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3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

If Boeser and Garland are moved then maybe more of a case to retain Miller if the market is not offering a stunner deal. Pearson likely not back. That leaves Petey with the 2 Russians. 3 if you keep Podz. None of them are real vets other than Mik. Thin. 

 

If Miller attracts a great offer then PA has to take it and look to supplement with UFA signings. Term and age is not advantageous.  

If you're moving all those guys, what's the point in keeping miller........you're committing to a youth movement at that point.

 

Id rather have an asset or two and the cap.space

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

But those guys are all going to need sweeteners to move.  I think there's a team out there who would take Miller and his deal, if the price is right.

 

I think his contract is fair value for what he provides, it's just not right for Van.

True enough and we can’t be sending picks as sweeteners. Miller would be the most coveted player for other teams (other than Petey, QH and a healthy Demko).

 

There are other ways: 
 

Brock and Garland with each on a 1M retained is fair no?


Myers trade after his bonus in July for bottom team that is weak financially?

 

The above equates to about 15M in cap space without sending picks.


All this talk about OEL and a buyout could also come into effect, saving 7M next year, 4 seasons savings of 5M and 

2 seasons of 3M savings.

 

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8 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

True enough and we can’t be sending picks as sweeteners. Miller would be the most coveted player for other teams (other than Petey, QH and a healthy Demko).

 

There are other ways: 
 

Brock and Garland with each on a 1M retained is fair no?


Myers trade after his bonus in July for bottom team that is weak financially?

 

The above equates to about 15M in cap space without sending picks.


All this talk about OEL and a buyout could also come into effect, saving 7M next year, 4 seasons savings of 5M and 

2 seasons of 3M savings.

 

But what's the point of keeping miller at that point then?

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

But what's the point of keeping miller at that point then?

If we get a top 5 pick, he will be on the team next year, replacing one of those forwards. We get this kid in the NCAA, he I’ll make our top 4D. 
 

Raty will be a top 6 Centre and the Islander pick will hopefully be a good defender. 
 

I think we will be competitive in a couple years (I hope).

 

Miller is good for after the Re-tool. 

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It would be a glorious daybif we could get out of the Miller contract.  Keep Shenner for the cup winner, veteran presence to help mentor the young core. Add 1 ir 2 more in FA to compliment Shenner leasership. Overhaul the D, sell Demmer and get a vet goalie to carry the next couple years till a quality replacement can be found

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1 minute ago, grandmaster said:

If we get a top 5 pick, he will be on the team next year, replacing one of those forwards. We get this kid in the NCAA, he I’ll make our top 4D. 
 

Raty will be a top 6 Centre and the Islander pick will hopefully be a good defender. 
 

I think we will be competitive in a couple years (I hope).

 

Miller is good for after the Re-tool. 

I'd say Raty is at least another season away and I think Bedard is probably the only player in the draft ready to play in the NHL next season.  Once they moved Bo, their compete window moved a little farther down the road and that makes keeping miller less and less sensible 

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

I'd say Raty is at least another season away and I think Bedard is probably the only player in the draft ready to play in the NHL next season.  Once they moved Bo, their compete window moved a little farther down the road and that makes keeping miller less and less sensible 

I am a fan of Miller's game and despite his warts, he brings a lot of value. I can see  many teams lining up for what he brings at a reasonable cap hit too. Teams like BOS, CAR, Minnesota could use him because they are in the hunt NOW, where we are not. He would be a good add for Buffalo or Det too as they are on the rise and have cap space.

 

If FA were to actually permit a full tear down rebuild, I agree that certain pieces we as fans like, should be moved (Miller, Demko, Boeser). Unfortunately, that probably isn't in the cards aside from Boeser. Once Bo was moved, my perspective changed. Our timeline changed. Our D needs too much work. Hughes is basically on an island back there when you consider other teams D units. NJ, TB, BOS, CAR, NYR and NSH. If we had any of those D lineups with a healthy Demko, I think we are a playoff team no question, even without Bo now.

 

However, we have no D prospects on the way aside from Rathbone and he is a big question mark at this time. As a young team we should embrace a true rebuild. Burn it to the ground. Keep Petey and Hughes if possible. Instead, it appears we are left with a retool or whatever you want to call it. 

 

Being in the middle sucks. Just ask Malcolm.   Je ne suis pas un monstre (Saison 1, épisode 01) | Malcolm France

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Just now, KirkSave said:

I am a fan of Miller's game and despite his warts, he brings a lot of value. I can see  many teams lining up for what he brings at a reasonable cap hit too. Teams like BOS, CAR, Minnesota could use him because they are in the hunt NOW, where we are not. He would be a good add for Buffalo or Det too as they are on the rise and have cap space.

 

If FA were to actually permit a full tear down rebuild, I agree that certain pieces we as fans like, should be moved (Miller, Demko, Boeser). Unfortunately, that probably isn't in the cards aside from Boeser. Once Bo was moved, my perspective changed. Our timeline changed. Our D needs too much work. Hughes is basically on an island back there when you consider other teams D units. NJ, TB, BOS, CAR, NYR and NSH. If we had any of those D lineups with a healthy Demko, I think we are a playoff team no question, even without Bo now.

 

However, we have no D prospects on the way aside from Rathbone and he is a big question mark at this time. As a young team we should embrace a true rebuild. Burn it to the ground. Keep Petey and Hughes if possible. Instead, it appears we are left with a retool or whatever you want to call it. 

 

Being in the middle sucks. Just ask Malcolm.   Je ne suis pas un monstre (Saison 1, épisode 01) | Malcolm France

Woo

Rathbone

Johansson

Jurmo

Juulsen

Pettersen

 

Not tons, but not empty either 

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Just now, stawns said:

Woo

Rathbone

Johansson

Jurmo

Juulsen

Pettersen

 

Not tons, but not empty either 

Hard to predict the future. Guys can surprise. None of them seem like they will be top 4 players in the NHL. Hope 1-2 prove me wrong though.

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4 minutes ago, KirkSave said:

I am a fan of Miller's game and despite his warts, he brings a lot of value. I can see  many teams lining up for what he brings at a reasonable cap hit too. Teams like BOS, CAR, Minnesota could use him because they are in the hunt NOW, where we are not. He would be a good add for Buffalo or Det too as they are on the rise and have cap space.

 

If FA were to actually permit a full tear down rebuild, I agree that certain pieces we as fans like, should be moved (Miller, Demko, Boeser). Unfortunately, that probably isn't in the cards aside from Boeser. Once Bo was moved, my perspective changed. Our timeline changed. Our D needs too much work. Hughes is basically on an island back there when you consider other teams D units. NJ, TB, BOS, CAR, NYR and NSH. If we had any of those D lineups with a healthy Demko, I think we are a playoff team no question, even without Bo now.

 

However, we have no D prospects on the way aside from Rathbone and he is a big question mark at this time. As a young team we should embrace a true rebuild. Burn it to the ground. Keep Petey and Hughes if possible. Instead, it appears we are left with a retool or whatever you want to call it. 

 

 

Carolina and JTM just seem like such a match made in heaven. They have room for contract now and in the future, generally haven’t traded for rentals unless cheap like Patches. 
JTM under Rod the Bod would be amazing.
Imagine JTM in shape and playing a structured game with a really good team. 

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54 minutes ago, stawns said:

If you're moving all those guys, what's the point in keeping miller........you're committing to a youth movement at that point.

 

Id rather have an asset or two and the cap.space

Rebuilding teams don't need cap space, that is why they are rebuilding.  Also, you can't ice a lineup of all 20-year-old players, it doesn't work that way unless you want to be like Arizona.  You don't need to trade every player over 25 if you are rebuilding.

 

Also, we aren't rebuilding and tearing everything down.  We already have our core pieces in place in Petey and Hughes.  They won't be hanging around if we trade every single player who has term on their contract over 25 years old.

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11 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Carolina and JTM just seem like such a match made in heaven. They have room for contract now and in the future, generally haven’t traded for rentals unless cheap like Patches. 
JTM under Rod the Bod would be amazing.
Imagine JTM in shape and playing a structured game with a really good team. 

Yes, I am imagining that scenario right here in Vancouver...

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18 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Carolina and JTM just seem like such a match made in heaven. They have room for contract now and in the future, generally haven’t traded for rentals unless cheap like Patches. 
JTM under Rod the Bod would be amazing.
Imagine JTM in shape and playing a structured game with a really good team. 

I think Car and Was both make sense for Miller.  Car gets to extend their window with Miller and Washington gets a guy to help Ovi get to the record 

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8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Rebuilding teams don't need cap space, that is why they are rebuilding.  Also, you can't ice a lineup of all 20-year-old players, it doesn't work that way unless you want to be like Arizona.  You don't need to trade every player over 25 if you are rebuilding.

 

Also, we aren't rebuilding and tearing everything down.  We already have our core pieces in place in Petey and Hughes.  They won't be hanging around if we trade every single player who has term on their contract over 25 years old.

Who said you're icing a team of 20 year olds?  They need players in the 21-23 range coming back in trades and the cap space can be used to rebuild the defence, through ufa or wrapinizing it in trades.

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

Who said you're icing a team of 20 year olds?  They need players in the 21-23 range coming back in trades and the cap space can be used to rebuild the defence, through ufa or wrapinizing it in trades.

So, you want to rebuild this team through UFA signings?  I'm sorry, but that is not how it works.  You literally want to trade a 30-year-old on a 7-year deal to sign more 30 year olds to 5–7-year deals through UFA?  

 

Rebuilding means trading your veterans and acquiring picks and prospects.  Not signing veterans through UFA.  Also, if you trade Miller, who is going to take his spot?  Another UFA signing?

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3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So, you want to rebuild this team through UFA signings?  I'm sorry, but that is not how it works.  You literally want to trade a 30-year-old on a 7-year deal to sign more 30 year olds to 5–7-year deals through UFA?  

 

Rebuilding means trading your veterans and acquiring picks and prospects.  Not signing veterans through UFA.  Also, if you trade Miller, who is going to take his spot?  Another UFA signing?

Who said I wanted to sign 30 year olds?  And who said I wanted some mythical rebuild?

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3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The only fantasizing that is being done on CDC is your fantasy that Miller is going to be traded.  You are literally living that fantasy on a daily basis...

I don't think he's going to be traded, I've said that time and time again.  I think he needs to be traded

 

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