PunjabiCanucks Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 We face a possible crisis in the future years to come with being an average team. We have some great pieces and some good, Horvat and Kuzmenko being surprises this year. However, we need to figure out our D situation. Noticeable contracts needing to be resigned imo include: Horvat Kuzmenko Hoglander Bear Schenn in 2 years: Petey Podkolzin ---- Next year we gain maybe 1 Mill and the following year another 4 M in cap space based on current capfriendly projections. Myers has 1 more year left after this, Pearson has 1 more, Boeser has 2, Garland 3, and Miller has a long term contract in place. Right now our best lines have been: Mikheyev Petey Mikheyev Miller Horvat Hoglander Assuming this continues to work, we need to look to resign Horvat and Hoglander now for future success. Miller is being paid a little bit too much imo for being a 2nd line winger- but we signed him in hopes of having him play as a center. Horvat 7.5M x 8 years Hoglander 2.5m x 4 years - based on his current success -- Miller's contract is moveable still but to move it requires a team with 8M to spare and be wanting to win a cup in the next few years to come- so for now I will make it that Miller stays with the Canucks organization. Ideally Miller fetches us a bonafide RD that is a top 4 dman if not top 2, and possible other assets. Canucks may need to take a bad contract to make this work for cap space reasons for the other team. --------- Myers gets moved after his bonus is paid out in the offseason w/ Garland to the Ducks in exchange for Prospect: Axel Anderrson and 2024 2nd Rd Pick (Boston) (Klingberg is most likely gone this deadline) ---- Boeser and Garland's time has come and gone imo w/ Kuzmenko and Mikheyev playing great w/ Petey and for the fact they are being under utilized on a 3rd line. Their play can be replaced w/ Podkolzin come next year and cheaper contracts. --- Preds need scoring badly: Boeser gets moved to Nashville in exchange for RD Fabbro , Prospect RD Prokop, and a conditonal 3rd pick in the upcoming NHL draft (if they make the playoffs it becomes a 2nd RD, and if they make it to the conference finals 1st rd) OR Boeser for Ekholm May require a sweetener, but Nashville needs scoring depth now --- Pearson may fetch us a 3rd to 4th pick based on a team wanting some scoring depth - but for now I wont bother to go after a specific team. OEL is overpaid , but to move his contract would be taking a step back in future years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: We face a possible crisis in the future years to come with being an average team. We've been 'average' for the past decade - this isn't a 'future crisis' it's a right NOW crisis. We have ZERO blue-chip prospects ready to step in and no extra picks to work with, so the road ahead isn't going to be easy. Anyone worth trading off this roster will leave a hole of some kind at their position, and anyone not worth trading is because they have a terrible contract. I have no idea how some people can say we're a few moves away from contending....and there are indeed people trying to argue that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 57 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Horvat 7.5M x 8 years Hoglander 2.5m x 4 years - based on his current success Horvat's agent probably isn't taking a dime less than what Roope Hintz just signed for. 8 x $8.45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, PunjabiCanucks said: We face a possible crisis in the future years to come with being an average team. We have some great pieces and some good, Horvat and Kuzmenko being surprises this year. However, we need to figure out our D situation. Noticeable contracts needing to be resigned imo include: Horvat Kuzmenko Hoglander Bear Schenn in 2 years: Petey Podkolzin ---- Next year we gain maybe 1 Mill and the following year another 4 M in cap space based on current capfriendly projections. Myers has 1 more year left after this, Pearson has 1 more, Boeser has 2, Garland 3, and Miller has a long term contract in place. Right now our best lines have been: Mikheyev Petey Mikheyev Miller Horvat Hoglander Assuming this continues to work, we need to look to resign Horvat and Hoglander now for future success. Miller is being paid a little bit too much imo for being a 2nd line winger- but we signed him in hopes of having him play as a center. Horvat 7.5M x 8 years Hoglander 2.5m x 4 years - based on his current success -- Miller's contract is moveable still but to move it requires a team with 8M to spare and be wanting to win a cup in the next few years to come- so for now I will make it that Miller stays with the Canucks organization. Ideally Miller fetches us a bonafide RD that is a top 4 dman if not top 2, and possible other assets. Canucks may need to take a bad contract to make this work for cap space reasons for the other team. --------- Myers gets moved after his bonus is paid out in the offseason w/ Garland to the Ducks in exchange for Prospect: Axel Anderrson and 2024 2nd Rd Pick (Boston) (Klingberg is most likely gone this deadline) ---- Boeser and Garland's time has come and gone imo w/ Kuzmenko and Mikheyev playing great w/ Petey and for the fact they are being under utilized on a 3rd line. Their play can be replaced w/ Podkolzin come next year and cheaper contracts. --- Preds need scoring badly: Boeser gets moved to Nashville in exchange for RD Fabbro , Prospect RD Prokop, and a conditonal 3rd pick in the upcoming NHL draft (if they make the playoffs it becomes a 2nd RD, and if they make it to the conference finals 1st rd) OR Boeser for Ekholm May require a sweetener, but Nashville needs scoring depth now --- Pearson may fetch us a 3rd to 4th pick based on a team wanting some scoring depth - but for now I wont bother to go after a specific team. OEL is overpaid , but to move his contract would be taking a step back in future years. Even a drunk Jim Benning wouldn't give Hoglander a $10 million dollar deal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, BCNate said: Even a drunk Jim Benning wouldn't give Hoglander a $10 million dollar deal. Is that your final answer? ......... Canucks sign Tucker Poolman to four-year, $10 million contract July, 28, 2021 The Vancouver Canucks have signed defenceman Tucker Poolman to a four-year contract with an AAV of $2.5 million. The details of the signing were first reported by Frank Seravalli of The Daily Faceoff. The 28-year-old spent the last four years with the Winnipeg Jets organization. He played in 39 games last season, but managed only one assist. Poolman also registered a goal and one assist in eight playoff games that same year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Is that your final answer? ......... Canucks sign Tucker Poolman to four-year, $10 million contract July, 28, 2021 The Vancouver Canucks have signed defenceman Tucker Poolman to a four-year contract with an AAV of $2.5 million. The details of the signing were first reported by Frank Seravalli of The Daily Faceoff. The 28-year-old spent the last four years with the Winnipeg Jets organization. He played in 39 games last season, but managed only one assist. Poolman also registered a goal and one assist in eight playoff games that same year. As bad as Poolman has been with us, he was at least a solid NHL D prior to the deal. Hoglander is a replacement level winger. Got to love posters who validate one bad deal with another one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BCNate said: As bad as Poolman has been with us, he was at least a solid NHL D prior to the deal. Hoglander is a replacement level winger. Got to love posters who validate one bad deal with another one. Poolman was a guy who by the age of 27 had managed to get in about 120 NHL games. That was a clueless contract. Benning was/is more than capable of signing Hoglander to the same deal. Perhaps we can just agree that Benning was clueless. The severity of his cluelessness really isn't a point for debate. Edited November 29, 2022 by nuckin_futz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 the hoglander deal is based on his potential- ideally under 2m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: the hoglander deal is based on his potential- ideally under 2m I'd give him at most 1 yr at 1.5. He provides 4th line production while getting middle to top 6 minutes. He needs to prove his worth before getting any type of term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, BCNate said: I'd give him at most 1 yr at 1.5. He provides 4th line production while getting middle to top 6 minutes. He needs to prove his worth before getting any type of term. wish we can capitalize on his term though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said: We face a possible crisis in the future years to come with being an average team. We have some great pieces and some good, Horvat and Kuzmenko being surprises this year. However, we need to figure out our D situation. Noticeable contracts needing to be resigned imo include: Horvat Kuzmenko Hoglander Bear Schenn in 2 years: Petey Podkolzin ---- Next year we gain maybe 1 Mill and the following year another 4 M in cap space based on current capfriendly projections. Myers has 1 more year left after this, Pearson has 1 more, Boeser has 2, Garland 3, and Miller has a long term contract in place. Right now our best lines have been: Mikheyev Petey Mikheyev Miller Horvat Hoglander Assuming this continues to work, we need to look to resign Horvat and Hoglander now for future success. Miller is being paid a little bit too much imo for being a 2nd line winger- but we signed him in hopes of having him play as a center. Horvat 7.5M x 8 years Hoglander 2.5m x 4 years - based on his current success -- Miller's contract is moveable still but to move it requires a team with 8M to spare and be wanting to win a cup in the next few years to come- so for now I will make it that Miller stays with the Canucks organization. Ideally Miller fetches us a bonafide RD that is a top 4 dman if not top 2, and possible other assets. Canucks may need to take a bad contract to make this work for cap space reasons for the other team. --------- Myers gets moved after his bonus is paid out in the offseason w/ Garland to the Ducks in exchange for Prospect: Axel Anderrson and 2024 2nd Rd Pick (Boston) (Klingberg is most likely gone this deadline) ---- Boeser and Garland's time has come and gone imo w/ Kuzmenko and Mikheyev playing great w/ Petey and for the fact they are being under utilized on a 3rd line. Their play can be replaced w/ Podkolzin come next year and cheaper contracts. --- Preds need scoring badly: Boeser gets moved to Nashville in exchange for RD Fabbro , Prospect RD Prokop, and a conditonal 3rd pick in the upcoming NHL draft (if they make the playoffs it becomes a 2nd RD, and if they make it to the conference finals 1st rd) OR Boeser for Ekholm May require a sweetener, but Nashville needs scoring depth now --- Pearson may fetch us a 3rd to 4th pick based on a team wanting some scoring depth - but for now I wont bother to go after a specific team. OEL is overpaid , but to move his contract would be taking a step back in future years. It’s not a bad road map by any means. However, Anaheim will decline that Myers proposal without hesitation. He doesn’t fit their timeline with his age so zero reason they would help the Nucks out and trade actual assets for him, especially a prospect and likely high 2nd for him. That said, I imagine Anaheim could see Myers as a potential flip piece. If the Nucks traded him to Anaheim for a token piece like a 5th rounder or their 12th best prospect, I could see them being open to that. That could be a win for everybody. No chance we get Ekholm but I like your Boeser proposal involving Fabbro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, BCNate said: As bad as Poolman has been with us, he was at least a solid NHL D prior to the deal. Hoglander is a replacement level winger. Except that he wasn't, he was a replacement level D. But I agree, Hoglander won't get that type of contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Hoglander is making $891K. He should be very happy with $1.2M the way he's been playing. They'll offer him less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 5:22 PM, PunjabiCanucks said: wish we can capitalize on his term though Why though? He's playing in the top six and aside from puck retrieval isn't doing much. Sure he's not a bust ... but you don't earn term unless you've got the goods. Hogs either needs to be traded or re-signed at a little over the league min, one of the other. There are 1000 other guys waiting for that chance. His chances are shrinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, nuckin_futz said: Poolman was a guy who by the age of 27 had managed to get in about 120 NHL games. That was a clueless contract. Benning was/is more than capable of signing Hoglander to the same deal. Perhaps we can just agree that Benning was clueless. The severity of his cluelessness really isn't a point for debate. Only one way to know - bring back GMJB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 1:20 PM, BCNate said: Even a drunk Jim Benning wouldn't give Hoglander a $10 million dollar deal. why? Because Hoggles doesn't have a concussion history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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