CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Garland was flying tonight. Remember he scored 39 points in 49 games playing under Tocchet in Arizona. Garland is a keeper, he won't be traded. He's a Tocchet guy... A Tocchetman. Can this team have 3 smallish guys in Garland, Hogz and Beauvillier? Maybe 1 small guy per line? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 I heard a rumour that we’re cap dumping Boeser AND his number 1 fan @EddieVedder to NJD because they are inseparable like the Sedins 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, stawns said: Hogz is far and away the best player in Abby, though Podz has been excellent as well Are you sure about that? The stats say he is about 16th in scoring on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, Canadian said: My only concern is how does the team have both small/slight guys in their top 9. I guess you could have one on 2nd line and one on 3rd line, but having both play on a third line won’t be ideal come playoff time in the future. I worry that Hoglander might be traded - Aman and Pods got called up, he didn’t. Next year he’s waiver eligible. Maybe swapping him to a team that has a good defensive prospect, even though I really like Hogs game. He's Swedish Allvin won't do him like that. Pretty sure they know he's a lock to make the team next year. I would include Beauvillier as a smallish player too One per line in the top 9 I always thought Podz was a big guy but he looked regular size yesterday Petey needs to get some man strength so he can carry a line that has a smaller player. Looking at Future line combos and projected players to make the team, it definitely looks like they won't/shouldn't all stay with the team... Kuz Petey Mik Miller 2023 1st Rounder Beauvelier Garland Raty Podz Lekkermaki Karlsson Hogz Losing Lazar, Pearson, Joshua Basically lost all the grit and toughness... Looks like a soft team. 2 of Beauvillier, Garland, Lekkermaki and Hogz won't make it and will be replaced with toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The Boeser for Holtz chatter doesn’t seem to have any legit source, which is too bad. Retaining on him for an ELC RW makes a lot of sense to free up cap space for our defence. Wonder if he gets dealt before the TDL, or waits to the off-season. He made a few good plays along the boards that showed good hustle last night, but there’s also many times he looked like he was skating in molasses. Wonder what a good off-season training plan could do for him. Focus on his first three strides and cutting weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Lekkermaki Karlsson Hogz Losing Lazar, Pearson, Joshua Basically lost all the grit and toughness... Looks like a soft team. 2 of Beauvillier, Garland, Lekkermaki and Hogz won't make it and will be replaced with toughness. That 4th line is never going to happen, so I wouldn't be worrying about our loss of grit (what little there is). As some of those guys graduate, they'll naturally push older and/or less productive players off the roster either via demotion, trade or contract expiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: That 4th line is never going to happen, so I wouldn't be worrying about our loss of grit (what little there is). As some of those guys graduate, they'll naturally push older and/or less productive players off the roster either via demotion, trade or contract expiry. Yeah those guys would be Pearson, Boeser. I feel like Kuz and Mik will not get pushed out. Petey is the franchise. We most likely have a high draft 1c this year. Miller if we don't trade him this year will be here long term. Podz is a keeper. Thats 6 spots taken. So it really comes down to Beauvillier, Garland Hogz, Lekkermaki, Karlsson fighting for the other spots I only see 2-3 of them staying with this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 48 minutes ago, rekker said: Would be nice, but I bet we have to add. Boeser didn't do his trade value any good last night. Agreed - or we take back Tatar. They are thin on RW, but not sure why they’d give up on Holtz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yeah those guys would be Pearson, Boeser. I feel like Kuz and Mik will not get pushed out. Petey is the franchise. We most likely have a high draft 1c this year. Miller if we don't trade him this year will be here long term. Podz is a keeper. Thats 6 spots taken. So it really comes down to Beauvillier, Garland Hogz, Lekkermaki, Karlsson fighting for the other spots I only see 2-3 of them staying with this club. Long term, yup. You can probably add McDonough, Klimovich etc in that pool of cream to potentially rise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 38 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: A Tocchetman. Can this team have 3 smallish guys in Garland, Hogz and Beauvillier? Maybe 1 small guy per line? Long term no, I don't think so. I don't think Beauvillier will be aound past next season. He'd be a good player to trade at the deadline next year. I don't see us giving him another $4 million+ contract in Vancouver. Hoglander will be ALOT cheaper, so I see him getting into the lineup next year at some point. We will need a spot for Klimovich at some point, that kid is going to be a player. And Podkolzin has all the tools to be a regular top 9 contributor and maybe top 6. If we can get Fantilli in the draft and if Raty pans out at least as a 3C, then that would remake most of our top 9. Kuzmenko Pettersson Michkeyev Miller Fantilli Klimovich Hoglander Raty Podkolzin That would be a sick top 9 in a couple of years. All we'd have to do is get that #2 overall pick. I didn't mention Bedard because we all know that isn't going to happen. But Fantilli is probably going to be one of the better #2 overall picks in recent history. He could be on par with Petey... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yeah those guys would be Pearson, Boeser. I feel like Kuz and Mik will not get pushed out. Petey is the franchise. We most likely have a high draft 1c this year. Miller if we don't trade him this year will be here long term. Podz is a keeper. Thats 6 spots taken. So it really comes down to Beauvillier, Garland Hogz, Lekkermaki, Karlsson fighting for the other spots I only see 2-3 of them staying with this club. You forgot Klimovich. I have him higher on the list than Lekkerimaki or Karlsson and he is a much bigger player than Hoglander. He even has more pure talent than Podkolzin... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Long term no, I don't think so. I don't think Beauvillier will be aound past next season. He'd be a good player to trade at the deadline next year. I don't see us giving him another $4 million+ contract in Vancouver. Hoglander will be ALOT cheaper, so I see him getting into the lineup next year at some point. We will need a spot for Klimovich at some point, that kid is going to be a player. And Podkolzin has all the tools to be a regular top 9 contributor and maybe top 6. If we can get Fantilli in the draft and if Raty pans out at least as a 3C, then that would remake most of our top 9. Kuzmenko Pettersson Michkeyev Miller Fantilli Klimovich Hoglander Raty Podkolzin That would be a sick top 9 in a couple of years. All we'd have to do is get that #2 overall pick. I didn't mention Bedard because we all know that isn't going to happen. But Fantilli is probably going to be one of the better #2 overall picks in recent history. He could be on par with Petey... I'm on the Fantilli hype train as well. Love his game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Long term no, I don't think so. I don't think Beauvillier will be aound past next season. He'd be a good player to trade at the deadline next year. I don't see us giving him another $4 million+ contract in Vancouver. Hoglander will be ALOT cheaper, so I see him getting into the lineup next year at some point. We will need a spot for Klimovich at some point, that kid is going to be a player. And Podkolzin has all the tools to be a regular top 9 contributor and maybe top 6. If we can get Fantilli in the draft and if Raty pans out at least as a 3C, then that would remake most of our top 9. Kuzmenko Pettersson Michkeyev Miller Fantilli Klimovich Hoglander Raty Podkolzin That would be a sick top 9 in a couple of years. All we'd have to do is get that #2 overall pick. I didn't mention Bedard because we all know that isn't going to happen. But Fantilli is probably going to be one of the better #2 overall picks in recent history. He could be on par with Petey... That would be an amazing forward group...and would even put Karlsson as 4C Now how do we fix the defence lol I guess guys like Beauvillier, Pearson, Myers will be trade bait next deadline as ufa rentals. Only one that might stick is Beauvelier if he has a resurgence as he is still young. Garland still has quite some time left. Boeser will need to go sooner than later. Don't quite know what we have yet in Lekkermaki, D Petterson I feel comfortable about our forwards. Problem is, we need to take some of the over abundance of it and fix the D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: Long term, yup. You can probably add McDonough, Klimovich etc in that pool of cream to potentially rise. 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Long term no, I don't think so. I don't think Beauvillier will be aound past next season. He'd be a good player to trade at the deadline next year. I don't see us giving him another $4 million+ contract in Vancouver. Hoglander will be ALOT cheaper, so I see him getting into the lineup next year at some point. We will need a spot for Klimovich at some point, that kid is going to be a player. And Podkolzin has all the tools to be a regular top 9 contributor and maybe top 6. If we can get Fantilli in the draft and if Raty pans out at least as a 3C, then that would remake most of our top 9. Kuzmenko Pettersson Michkeyev Miller Fantilli Klimovich Hoglander Raty Podkolzin That would be a sick top 9 in a couple of years. All we'd have to do is get that #2 overall pick. I didn't mention Bedard because we all know that isn't going to happen. But Fantilli is probably going to be one of the better #2 overall picks in recent history. He could be on par with Petey... 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You forgot Klimovich. I have him higher on the list than Lekkerimaki or Karlsson and he is a much bigger player than Hoglander. He even has more pure talent than Podkolzin... So long term, we know we can't keep all these guys. Is there room currently to trade these futures for futures on D or more progressed prospects on D? Like why not get ahead of it now if we know we have too many forwards and not enough D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: So long term, we know we can't keep all these guys. Is there room currently to trade these futures for futures on D or more progressed prospects on D? Like why not get ahead of it now if we know we have too many forwards and not enough D? To fix the D, we probably need to trade Demko for a top 4 Dman. Perhaps Boeser can get us a young asset with some retention. And that 1st round pick from the Islanders will most likely be used to either draft or trade for a top 4 RHD. We could also pick up a guy in free agency. The problem with trading Demko is then you need to replace him. That's the catch. If we can somehow shed a few million in cap this summer then I would go hard after Tristan Jarry. If you can get him for free as a UFA then trading Demko for a future top 4 RHD is a no brainer... Edited February 7 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 9 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: That would be an amazing forward group...and would even put Karlsson as 4C Now how do we fix the defence lol I guess guys like Beauvillier, Pearson, Myers will be trade bait next deadline as ufa rentals. Only one that might stick is Beauvelier if he has a resurgence as he is still young. Garland still has quite some time left. Boeser will need to go sooner than later. Don't quite know what we have yet in Lekkermaki, D Petterson I feel comfortable about our forwards. Problem is, we need to take some of the over abundance of it and fix the D Fixing the defence won't be as easy. As I mentioned trading Demko and using that 1st round pick from the Islanders would be two ways to get two top 4 Dmen. Free agency to get another guy is a possibility. And then you have Joni Jurmo and Petey D. I think both those guys will be players. Maybe in 2-3 years we will see at least one of them in the lineup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: To fix the D, we probably need to trade Demko for a top 4 Dman. Perhaps Boeser can get us a young asset with some retention. And that 1st round pick from the Islanders will most likely be used to either draft or trade for a top 4 RHD. We could also pick up a guy in free agency. The problem with trading Demko is then you need to replace him. That's the catch. If we can somehow shed a few million in cap this summer then I would go hard after Tristan Jarry. If you can get him for free as a UFA then trading Demko for a future top 4 RHD is a no brainer... Maybe once canucks get eliminated, plan is to send Podz and whoever else is eligible back down to Abbotsford and try to win the Calder. That would increase everyone's trade values if we want to try to flip that for a D prospect in the summer... Don't know about Jarry. Is he legit? Demko when on top of his game is one of the best. Like top 3 best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Fixing the defence won't be as easy. As I mentioned trading Demko and using that 1st round pick from the Islanders would be two ways to get two top 4 Dmen. Free agency to get another guy is a possibility. And then you have Joni Jurmo and Petey D. I think both those guys will be players. Maybe in 2-3 years we will see at least one of them in the lineup... Either that or you do the Hughes to NJD for a fistful of options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: Either that or you do the Hughes to NJD for a fistful of options. Who would be the d prospects coming back? Tough call because Hughes with a bonafide first pairing partner could log 26-28 min a night... But then a trade could get you a d man who doesn't really need the careful co side ration that Hughes needs when looking at D partners. Like one injury (either to Hughes or his partner) could derail an entire season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Maybe once canucks get eliminated, plan is to send Podz and whoever else is eligible back down to Abbotsford and try to win the Calder. That would increase everyone's trade values if we want to try to flip that for a D prospect in the summer... Don't know about Jarry. Is he legit? Demko when on top of his game is one of the best. Like top 3 best. Jarry is legit. He has better numbers than Demko. And is a local boy from Surrey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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