[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Colorado Avalanche | Nov. 23, 2022

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, vancan2233 said:

What a steal of a trade pick if Robertson can produce like this for the next few years. 

Amazing what 2nd round picks sometimes turn into if you actually hold on to them and use them. 

[VanCan2023]

3 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Amazing what 2nd round picks sometimes turn into if you actually hold on to them and use them. 

What is this second round pick you speak of??? 

[Qwags]

4 hours ago, -AJ- said:

It's honestly a bit tragic that we're in virtually the exact same position we were last year. Most people feel like our team can be a very good team, but we're underperforming. Even if we do go on fire again, we've set ourselves so far back that we need to be one of the top 5 teams from here until the end of the season just to ensure that we make the playoffs. It's crazy how far back a rough start can set you.

We've seen this song and dance every year the past 5 years. At what point does management realize that they simply have to reset?

[lmm]

1 hour ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Maybe, they get in and become the Cinderella team in the playoffs and afterwards, make another appearance a decade (or two) later (82, 94, 11 & ?).  

they went 12 years 

12 years 

17 years

if we did a proper rebuild starting today,

we might just get there in 2028

17 years

so all that farting around ol Jimmer did "short circuiting the rebuild was actually "KEEPING THE STARS ALIGNED"

Remember the hyperbaric chamber and sleep doctors?

This is good old fashioned Numerology

 

Maybe they just need to hire a good astrologist  https://sallybrompton.com/ and wait until 2028

 

 

and people thought the ol Hockey Gaud was flakey

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, VanCan2023 said:

What is this second round pick you speak of??? 

The ones we’ve been trading away for the last decade.  The cost of Vey, Baer, Gudbranson, Sutter, OEL, and this year to dumperoo Dickinson.  And likely I’ve missed some.  

[lmm]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The ones we’ve been trading away for the last decade.  The cost of Vey, Baer, Gudbranson, Sutter, OEL, and this year to dumperoo Dickinson.  And likely I’ve missed some.  

I'M SURE YOU HAVE MISSED A FEW AS WELL

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008756.html

 

the thing is, this team doesn't do much better when we keep our 2nds

but there sure is a lot of holes in that^ list

[ShawnAntoski]

3 minutes ago, lmm said:

they went 12 years 

12 years 

17 years

if we did a proper rebuild starting today,

we might just get there in 2028

17 years

so all that farting around ol Jimmer did "short circuiting the rebuild was actually "KEEPING THE STARS ALIGNED"

Remember the hyperbaric chamber and sleep doctors?

This is good old fashioned Numerology

 

Maybe they just need to hire a good astrologist  https://sallybrompton.com/ and wait until 2028

 

 

and people thought the ol Hockey Gaud was flakey

One & done rosters, for the most part; and your numbers are in par with Canucks history.  So the time line MIGHT fit or not ?  Who knows but 3 Stanley Cup appearance in 50+ years, with no cup..

[lmm]

1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said:

One & done rosters, for the most part; and your numbers are in par with Canucks history.  So the time line MIGHT fit or not ?  Who knows but 3 Stanley Cup appearance in 50+ years, with no cup..

yup

you know I wa alright with trading Gaudette

but I think they should have signed his wife and her chrystals to a $6,X6 contract

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, lmm said:

I'M SURE YOU HAVE MISSED A FEW AS WELL

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008756.html

 

the thing is, this team doesn't do much better when we keep our 2nds

but there sure is a lot of holes in that^ list

Yup.  We should have been adding top 100 picks and not trading them away in hopes of “winning” now.  

[Wayne Jetski]

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Edited November 25, 2022 by Wayne Jetski

[lmm]

21 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Amazing what 2nd round picks sometimes turn into if you actually hold on to them and use them. 

you mean like Keith, Subban and Weber?

or Woo, Lind and Gadjovich?

[ShawnAntoski]

9 minutes ago, lmm said:

I'M SURE YOU HAVE MISSED A FEW AS WELL

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008756.html

 

the thing is, this team doesn't do much better when we keep our 2nds

but there sure is a lot of holes in that^ list

Probably, matter who is doing the pick and what happens when they get, in the system.  Ofcourse, the percentages are what they are but a GM that constantly believes or (contsantly) undervalues, draft picks is not a good GM - imo cause a team goes through various compete levels and a decent GM should know when to go all in or when to build up through the draft.  So far, all of Aquamans' GM's where working with a short term approach vs what Yzerman got with Illich, when they decided to move on from Holland.  After 3yrs of patiently rebuilding, Yzerman seems ready to turn the page.

Edited November 25, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[ShawnAntoski]

6 minutes ago, lmm said:

yup

you know I wa alright with trading Gaudette

but I think they should have signed his wife and her chrystals to a $6,X6 contract

Sure and why not. 

[stawns]

32 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Amazing what 2nd round picks sometimes turn into if you actually hold on to them and use them. 

they can turn into great things if you use them in trades as well.  In fact, I'd bet they turn out better as an asset more than they do as an actual pick

[Gawdzukes]

22 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Wouldn't surprise me to see this management group sign BoHo to a 7 year deal , then have him, Petey and Miller playing in front of 9 AHL guys and the EXACT same defence as we have right now for the foreseeable future. 

 

JR should never have hinted that 'big changes' were coming if he had neither the intentions or ability to enact them. 

My biggest fear. These guys seem to have trouble with simple math. I'm sure they'll just trade away our 23 and 24 firsts to get themselves cap compliant.

[Coconuts]

33 minutes ago, lmm said:

you mean like Keith, Subban and Weber?

or Woo, Lind and Gadjovich?

Sometimes you get column A, sometimes you get column B. But you've gotta have them to be able to roll the dice. Some of the blame can also be allocated to our in-house development. Or to Benning not being the super scout we thought he was while running the Canucks. 

 

24 minutes ago, stawns said:

they can turn into great things if you use them in trades as well.  In fact, I'd bet they turn out better as an asset more than they do as an actual pick

They can, but for this team they usually don't. Not in recent memory anyway. We moved a 2nd to dump Dickinson, we also moved one in the OEL trade (that one's a matter of opinion), gave one up to rent Toffoli (got some playoff experience out of that at least), gave one up alongside Jared McCann+ in the Gudbranson deal, gave up another when trading Bonino for Sutter, traded one for Baertschi, gave up another for Vey, gave up another for Roy baby too. And that's just the last ten years. 

 

Not exactly a bunch of wins. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Coconuts

[Crabcakes]

18 hours ago, bad alice french said:

So you don’t agree with the Miller signing but you would support signing Horvat?

Think I'm contradicting myself?  I thought somebody might.  They're very different players imo.

 

Horvat is a natural centre, team captain, solid 2 way player, superior on the dot and wow is he ever coming into his own as a dominant force.  I think it would be a big mistake to let him go.

 

Miller is definitely not the same quality and needs a defensively responsible player to hold his hand.  He has only been his best when playing with Petey or Horvat and cannot carry a line on his own.  He is very good when he wants to be but particularly on the defensive side he is inconsistent and he throws up far too many blind passes.  I just hope that it's not too late to move on from Miller because Horvat is the asset they should be keeping. 

 

I think that management needs to look very closely at some top of the roster players and some hard decisions need to be made.  Miller is top of the list for me.  Others I would finger would be Boeser and Garland.  I'm not thrilled with OEL or Myers either but I think they need to wait a year to act on them (if they can do anything with OEL).  Horvat needs to be signed as I say but I also think that they need to sign Kuzmenko for next season as well.  Kuz will come in around the same price as Mikheyev (4.75) and Horvat around $8M imo.  Long term we'll see Petey and Hughes north of $9M.  

[HorvatToBaertschi]

2 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said:

A similar finish to last year: NHL Purgatory or Playoff fodder = no Stanley Cups.  Same MO, whilst  some of the rebuilding clubs, that did it right will be SERIOUSLY CONTENDING FOR A CUP.  I would hope my comment will be wrong but if you had been paying attention - winning a regular season game, is very different than winning a playoff series.   I get it and let's enjoy the rise to NHL Purgatory...

This group knows the difference and what it takes to go the distance in the playoffs against good teams 

[Alflives]

Just now, Crabcakes said:

Think I'm contradicting myself?  I thought somebody might.  They're very different players imo.

 

Horvat is a natural centre, team captain, solid 2 way player, superior on the dot and wow is he ever coming into his own as a dominant force.  I think it would be a big mistake to let him go.

 

Miller is definitely not the same quality and needs a defensively responsible player to hold his hand.  He has only been his best when playing with Petey or Horvat and cannot carry a line on his own.  He is very good when he wants to be but particularly on the defensive side he is inconsistent and he throws up far too many blind passes.  I just hope that it's not too late to move on from Miller because Horvat is the asset they should be keeping. 

 

I think that management needs to look very closely at some top of the roster players and some hard decisions need to be made.  Miller is top of the list for me.  Others I would finger would be Boeser and Garland.  I'm not thrilled with OEL or Myers either but I think they need to wait a year to act on them (if they can do anything with OEL).  Horvat needs to be signed as I say but I also think that they need to sign Kuzmenko for next season as well.  Kuz will come in around the same price as Mikheyev (4.75) and Horvat around $8M imo.  Long term we'll see Petey and Hughes north of $9M.  

Bo is not a defensive minded player.  He’s a shoot first centre, who is excellent on face offs.  He’s a great guy and a good captain.  I hope we can get him to sign the Landeskog deal (7 mil x 8) of 56 mil.  Miller is a 80-90 point power forward.  He has way better playmaking skiing skills than Bo.  But Miller, like Bo, isn’t very good defensively.  Petey is by far the better defensive player. 

[Pears]

2 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Maybe, they get in and become the Cinderella team in the playoffs and afterwards, make another appearance a decade (or two) later (82, 94, 11 & ?).  

Didn’t realize the best team in franchise history was a Cinderella team.