re-jig this team. No one will garner more return than Hughes, he might even get a RHD in return. He's a great player, and it would be a shame to move him. But this team needs defenders who can defend. Wrong, this team needs defenders who can defend AND defenders who can move the puck and bring offense. You trade Hughes, you're just creating another hole back there. And you'll never get full value for him. All you'll get is a package of 1st rounder and prospects, and you hope they all pan out, otherwise you're trading the best player of the deal. Defenders who can defends are easy to find. The difficulty is finding a defender who can defends consistently AND play 22+ minutes a night, especially on the right side. Only options to acquire such a player is to draft and develop him or overpay during free agency or overpay via trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 canucks couldn't play with structure (green), now they can't play without it (bruce). are there any other styles left? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Great idea, let's be the 2007-2008 Red Wings instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 hours ago, smithers joe said: canucks couldn't play with structure (green), now they can't play without it (bruce). are there any other styles left? There is clearly a roster issue going on joe. my proposal addresses that. Having Trotz embraces the philosophy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Hughes isn't big. And if we have any chance at all to completely re-jig this team. No one will garner more return than Hughes, he might even get a RHD in return. He's a great player, and it would be a shame to move him. But this team needs defenders who can defend. Neither is Hoagie but I like both of their skill sets, even in the d zone. What they lack in size they make up with other attributes. Goal is to surround them with a more cohesive roster. And being so young you would hope they keep improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Coconuts said: Great idea, let's be the 2007-2008 Red Wings instead or the 2022-23 Toronto Raptors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 7 of the 9 guys you want gone have term left. Getting rid of them all is an incredibly tall order. Based on the current rumours Horvat appears to be on his way out. Kuzmenko likely doesn’t stay. 2 of the guys you want to keep (Burroughs and Schenn) are pending UFA’s. So they’re more likely to move than the guys you want gone. All in all I think you’re in for some disappointment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 10 hours ago, qwijibo said: 7 of the 9 guys you want gone have term left. Getting rid of them all is an incredibly tall order. Based on the current rumours Horvat appears to be on his way out. Kuzmenko likely doesn’t stay. 2 of the guys you want to keep (Burroughs and Schenn) are pending UFA’s. So they’re more likely to move than the guys you want gone. All in all I think you’re in for some disappointment that’s mgmt’s task not mine. it’s their job to be creative/intelligent and get the job done. my proposal is more about a philosophy/ direction in any event. if mgmt sit on their hands meanwhile ep/hughes/demko waste away well, that’s an entirely different discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Me start with Miller he can be traded.Get calls and see what we can get for others trying to keep players younger and doing decent. Maybe we get deals for one we can't say no to them pull the trigger make us better and if we fall least next year we will have a direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Angry Goose said: that’s mgmt’s task not mine. it’s their job to be creative/intelligent and get the job done. my proposal is more about a philosophy/ direction in any event. if mgmt sit on their hands meanwhile ep/hughes/demko waste away well, that’s an entirely different discussion What I’m saying is that it’s not a realistic task to expect them to accomplish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, qwijibo said: What I’m saying is that it’s not a realistic task to expect them to accomplish Who of that 9 is immovable? After this season: Myers has 1 year left and you can retain Pearson 1 year left and you can retain Garland is a good player. Boeser might seem like a bet worth taking. Everyone else is moveable to some extent or replaceable. As far as being realistic goes, if mgmt really wants to turn this around in short order they better be realistic about getting the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: Who of that 9 is immovable? After this season: Myers has 1 year left and you can retain Pearson 1 year left and you can retain Garland is a good player. Boeser might seem like a bet worth taking. Everyone else is moveable to some extent or replaceable. As far as being realistic goes, if mgmt really wants to turn this around in short order they better be realistic about getting the job done. True enough that everyone is moveable, but can we do a full dumperoo for them? That’s the indicator of actual value. Sadly, we are like the HaberLOSERS and we have several guys that would take sugar for us to dumperoo. They have Anderson, et al and we have OEL et al. Guys that will cost to get rid of. They have more of these LOSERS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: True enough that everyone is moveable, but can we do a full dumperoo for them? That’s the indicator of actual value. Sadly, we are like the HaberLOSERS and we have several guys that would take sugar for us to dumperoo. They have Anderson, et al and we have OEL et al. Guys that will cost to get rid of. They have more of these LOSERS though. I dont know. I think Myers has value. If u retain he becomes more enticing I think. Any kind of futures Ill take and replace him with/re-sign Burroughs. Pearson if u retain 1 million I think will have value (a reunion with LAK maybe?) Doesnt help that he’s injured but TDL/off season is a long ways away i guess. Boeser wont get much back but i dont care. Drance keeps saying his value will increase but its total BS-everyone knows what he is. A triggerman with the right team is where he belongs. Losing Bo obviously hurts but the return should be a couple of good future assets. Garland I could keep, but if you want a rangy 2 way team you need to move some of the smaller players out- perhaps you choose Hoagie instead…. The rest are not necessarily must moves and I think a lot easier to do. But if we end up with the same roster next season playing the same way Ill be in the pond pecking kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Angry Goose said: Who of that 9 is immovable? After this season: Myers has 1 year left and you can retain Pearson 1 year left and you can retain Garland is a good player. Boeser might seem like a bet worth taking. Everyone else is moveable to some extent or replaceable. As far as being realistic goes, if mgmt really wants to turn this around in short order they better be realistic about getting the job done. I’m talking on a whole. You want them to move nearly half the roster in a league with a static salary cap and nmc’s. I could see a couple moves. But expecting them to move out 9 guys is naive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I’m talking on a whole. You want them to move nearly half the roster in a league with a static salary cap and nmc’s. I could see a couple moves. But expecting them to move out 9 guys is naive 5 hours ago, Angry Goose said: my proposal is more about a philosophy/ direction in any event. if mgmt sit on their hands meanwhile ep/hughes/demko waste away well, that’s an entirely different discussion Quote me where I said it all had to happen this TDL or off season? The more the merrier but that wasnt the original point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 Joshua, Kuzmenko up Miller down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 bump for TDL lets go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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