[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Colorado Avalanche | Nov. 23, 2022

[coolboarder]

7 hours ago, Muttley said:

 

I would say to Makar, it has been called like that in the past.  While I agree that you are entitled to that position and stood and done nothing, you had to know that they are going to call it if the puck carrier decide to use you as a blocking their way to gain advantage.  It is more of a puck carrier's fault for changing the direction.   You are stuck in a no man land.  Had he carried the puck the left, you are good but if he decides to change the direction, it is an automatic interference call if the defender were going the other way to keep up with the puck carrier.  It has been called like that since forever when the drop pass on the pp first invented by Sedin Twins.   The only way is to have the rule change for incident like this for next season.  In the meantime, you have to not go and stand in the blueline. You have two options, go left or right, to allow for defender to freely move in the neutral zone.  While this is a legal basketball move, blocking is not allowed in hockey.

[ilduce39]

57 minutes ago, lmm said:

a .500 record is still average

however with he loser point and the NHL either not able to do math or simply rusing the fans

what passes for a .500 record is a joke

3-3-6 is not a .500 record, even if the NHL says it is.

I am surprised that no grade 4 math wizz has never taken the NHL to task on this

I like the “3 points for a regulation win” idea. 2 for an overtime / shootout win and 1 for the OT loser point… but it make reading standings look even uglier.

[Fanuck]

29 minutes ago, stawns said:

playoffs or not, there's a big shake up coming because they can't keep Bo and Miller and then have enough $ to sign Petey to the mammoth contract he's going to get soon.  So regardless of standings, one of Bo or Miller is going to be moved........at least.

Wouldn't surprise me to see this management group sign BoHo to a 7 year deal , then have him, Petey and Miller playing in front of 9 AHL guys and the EXACT same defence as we have right now for the foreseeable future. 

 

JR should never have hinted that 'big changes' were coming if he had neither the intentions or ability to enact them. 

[ilduce39]

31 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

Whether or not this management group looks forward enough to know that Petey's contract is going to be up after next year remains to be seen.

I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that Petey is just fine waiting till next offseason before signing.  
 

I wouldn’t want to lock myself into this nonsense and his price is only going up.

[MeanSeanBean]

47 minutes ago, MikeyD said:

Now I feel extra bad you have to read my sh*tty posts.

Bahaha hilarious. It's one of the reasons I spend so much time here ( and also why my posts are often edited). Practice makes perfect

[AnthonyG]

34 minutes ago, Comeback_Kings said:

I believe in the current team enough to think they should sign Bo Horvat now.  Management has really messed this up.  

As much as people hate Benning, he handed them a trade chip that he never had to accelerate the rebuild. JR and PA were handed JT Miller on a golden f***ing platter and his trade value doubled since acquiring him. Yet we chose to re-sign him instead of injecting a shot of adrenaline to the prospect pipe line and to the roster. 

[The Colt 45s]

1 hour ago, lmm said:

a .500 record is still average

however with he loser point and the NHL either not able to do math or simply rusing the fans

what passes for a .500 record is a joke

3-3-6 is not a .500 record, even if the NHL says it is.

I am surprised that no grade 4 math wizz has never taken the NHL to task on this

A 3-6-3 is really a polite way of saying 3-9

Edited November 24, 2022 by The Colt 45s

[Gawdzukes]

40 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:

Imagine trading the dude. Drafted and developed here, mentored by the Sedins, now blossoming into the kind of scorer that nobody saw coming back in his prospect days - the words most used to describe Bo were “dependable”….not “prolific”. Folks, almost to the quarter pole in the season and he LEADS THE NHL IN GOALS. Let that sink in. I personally think the more he scores the less likely he is to be traded. Let’s say he’s on a 50 goal pace right around “prime time” for a trade would be….what horrific PR to move him (some are saying Boston, WTF?) and watch him pot his 50th in another jersey. I don’t want to see this on my watch. Rutherford (Jimbo #2), do your job, adjust the roster and payroll where needed, and get our captain signed. This is what you are paid to do.

 

The only way I’d be ok to trade Bo is if Rutherford and company commit to a FULL REBUILD….a tear it down to the studs type of thing. A “retool” on the fly is not helped by trading Bo Horvat in my opinion. His presence helps you win for at least a 5 year window. I think folks think Bo is old….he’s 27….McJesus is 25. 

 

One more thing….if anyone hear suffers from insomnia, give the PDOcast show on SN650 a try. Miracle cure!

 

40 minutes ago, Comeback_Kings said:

Disagree, they have to move some other money player out.  Myers 6 mil deal expires before a new deal needs to be given to Petey.  .    

My Gawd, where do people think this unlimited amount of money comes from?

[vancan2233]

26 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

What a steal of a trade pick if Robertson can produce like this for the next few years. 

[ShawnAntoski]

8 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

7-5-1 in our last 13, and thats with 3 of those games easily winnable but choked by goaltending. Could have been 10-2-1.

 

The fact of the matter is that this team in front of us, is far better than its record dictates. 3 points out of the playoffs and finally figuring it out, with 62 games left, don't be surprised to see your comment age like milk. 

A similar finish to last year: NHL Purgatory or Playoff fodder = no Stanley Cups.  Same MO, whilst  some of the rebuilding clubs, that did it right will be SERIOUSLY CONTENDING FOR A CUP.  I would hope my comment will be wrong but if you had been paying attention - winning a regular season game, is very different than winning a playoff series.   I get it and let's enjoy the rise to NHL Purgatory...

Edited November 24, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[EmilyM]

8 minutes ago, vancan2233 said:

What a steal of a trade pick if Robertson can produce like this for the next few years. 

Already looking like a massive steal of an extension for him too

[ShawnAntoski]

8 hours ago, Alflives said:

If Demko gets his game back to Double Bubble level (like he's proven he can before) then we will win a lot of games.  Martin was not exceptional last night, yet we played well enough to win.  This club will be as good (or bad) as Demko.  But do we want a team that needs to have super elite goaltending to win?  Or do we want to build a team that can be so good it can cover for average goalie performances?  

Maybe, they get in and become the Cinderella team in the playoffs and afterwards, make another appearance a decade (or two) later (82, 94, 11 & ?).  

Edited November 25, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[ShawnAntoski]

26 minutes ago, vancan2233 said:

What a steal of a trade pick if Robertson can produce like this for the next few years. 

Robertson: a 2nd round lottery ticket that panned out

[kilgore]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

 

 

Stat Folder └ NHL └Goals └Leaders └Bo Horvat └ ⚠️

 

This is from the Canucks official Twitter account.  

The ⚠️ is there to say.......holy %$#&  this guy is going to cost us big!

[NUCKER67]

Thinking they have to trade Miller.  All of those years invested in developing Bo Horvat, drafted as a Canuck and given the C from Henrik.  He might cost $9 in his next contract, but if he's producing like this and he's just entering his prime? Not to mention all of the crappy wingers he's had over the years, and never complained. Perseverance. 

 

On the other hand, trading him now would bring back a big return. Such a tough decision really.  Bo or JT.  I'm leaning towards Bo.

 

 

[Jaimito]

5-4-1 last 10.

 

I wonder if Martin starts v VGK and Demko v SJ.  Demko is from San Diego, maybe has some family attending the SJ game. 

[lmm]

1 hour ago, The Colt 45s said:

A 3-6-3 is really a polite way of saying 3-9

Polite, like then the vacuum cleaner salesman tells you he's giving you such a great deal that his children will go hungry tonight

but he won't take his foot out of your doorway

[VanCan2023]

6 hours ago, Bad_BOI_pete said:

hoglander has not played great since BB took over and almost immediately their minutes were dropped from about 15 a game to about 10-11. it seems hoglander is in the doghouse.

 

another fact is that even though hoglander has been in the doghouse the entirety of the time BB has been here. Dries still has played less games and averages less minutes when he plays too.

 

Maybe Dries takes over from hoglander, but im guessing BB is just sitting him in the corner to think about what he has done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hogs got a bit of top line munuets earlier with injuries. However once he made a few bad plays that all growing young players do, he got thrown to the 4th, or wearing a suit watching in the players box. Basically it's here's your chance on the top 6 to prove yourself for a game, if you don't, your back to square one. How can a young player learn and grow with either all the pressure on the top 2, or little to no playing time?  I'm no player and development expert, but something tells me that is exactly what not to do. 

[Locke Lamora]

29 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Thinking they have to trade Miller.  All of those years invested in developing Bo Horvat, drafted as a Canuck and given the C from Henrik.  He might cost $9 in his next contract, but if he's producing like this and he's just entering his prime? Not to mention all of the crappy wingers he's had over the years, and never complained. Perseverance. 

 

On the other hand, trading him now would bring back a big return. Such a tough decision really.  Bo or JT.  I'm leaning towards Bo.

 

 

I agree with this. Initially I thought there was a snow balls’ chance in hell we’d be able to trade Miller and that contract. But after that wretched start - and since putting him on Bo’s wing - he’s been better and the points are coming for him now. Maybe you can find a taker. But after not being able to drum up adequate return last Summer….I still have doubts about sleepy Jim and his little helper Allvin.

[lmm]

1 hour ago, ilduce39 said:

I like the “3 points for a regulation win” idea. 2 for an overtime / shootout win and 1 for the OT loser point… but it make reading standings look even uglier.

I have always thought that the better answer would have been

3 points for a win

1 point for a tie

 

you may or may not remember, before the OT started that the NHL was trying to stop teams, (Montreal, Buffalo, Chicago) from "Locking down" to protect the tie with 10 minutes to go in the third.

At the time I think Chicago was winning their division with 20 ties a year, while Montreal and Buffalo games would have 1 shot each way in the final 10 minutes of the game.

Then came overtime

4-4 overtime

3-3 overtime 

shootouts

and loser points

the irony is that when the Canucks are in a tie situation John says to John, "Both teams are going to lock down to ensure they each take home a point

 

So, in effect, all the rule changes are moot and the original problem is now considered responsible hockey

 

they used to say that "a tie was like kissing your sister"

now they say,  "Each team will put a point in their hip pocket and try for the "'extra point"' (I find it funny that John and John need to say this every game as if it is still 2013 )

They used to say "3 points for a win would ruin the historical points records"

but we now have .500 hockey that is not really .500 hockey,

so what is the gain or the rational ?