Are Boeser and Garland expendable?

[Googlie]

Shannon, TheHockeyGuy thinks Boeser and Pearson certainly are  ...... I'd put Garland in that category too:

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Googlie

[JCorgi37]

I think if you are going to move a forward to clear cap space, those are the two that are most likely. Based on both their contracts & lack neither have NTC's

[Blue Jay 22]

It’s not even a question. Of course they are. In fact, due to the other bad contracts already on the roster, they are the ones most likely to be moved to clear cap. It almost feels like a matter of “when” not “if” for Garland.

[aGENT]

I think it's pretty clear we're waiting for Boeser to recoup value before moving him and that Garland, while certainly contributing, is also redundant on this roster.

 

That said, they're harder to move than other players (Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn for example). 

 

And there's certainly a debate on whether moving them and continuing to double down on the rest of the same core that's shown it's clearly not good enough to even show up for the start of seasons, or play team defense, is a good idea.

 

Never mind whether Horvat even wants to stay...

[Ballisticsports.]

Right or wrong, what Shannon said is my take as well

[nux_win]

If Wayne Gretzky can be traded then anyone is expendable.  That isn't very meaningful.  What is meaningful is what do we get back if we do trade them?  Trying to improve quickly through trades is exciting for wannabe GM's but very difficult to achieve in the real world.  The problem is that the other team is always trying to improve too.  Both Boeser and Garland can be parts of a winning team but they could also be "expendable" if the right deal comes along.  However I don't think the right deal that is favourable to the Canucks will just magically appear and we're probably better off trying to play better with what we have.  Go Canucks Go!

[Wilbur]

27 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I think it's pretty clear we're waiting for Boeser to recoup value before moving him and that Garland, while certainly contributing, is also redundant on this roster.

 

That said, they're harder to move than other players (Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn for example). 

 

And there's certainly a debate on whether moving them and continuing to double down on the rest of the same core that's shown it's clearly not good enough to even show up for the start of seasons, or play team defense, is a good idea.

 

Never mind whether Horvat even wants to stay...

To me it's, like you said, 1) Play Boeser to recoup value.  Repeat process with Garland, as a spot in the top 6 opens up.

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

To me it's, like you said, 1) Play Boeser to recoup value.  Repeat process with Garland, as a spot in the top 6 opens up.

Yup, they're both on my "to be moved" list, but we're in no position to be selling assets for pennies on the dollar. We need to play them in to some value.

 

Similar problem with Myers and Pearson. I keep seeing people post that we should just trade them to clear up cap... But that's not how this works. You're either giving up assets we can't afford, to move them/their cap. Or you're taking cap back. Unfortunately they're both pieces we likely move NEXT year when they have some modicum of value as expiring rentals (though the Myers rumors are at least encouraging). But that's too late to free up money for Horvat (or Kuzmenko).

 

Which brings us to the bigger roster issues. Does Horvat even want to stay? If we can't move those other pieces, how do we afford to keep him (if he does want to stay)? Where do we get the assets and cap space to actually address the holes at 3C and RHD? How to we address those issues and add organizational depth and picks?

 

There's no free lunch here. People just imagine we can simply move off cap, trade wingers for top 4 RHD etc, and magically fix this... I'm not seeing it. Sounds like fantasy. So are we just plodding around in mediocrity in the interim? Blech.

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I think it's pretty clear we're waiting for Boeser to recoup value before moving him and that Garland, while certainly contributing, is also redundant on this roster.

 

That said, they're harder to move than other players (Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn for example). 

 

And there's certainly a debate on whether moving them and continuing to double down on the rest of the same core that's shown it's clearly not good enough to even show up for the start of seasons, or play team defense, is a good idea.

 

Never mind whether Horvat even wants to stay...

There's no telling what Boeser or Garland bring back though, and trading either likely involves taking cap back. I'm not sure moving either of them is going to get you a top 4D from a team that's legitimately in the playoff mix. More than likely we end up having to trade with another no man's land team. Not too many teams out there with a surplus of top 4D. 

 

Maybe there's more options in the offseason once some teams have more cap but I'll be surprised if either get moved in-season. 

 

They could pay to dump Pearson, they shouldn't though. I don't think he returns much. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Coconuts

[Nucker 67]

Boeser has quite a few assists (11), and he now has 3 goals, but all of his goals we're tip-ins/deflections, etc. He hasn't scored on a shot yet.

 

Garland is also having a down year, I'd put Podkolzin in his spot.

 

D is playing surprisingly well lately, Bear has been a really great addition IMO. Dermott could be back in the near future too, so maybe things aren't as bad as they appear. I still believe they need at least one more Top 4 D (26 and under), and young players/prospects. 

 

Make the trades 

[DrJockitch]

Even if you make no moves on D you have to move a winger to keep Kuzmenko. He is going to take some cap space next year. 
‘That doesn’t even consider what it may take to re-sign Bo or go hunting for another centre. 
We need to clear cap badly just for those 2 things, fixing the D is a whole other issue. 
We have depth in one area and prospects in one area, wing so that is where it needs to come off of. 
Pearson, Garland, Miller and Brock are kind of the only options to clear cap from the wing and probably need to move at least 2. 

[ilduce39]

I think they pretty much have to try to move one of them regardless of the plan.
 

That said, they’ll likely have a lot more value once the cap goes up.  

[Alflives]

Keep Brock.  He’s a for sure top six winger.  Garland is expendable.  Either trade him in a full dumperoo and get back a pick/prospect, or move him straight across for an older top four D.  With our owner, he will allow the full dumperoo providing JR presents a plan that shows, after the dumperoo, the club will use the cap (opened) and picks (returned) to bring in another player to help “win now”.  

[Wilbur]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Yup, they're both on my "to be moved" list, but we're in no position to be selling assets for pennies on the dollar. We need to play them in to some value.

 

Similar problem with Myers and Pearson. I keep seeing people post that we should just trade them to clear up cap... But that's not how this works. You're either giving up assets we can't afford, to move them/their cap. Or you're taking cap back. Unfortunately they're both pieces we likely move NEXT year when they have some modicum of value as expiring rentals (though the Myers rumors are at least encouraging). But that's too late to free up money for Horvat (or Kuzmenko).

 

Which brings us to the bigger roster issues. Does Horvat even want to stay? If we can't move those other pieces, how do we afford to keep him (if he does want to stay)? Where do we get the assets and cap space to actually address the holes at 3C and RHD? How to we address those issues and add organizational depth and picks?

 

There's no free lunch here. People just imagine we can simply move off cap, trade wingers for top 4 RHD etc, and magically fix this... I'm not seeing it. Sounds like fantasy. So are we just plodding around in mediocrity in the interim? Blech.

It will be interesting to see how far this rebuild goes.  I think it will have to go deep, but you reassess after each deal.  The two big ones have already been identified.  1.  A decision needs to be made on Horvat.  2.  Build value on Boeser (or Garland...hard to give both quality playing time to build at the same time).  Once those moves have been made, reassess where the team is at.  To me though, those are the 2 that probably should get done before the trade deadline.

[ShawnAntoski]

Preferably, Garland gets move, along with any other players over 26, except for Demko unless the return is too good to turn down

Edited November 29, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[Petey Castiglione]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yup, they're both on my "to be moved" list, but we're in no position to be selling assets for pennies on the dollar. We need to play them in to some value.

 

Similar problem with Myers and Pearson. I keep seeing people post that we should just trade them to clear up cap... But that's not how this works. You're either giving up assets we can't afford, to move them/their cap. Or you're taking cap back. Unfortunately they're both pieces we likely move NEXT year when they have some modicum of value as expiring rentals (though the Myers rumors are at least encouraging). But that's too late to free up money for Horvat (or Kuzmenko).

 

Which brings us to the bigger roster issues. Does Horvat even want to stay? If we can't move those other pieces, how do we afford to keep him (if he does want to stay)? Where do we get the assets and cap space to actually address the holes at 3C and RHD? How to we address those issues and add organizational depth and picks?

 

There's no free lunch here. People just imagine we can simply move off cap, trade wingers for top 4 RHD etc, and magically fix this... I'm not seeing it. Sounds like fantasy. So are we just plodding around in mediocrity in the interim? Blech.

You said it, buds.  As much as I'm enjoying the wins, I get a gut wrenching feeling we'll still miss the playoffs and end up drafting in the teens.  And we all know that does not move the needle for this club.

[D.B Cooper]

Yeah