[Proposal] Boeser for a 3C

[The_Rocket]

Trade:

 

to MTL:

Boeser

 

to Vancouver:

Dvorak

2024 2nd round pick (COL)

 

canucks save 2.2 million in cap, get a 3C that’s fits their core age, replenish the 2nd round pick they lost in the Dickinson trade, reduce the number of redundant wingers. 
 

for mtl, they get the better player 

[Coconuts]

 

 

Montreal gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Dvorak in 2021, I'd be surprised if they moved him, let alone with a 2nd. If they move a center I reckon it'll be them trying to sell Monahan if it looks like they're sliding out of the mix. Or maybe they try to keep him, it's hard to say. 

 

Montreal does have a bit of a black hole on the wing though, but with Dadonov expiring after this season I think it's more likely they just eat another losing season and take another high pick. Montreal also needs goals on the wing, not assists. Boeser's only just recently started scoring again. 3 goals in 15 games still isn't great if you're trying to sell him as a goal scorer. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Coconuts

[The_Rocket]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

 

Montreal gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Dvorak in 2021, I'd be surprised if they moved him. If they move a center I reckon it'll be them trying to sell Monahan if it looks like they're sliding out of the mix. Or maybe they try to keep him, it's hard to say. 

 

Montreal does have a bit of a black hole on the wing though, but with Dadonov expiring after this season I think it's more likely they just eat another losing season and take another high pick. Montreal also needs goals on the wing, not assists. Boeser's only just recently started scoring again. 3 goals in 15 games still isn't great if you're trying to sell him as a goal scorer. 

 

 

Different management group who did that. Since then, Hughes has added Dach and Monahan, both of whole get more ice time under St Louis. I think Dvorak is on the way out

[Coconuts]

1 minute ago, The_Rocket said:

Different management group who did that. Since then, Hughes has added Dach and Monahan, both of whole get more ice time under St Louis. I think Dvorak is on the way out

The wrinkle is Monahan, he's bounced back thus far but it's hard to say whether he's a longer term piece of their roster. Montreal sold hard last season and has plenty of picks to show for it, I don't think they're quite done their rebuild phase just yet. I think he ends up being sold. 

 

But even if Dvorak is on his way out, I don't see them giving up a 2nd. For the most part Montreal's been a lot more interested in acquiring picks than moving them over the past year. 

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, The_Rocket said:

Different management group who did that. Since then, Hughes has added Dach and Monahan, both of whole get more ice time under St Louis. I think Dvorak is on the way out

I think the Haberoos would prefer Garland.  Cap hits are a lot closer.  Do the Haberoos have any more future superstar young Russian D they want to give up?  We could do with getting a Sergachev or Romanov for scraps. 

[qwijibo]

Boeser is too slow to play in Montréal. Also. Hughes is on record as saying he wants to accumulate more draft picks for this draft. Not give away high picks.  Finally, Dvorak is filling the 3C role in Montreal right now.  With Dach playing wing on the top line and Monahan filling the 2C spot.  
 

The plan is still to have Dach take the 2C role and Monahan is on an expiring contract, so he’s likely gone. Which means they’ll need Dvorak to continue playing g right where he is.  Moving him for a winger makes no sense 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Boeser is too slow to play in Montréal. Also. Hughes is on record as saying he wants to accumulate more draft picks for this draft. Not give away high picks.  Finally, Dvorak is filling the 3C role in Montreal right now.  With Dach playing wing on the top line and Monahan filling the 2C spot.  
 

The plan is still to have Dach take the 2C role and Monahan is on an expiring contract, so he’s likely gone. Which means they’ll need Dvorak to continue playing g right where he is.  Moving him for a winger makes no sense 

Why would us Canuck fans care what the Haberoos want?  They take Garland and we get a great young Russian D.  Or have the Haberoos traded all those future superstar D away? 

[Coconuts]

30 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Why would us Canuck fans care what the Haberoos want?  They take Garland and we get a great young Russian D.  Or have the Haberoos traded all those future superstar D away? 

Because trades have to make sense for both sides or they don't happen. They have a couple young D on their roster in Guhle and Xhekaj but it's unlikely they go anywhere. They've also got a prospect they acquired from Colorado in Barron, and the controversial pick Mailloux. They've also got a bunch of younger D in the system, and are primed to add a lot more youth over the next few years with five first round picks over the next three seasons. 

 

Habs are seemingly all in on youth, and they should be imo. They went for it, crashed hard, and then sold hard. Their roster reflects that as a mishmash of prime aged talent and youth but they can afford to be patient imo, they only have a few longer term deals on the books and two of those belong to Suzuki and Dach. 

 

They've also got a good chunk of money set to come off the books in Dadonov, Monahan, Byron, and Drouin so they won't have any issue re-upping Caufield, they'll have cap left over. They're in an enviable position, youth and prospects coming out the wazoo, cap flex, and a bunch of picks to work with. They could sell Monahan at the deadline and acquire even more if they find themselves out of it again. They probably will.

 

They could certainly afford Boeser but he doesn't really fit a speedy game. 

 

 

[Alflives]

Just now, Coconuts said:

Because trades have to make sense for both sides or they don't happen. They have a couple young D on their roster in Guhle and Xhekaj but it's unlikely they go anywhere. They've also got a prospect they acquired from Colorado in Barron, and the controversial pick Mailloux. They've also got a bunch of younger D in the system, and are primed to add a lot more youth over the next few years with five first round picks over the next three seasons. 

 

Habs are seemingly all in on youth, and they should be imo. They went for it, crashed hard, and then sold hard. Their roster reflects that as a mishmash of prime aged talent and youth but they can afford to be patient imo, they only have a few longer term deals on the books and two of those belong to Suzuki and Dach. 

 

They've also got a good chunk of money set to come off the books in Dadonov, Monahan, Byron, and Drouin so they won't have any issue re-upping Caufield, they'll have cap left over. They're in an enviable position, youth and prospects coming out the wazoo, cap flex, and a bunch of picks to work with. They could sell Monahan at the deadline and acquire even more if they find themselves out of it again. They probably will.

 

They could certainly afford Boeser but he doesn't really fit a speedy game. 

 

 

It’s our board.  We make suggestions with our team in mind.  Alf hates all other teams.  Alf doesn’t care what their fans want.  If Slf cared he’d go read their boards.  Alf finds it strange other teams’ fans are on our board.  

As for the trade.  It’s very fair, providing its Garland going out, and the Haberoos include their top D prospect and two second round picks.  

[qwijibo]

4 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Because trades have to make sense for both sides or they don't happen. They have a couple young D on their roster in Guhle and Xhekaj but it's unlikely they go anywhere. They've also got a prospect they acquired from Colorado in Barron, and the controversial pick Mailloux. They've also got a bunch of younger D in the system, and are primed to add a lot more youth over the next few years with five first round picks over the next three seasons. 

 

Habs are seemingly all in on youth, and they should be imo. They went for it, crashed hard, and then sold hard. Their roster reflects that as a mishmash of prime aged talent and youth but they can afford to be patient imo, they only have a few longer term deals on the books and two of those belong to Suzuki and Dach. 

 

They've also got a good chunk of money set to come off the books in Dadonov, Monahan, Byron, and Drouin so they won't have any issue re-upping Caufield, they'll have cap left over. They're in an enviable position, youth and prospects coming out the wazoo, cap flex, and a bunch of picks to work with. They could sell Monahan at the deadline and acquire even more if they find themselves out of it again. They probably will.

 

They could certainly afford Boeser but he doesn't really fit a speedy game. 

 

 

I don’t know why you respond to his pathetic trolling attempts.  He really doesn’t care about having actual hockey conversations. Just his weird trolling homer fantasies.  I’ve had him on ignore forever. The only time I see his posts are when someone takes his bait. 

[Coconuts]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s our board.  We make suggestions with our team in mind.  Alf hates all other teams.  Alf doesn’t care what their fans want.  If Slf cared he’d go read their boards.  Alf finds it strange other teams’ fans are on our board.  

As for the trade.  It’s very fair, providing its Garland going out, and the Haberoos include their top D prospect and two second round picks.  

Proposals that don't take the needs of the other side into account are simply bad proposals. This proposal takes that into account because Montreal could use help on the wing, but Boeser isn't really a great fit from a team building standpoint. If you watch the Habs play they're a pretty speedy bunch, Boeser isn't speedy. It's also a tall order to sell a player as a goal scorer when he hasn't been scoring a whole lot. 

 

And Garland isn't worth a top prospect, let alone two 2nd round picks on top of one. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Coconuts

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, qwijibo said:

I don’t know why you respond to his pathetic trolling attempts.  He really doesn’t care about having actual hockey conversations. Just his weird trolling homer fantasies.  I’ve had him on ignore forever. The only time I see his posts are when someone takes his bait. 

Sorry friend.  But it’s our home board, and I happen to hate your team and love our team.  What you see as trolling is a Canucks fan loving his team.  I don’t see many Bruin fans coming here are suggesting our players (like Boeser) are too slow and worthless.  I didn’t insult you.  I’m making fun of your team.  And on our Canuck board we make fun of lots of teams.  

[DownUndaCanuck]

I like the idea, he's decent on faceoffs, doesn't produce much. I'd only do this if we're acquiring some defencemen elsewhere, otherwise Brock could easily score us a very solid top-4 defenceman 1-for-1.

 

If Montreal keep their play up and end up with a 10-15th overall pick, I wonder if they just do a straight 1st rounder for Brock? Boeser goes onto their top line for the next 5 years and right now he's scoring a PPG on our 3rd line.

 

Again, I'd only do this if we're addressing our team needs elsewhere but that cap frees up a Bo and Kuzmenko re-signing.

[qwijibo]

5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I like the idea, he's decent on faceoffs, doesn't produce much. I'd only do this if we're acquiring some defencemen elsewhere, otherwise Brock could easily score us a very solid top-4 defenceman 1-for-1.

 

If Montreal keep their play up and end up with a 10-15th overall pick, I wonder if they just do a straight 1st rounder for Brock? Boeser goes onto their top line for the next 5 years and right now he's scoring a PPG on our 3rd line.

 

Again, I'd only do this if we're addressing our team needs elsewhere but that cap frees up a Bo and Kuzmenko re-signing.

Boeser just isn’t a fit in Montreal. He doesn’t have the speed to play their style game.  Plus they have Caufield , Gallagher, and Anderson as their right wing options for the top 6. In addition. Hughes is on record as saying he wants to add another 1st round pick in this years draft. He certainly isnt going to to trade away their pick for a redundant player with a $6.65m cap hit 

[Alflives]

5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I like the idea, he's decent on faceoffs, doesn't produce much. I'd only do this if we're acquiring some defencemen elsewhere, otherwise Brock could easily score us a very solid top-4 defenceman 1-for-1.

 

If Montreal keep their play up and end up with a 10-15th overall pick, I wonder if they just do a straight 1st rounder for Brock? Boeser goes onto their top line for the next 5 years and right now he's scoring a PPG on our 3rd line.

 

Again, I'd only do this if we're addressing our team needs elsewhere but that cap frees up a Bo and Kuzmenko re-signing.

Habs are definitely a good fit for Brock.  He would be their number on winger.