Ignoring Biological Reality Puts Female Hockey Players at Risk

[Guest]

https://quillette.com/blog/2022/12/09/ignoring-biological-reality-puts-female-hockey-players-at-risk/

 

"As the Vice crew continued to film, players clustered around the seemingly knocked-out #91. Shortly thereafter, a panicky voice booms out from amid the scrum, “Get a stretcher! Get a medic!” And the audience, which had formerly been burbling enthusiastically in response to the arena announcer’s trans-positive patter, fell silent. It would take more than 17 minutes for the head-injured player to be placed on a stretcher and wheeled off the ice. When the game eventually re-started, a subdued mood persisted till the final buzzer"

[Coconuts]

Lot of opinions on this, it's an ongoing debate through sports as a whole. It's not as cut and dry as some folks would like to make it out to be imo. It's a very loaded thing even before throwing hockey into the picture. Biological sex, the spectrum of gender, gender identity, safety, ethics, equity and equality, there's a lot to unpack. 

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by Coconuts

[chon derry]

Watched this. This morn ?

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by chon derry

[4petesake]

My take after watching the video. Larger player slightly bumps into (not hits) smaller player. SP falls down and hits boards and gets concussion and muscle strain.   Exactly the same thing happens often at any tournament, any age, any level, any sex. The fact that it was a transgender game seems to make it some sort of gotcha moment.
 

 

 

[Alflives]

17 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

My take after watching the video. Larger player slightly bumps into (not hits) smaller player. SP falls down and hits boards and gets concussion and muscle strain.   Exactly the same thing happens often at any tournament, any age, any level, any sex. The fact that it was a transgender game seems to make it some sort of gotcha moment.
 

 

 

Yup.  If anything it looked like guy was being extra careful to not run over the girl.  If it’s a sport that is played for fun and non contact the there’s no reason guys and girls can’t play together.  

Edited December 10, 2022 by Alflives

[hammertime]

This accident has absolutely nothing to do with gender. 

[Phil_314]

Not exactly the cleanest contact (I don't think it warrants the word "hit") since pink did clip black from diagonally behind them, even though it was not through the numbers but the primary point of contact was the shoulder blade area.  That being said though, agreed with OP that they're asking for trouble if that's all the actual contact it takes to injure a biological woman (you wouldn't even call that a hit in the NHL); I think any old forechecker in the NHL could easily end a transitioned woman's career if not her life with just a run of the mill hit against the boards.

I hope the injured gets better soon, but the league's gotta wake up (also props to the black team's players for not starting a scrum like NHL players would, when they probably even know that it wasn't a hit that knocked out their teammate).  

[AriGold]

2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

Lot of opinions on this, it's an ongoing debate through sports as a whole. It's not as cut and dry as some folks would like to make it out to be imo. It's a very loaded thing even before throwing hockey into the picture. Biological sex, the spectrum of gender, gender identity, safety, ethics, equity and equality, there's a lot to unpack. 

 

Very cut and dry IMO.

 

If you were born a male, then you produce more testosterone than somebody born a female, which contributes to muscle mass and performance improvement. An average man has a bigger structure, more muscle mass and basically far more physical strength than an average woman, any given day.

 

If you were born a man then you should not be able to participate in a women's sporting event, especially at higher levels.

 

Example: Gavin, I mean Laurel Hubbard, is 6-foot-1, 287 pounds female that transitioned from being a man. He set national records in junior competition (under 20). She ignited protests of unfairness after winning two gold medals and a silver medal in the 2019 Pacific Games while being the oldest woman in the Olympic competition, at 43.

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by AriGold

[Phil_314]

30 minutes ago, AriGold said:

Very cut and dry IMO.

 

If you were born a male, then you produce more testosterone than somebody born a female, which contributes to muscle mass and performance improvement. An average man has a bigger structure, more muscle mass and basically far more physical strength than an average woman, any given day.

 

If you were born a man then you should not be able to participate in a women's sporting event, especially at higher levels.

 

Example: Gavin, I mean Laurel Hubbard, is 6-foot-1, 287 pounds female that transitioned from being a man. He set national records in junior competition (under 20). She ignited protests of unfairness after winning two gold medals and a silver medal in the 2019 Pacific Games while being the oldest woman in the Olympic competition, at 43.

 

 

 

Laurel's one example, Lia Thomas is another... then there's the 203rd ranked men's tennis player (Karsten Braasch) who defeated Venus and Serena in consecutive matches.  I could go on and on, but the biological advantages are in plain sight.

[Curmudgeon]

NVM

 

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by Curmudgeon

[stawns]

3 hours ago, AriGold said:

Very cut and dry IMO.

 

If you were born a male, then you produce more testosterone than somebody born a female, which contributes to muscle mass and performance improvement. An average man has a bigger structure, more muscle mass and basically far more physical strength than an average woman, any given day.

 

If you were born a man then you should not be able to participate in a women's sporting event, especially at higher levels.

 

Example: Gavin, I mean Laurel Hubbard, is 6-foot-1, 287 pounds female that transitioned from being a man. He set national records in junior competition (under 20). She ignited protests of unfairness after winning two gold medals and a silver medal in the 2019 Pacific Games while being the oldest woman in the Olympic competition, at 43.

 

 

 

so?  Who cares?

[Alflives]

3 hours ago, AriGold said:

Very cut and dry IMO.

 

If you were born a male, then you produce more testosterone than somebody born a female, which contributes to muscle mass and performance improvement. An average man has a bigger structure, more muscle mass and basically far more physical strength than an average woman, any given day.

 

If you were born a man then you should not be able to participate in a women's sporting event, especially at higher levels.

 

Example: Gavin, I mean Laurel Hubbard, is 6-foot-1, 287 pounds female that transitioned from being a man. He set national records in junior competition (under 20). She ignited protests of unfairness after winning two gold medals and a silver medal in the 2019 Pacific Games while being the oldest woman in the Olympic competition, at 43.

 

 

 

Well, of course.  That’s just common sense that a man will have a physical advantage over a woman.  That’s why we have men’s and women’s sports.  But at the rec level, when it’s just for fun and there’s not supposed to be contact, then men and women can play together for sure.  Mixed activities are good.  It looks like the game this guy and girl had their contact in was a fun one.  Had nothing to do with his being a man and her a woman.  Could hav3 happened in mixed softball or any game where guys and girls play together.  It was an accident.  The guy didn’t in any way mean to run over the girl.  

[AriGold]

21 minutes ago, stawns said:

so?  Who cares?

Every other female competitor who got screwed out of a title because a person who was previously a male won a female competition.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, AriGold said:

Every other female competitor who got screwed out of a title because a person who was previously a male won a female competition.

Sure, but how does what you’re talking about apply to this particular situation, which was clearly a rec game for fun? 

 

[stawns]

10 minutes ago, AriGold said:

Every other female competitor who got screwed out of a title because a person who was previously a male won a female competition.

which will, really, have no impact on the rest of their lives

[AriGold]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sure, but how does what you’re talking about apply to this particular situation, which was clearly a rec game for fun? 

 

I responded to somebody who made a comment.

7 minutes ago, stawns said:

which will, really, have no impact on the rest of their lives

What ?! Are you crazy ?! It will literally impact the trajectory of their lives. Gold medal to silver medal.. HUGE difference..

[stawns]

Just now, AriGold said:

I responded to somebody who made a comment.

What ?! Are you crazy ?! It will literally impact the trajectory of their lives. Gold medal to silver medal.. HUGE difference..

how so?  I know Olympic medal winners and they live pretty rdinary lives after........the Olympics was just a chapter in their lives

[AriGold]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

how so?  I know Olympic medal winners and they live pretty rdinary lives after........the Olympics was just a chapter in their lives

Well then, write a book about it. Point being, if you're born a male you shouldn't be allowed to perform in female sporting events. The advantage is too great and it will ruin female sports, what's left of them.

[Master Mind]

27 minutes ago, stawns said:

which will, really, have no impact on the rest of their lives

Would you also remove weight classes in combat sports?

 

No need to have different championships to strive for by your logic...

[stawns]

12 minutes ago, stawns said:

how so?  I know Olympic medal winners and they live pretty rdinary lives after........the Olympics was just a chapter in their lives

I think you think there's a lot more transgendered athletes out there than there really is.