PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Just now, vancan2233 said: It's funny to think how many posters here were upset we traded a 5th round pick for him. This could be one of the best low key trades the Canucks had made in a long time. Hope these posters feel foolish for their cluelessness. It really did not take much hockey knowledge to know this before Bear even played one game for the canucks I think people were still feeling the sting from the Dickinson for Stillman trade, which involved a much higher pick for a much lower quality defenseman. Bear is so much better than Stillman in literally every way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think people were still feeling the sting from the Dickinson for Stillman trade, which involved a much higher pick for a much lower quality defenseman. Bear is so much better than Stillman in literally every way. Well, that's on them too, because they still do not understand the Stillman trade. Its ok; we have professionals running the team; not CDCers. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Well, that's on them too, because they still do not understand the Stillman trade. Its ok; we have professionals running the team; not CDCers. Who really understands the Stillman trade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Goal:thecup Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Who really understands the Stillman trade? JR and PA; there are several explanations posted right here on CDC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: OK, I will be fair to you. This is circular thinking, which is a logical fallicy. your taking the canucks record with dries in the lineup and using that trying to confirm they are a good player. But as we know hockey is a team sport. and we also know if BB thought he was such a good player he would be playing more than 4th line minutes. He has offensive talent, but he lacks in many area's. we are strife with offensive talent though and i would much rather have studnicka or pearson in the lineup. Dries isn't going to be taking many PK shifts for us. He brings offense to the bottom 6, and plays well away from the puck. He may not be a bruiser, but he back checks and is in position defensively. I too at first was upset about him in the line-up. I then said to myself pay attention to what he does, and guess what he is helping the team. Watch the kid without blinders on, because you have it in the back of your mind he only an Ahler. He does good things on the ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: OK, I will be fair to you. This is circular thinking, which is a logical fallicy. your taking the canucks record with dries in the lineup and using that trying to confirm they are a good player. But as we know hockey is a team sport. and we also know if BB thought he was such a good player he would be playing more than 4th line minutes. He has offensive talent, but he lacks in many area's. we are strife with offensive talent though and i would much rather have studnicka or pearson in the lineup. Dries isn't going to be taking many PK shifts for us. OK... let's just strictly look at individual production, Dries vs Hoglander.... who's helping us more now so far this season?? I don't mean Dries is going to be our long term solution at 3C but I would much rather have him help the team on 3rd or 4th line than have Hoglander not doing anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Who really understands the Stillman trade? Dickinson had to go to facilitate the bear acquisition cap reasons. Plus bear is cooler than Dickinson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: JR and PA; there are several explanations posted right here on CDC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Just now, chon derry said: Dickinson had to go to facilitate the bear acquisition cap reasons. Plus bear is cooler than Dickinson Way cooler. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rychicken Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, chon derry said: Dickinson had to go to facilitate the bear acquisition cap reasons. Plus bear is cooler than Dickinson read too quickly....thought it said beer cooler and I got excited now I am sad.... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: You are still not understanding, thats on you. Edited November 24, 2022 by vancan2233 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, vancan2233 said: You are still not understanding, thats on you. I understand. You merely can't accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: I understand. You merely can't accept. Accept what, you fail to understand one trade is done so another can be made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Just now, vancan2233 said: Accept what, you fail to understand one trade is done so another can be made. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, chon derry said: Dickinson had to go to facilitate the bear acquisition cap reasons. Plus bear is cooler than Dickinson Yeah, it’s not so bad overall if you look at those two trades taken together as a single transaction: Dickinson + 2nd + 5th for Bear (400K AAV retained) + Stillman + Pederson There’s also an element of “having to lose to win.” Sometimes you need to be willing to lose a trade or two as part of the overall transactional process designed to improve a roster. This is especially true when a team is under cap pressure and needs to dump salary. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhillipBlunt Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Yeah, it’s not so bad overall if you look at those two trades taken together as a single transaction: Dickinson + 2nd + 5th for Bear (400K AAV retained) + Stillman + Pederson There’s also an element of “having to lose to win.” Sometimes you need to be willing to lose a trade or two as part of the overall transactional process designed to improve a roster. This is especially true when a team is under cap pressure and needs to dump salary. For sure. Now to find a way to offload Stillman onto another team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, RakuRaku said: OK... let's just strictly look at individual production, Dries vs Hoglander.... who's helping us more now so far this season?? I don't mean Dries is going to be our long term solution at 3C but I would much rather have him help the team on 3rd or 4th line than have Hoglander not doing anything hoglander has not played great since BB took over and almost immediately their minutes were dropped from about 15 a game to about 10-11. it seems hoglander is in the doghouse. another fact is that even though hoglander has been in the doghouse the entirety of the time BB has been here. Dries still has played less games and averages less minutes when he plays too. Maybe Dries takes over from hoglander, but im guessing BB is just sitting him in the corner to think about what he has done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I forgot , people on here think any trade they think of can be done. It so easy to trade with 32 other NHL teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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