[proposal] Miller to Isles

[Ted Lasso]

To Van: Romanov + Raty 

 

To NYI: Miller (50% retained this year)  + Rathbone

 

Both teams address an immediate need with cost certainty, and gain a top prospect replacement. Romanov can play on the right side, and hits a lot - possible replacement for Schenn?

 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Kenny Powers
Learned we CAN retain on Miller this year

[Nucker 67]

I was sold when I saw "Miller to..."

[Phil_314]

7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I was sold when I saw "Miller to..."

[Phil_314]

Miller's $8 million extension starts next season.  Rathbone is at $850k.  Presuming Jack makes their lineup, that's $8.85 million going in, $2.5 million coming out, net -$6.35 million for the Isles who currently have $10,461,667 available next offseason ($4.11 million remaining).  Not sure that's enough to re-sign Wahlstrom, sign backup goalie and re-sign/ replace Mayfield, so I wonder if the Isles would add one of Bailey ($5 million * 2 years), Beauvillier ($4.15 million * 2 years) or Palmieri ($5 million * 3 years) in the trade to make cap work.  Net $6.65 mil to $7.5 mil going out might be more palatable for them.

I'd do the original trade but just gotta make the cap fit.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Phil_314

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6 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Miller's $8 million extension starts next season.  Rathbone is at $850k.  Presuming Jack makes their lineup, that's $8.85 million going in, $2.5 million coming out, net -$6.35 million for the Isles who currently have $10,461,667 available next offseason ($4.11 million remaining).  Not sure that's enough to re-sign Wahlstrom, sign backup goalie and re-sign/ replace Mayfield, so I wonder if the Isles would add one of Bailey ($5 million * 2 years), Beauvillier ($4.15 million * 2 years) or Palmieri ($5 million * 3 years) in the trade to make cap work.

I'd do the original trade but just gotta make the cap fit.

Yep, good point. It looks like the money is close this year (NYI has $2.4M space), but taking a bad contract back makes it more realistic. Bailey and Beauvillier are the two underperforming wingers most often cited, and both signed for two more years. I prefer Beauvillier, as he’s younger. 
 

But he sounds very similar to Garland

 

SCOUTING REPORT

A speedy, skilled forward, he handles the puck well and has a lot of offensive creativity. Excels at chipping pucks past opponents and retrieving them on the other side. Owns good hands and excellent moves in tight spaces. Has added strength since entering the NHL but could use more. Is very streaky offensively, and when he is not scoring the rest of his game tends to suffer.

Long Range Potential:Speedy, versatile winger.

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Kenny Powers

[Phil_314]

19 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Yep, good point. It looks like the money is close this year (NYI has $2.4M space), but taking a bad contract back makes it more realistic. Bailey and Beauvillier are the two underperforming wingers most often cited, and both signed for two more years. I prefer Beauvillier, as he’s younger. 
 

But he sounds very similar to Garland

 

SCOUTING REPORT

A speedy, skilled forward, he handles the puck well and has a lot of offensive creativity. Excels at chipping pucks past opponents and retrieving them on the other side. Owns good hands and excellent moves in tight spaces. Has added strength since entering the NHL but could use more. Is very streaky offensively, and when he is not scoring the rest of his game tends to suffer.

Long Range Potential: Speedy, versatile winger.

 

Agreed; honestly I'd try to flip one of them (probably Beauvillier), since they are somewhat redundant, and a bottom feeder might take him on just to try and make something of him since he's still youngish and a former 1st round pick.  

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Just now, Phil_314 said:

Agreed; honestly I'd try to flip one of them (probably Beauvillier), since they are somewhat redundant, and a bottom feeder might take him on just to try and make something of him since he's still youngish and a former 1st round pick.  

Good call - any proposal will likely require further moves, but if management insists on retooling this year, I like a deal like this to get it started. Resign Bo, and trade Miller for two younger assets that fill positions needs. Maybe call up Raty to replace Dries on an offensive 3rd line, and Romanov at 20 minutes/game gives BB lots of options on D.

 

 

 

[Fanuck]

Isles are gonna want to dump Baileys contract if they take on a huge investment like JT. Could Bailey find his game again to make it worth it in the short term?  

[DownUndaCanuck]

They're going to be tight against the cap but looks like Romanov is playing top minutes for them.

 

I'd target Pulock - he's 28, big, strong RD who can play top-4 minutes but is currently playing only 18-20 minutes a night (buy low?). Most importantly, he's got a 6.1M cap hit for a very long time. If we're trading any of our big contracts, we've got to take some on.

 

Miller for Pulock + 1st or even 2nd? I'd do that straight swap. Couple of pretty bad contracts.

 

If NYI want more cap wiggle room:

TO VAN: Pulock + Pageau + 1st

TO NYI: Miller + Rathbone (or Woo, some defensive prospect)

 

We go +3 in cap though on the deal but then with the 3C situation and top RD sorted, we can move Boeser and/or Garland and Pearson for picks/next to nothing. I'm sure there's a Boeser/Garland + pick deal for Peeke out there. If not, Boeser for Severson or Dumba (two expiring contracts) might be on the cards? Flip Garland and Pearson then for the cap space (might gain a 2nd or 3rd for Garland but then spend a 3rd to get rid of Pearson's contract) in the off-season and suddenly we've got all sorts of flexibility, and can re-sign Bo and Kuzmenko in the off-season if Dumba/Severson want to walk.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Isles are gonna want to dump Baileys contract if they take on a huge investment like JT. Could Bailey find his game again to make it worth it in the short term?  

His contract expires in two years…if it gets us a top C prospect and a young D who can play on the right, I would consider it. Two more years at $5… maybe he’s a replacement piece on the 3rd line if we can trade other redundant wingers. Could provide some vet mentorship in the bottom 6

[Kuzy]

2 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:

To Van: Romanov + Raty 

 

To NYI: Miller + Rathbone

 

Both teams address an immediate need with cost certainty, and gain a top prospect replacement. Romanov can play on the right side, and hits a lot - possible replacement for Schenn?

 

 

This is actually a really good proposal after looking at it from both sides... I can see NYI being all over this. The only thing though, is they spent a lot in acquiring Romanov to be their top pair shut down guy and I'm not sure they're keen to part with him yet.

[Phil_314]

Honestly I'd up the initial trade.

Pulock and Raty, plus one of Bailey/ Beauvillier/ Palmieri (around $12 million going out) for Miller + Boeser (around $14 million going to them).  With Dobson taking the top RHD spot (and presuming they re-sign Mayfield after this), locking up Pulock at $6.15 million (he's only 28) gives us that long-term partner for Hughes, at the cost of another player currently deemed overpriced in Boeser who would have value next to Barzal as his sniper.  If we get Bailey or Beauvillier, we'd have another speedy, versatile winger who can slot in different roles (Bailey plays PK and PP), whereas as mentioned above we could flip Beauvillier to a rebuilding team, or take on Palmieri's cap (he's declining but still serviceable, and what's important is he costs less and has shorter term).  Move Myers next off-season as an expiring UFA RHD, re-sign Schenn and we could look pretty good.

Kuzmenko - Petey - Mikheyev 
_________ - Horvat - ______ (blanks are some combo of the acquired winger, Podkolzin, Garland, Hoglander, etc.)

_________ - Raty - ________ (Raty's an offensive C with a 200-foot game, he can probably center his own line)

(4th line)

 

Hughes - Pulock 

OEL - Bear
____ - Schenn 

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4 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Honestly I'd up the initial trade.

Pulock and Raty, plus one of Bailey/ Beauvillier/ Palmieri (around $12 million going out) for Miller + Boeser (around $14 million going to them).  With Dobson taking the top RHD spot (and presuming they re-sign Mayfield after this), locking up Pulock at $6.15 million (he's only 28) gives us that long-term partner for Hughes, at the cost of another player currently deemed overpriced in Boeser who would have value next to Barzal as his sniper.  If we get Bailey or Beauvillier, we'd have another speedy, versatile winger who can slot in different roles (Bailey plays PK and PP), whereas as mentioned above we could flip Beauvillier to a rebuilding team, or take on Palmieri's cap (he's declining but still serviceable, and what's important is he costs less and has shorter term).  Move Myers next off-season as an expiring UFA RHD, re-sign Schenn and we could look pretty good.

Kuzmenko - Petey - Mikheyev 
_________ - Horvat - ______ (blanks are some combo of the acquired winger, Podkolzin, Garland, Hoglander, etc.)

_________ - Raty - ________ (Raty's an offensive C with a 200-foot game, he can probably center his own line)

(4th line)

 

Hughes - Pulock 

OEL - Bear
____ - Schenn 

I like this one - not really sure how Lou values Romanov v Pulock v Dobson

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2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

They're going to be tight against the cap but looks like Romanov is playing top minutes for them.

 

I'd target Pulock - he's 28, big, strong RD who can play top-4 minutes but is currently playing only 18-20 minutes a night (buy low?). Most importantly, he's got a 6.1M cap hit for a very long time. If we're trading any of our big contracts, we've got to take some on.

 

Miller for Pulock + 1st or even 2nd? I'd do that straight swap. Couple of pretty bad contracts.

 

If NYI want more cap wiggle room:

TO VAN: Pulock + Pageau + 1st

TO NYI: Miller + Rathbone (or Woo, some defensive prospect)

 

We go +3 in cap though on the deal but then with the 3C situation and top RD sorted, we can move Boeser and/or Garland and Pearson for picks/next to nothing. I'm sure there's a Boeser/Garland + pick deal for Peeke out there. If not, Boeser for Severson or Dumba (two expiring contracts) might be on the cards? Flip Garland and Pearson then for the cap space (might gain a 2nd or 3rd for Garland but then spend a 3rd to get rid of Pearson's contract) in the off-season and suddenly we've got all sorts of flexibility, and can re-sign Bo and Kuzmenko in the off-season if Dumba/Severson want to walk.

 

 

 

How do you think Lou values Pulock v Romanov? I’m not sure Pulock’s deal is considered a negative. 

 

I like Pulock coming back, but would prefer Raty over Pageau. 

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Just skimmed the Islanders HFboards, and found this:

 

Romanov is bad at hockey. I hope they don't trade for Romanovs in the future. He's 22, so hoping he can develop into a decent top 6 guy, but 30 games in, it's looking bad. He's average in the defensive zone. However, he is so bad at transporting and passing the puck, that the territorial play is usually in the D zone when he's on the ice. It's no coincidence that Dobson has been better since Aho replaced Romanov. Coincidentally, Mayfield's metrics have been worse. Mayfield is actually very good at what he does. Romanov has dragged down all of his defensive partners thus far. Hoping he's still learning the system. It took Mayfield a while too. But IMO, that trade has looked really bad so far.

Of all defensemen that have played at least 500 5v5 minutes, only Fowler, Faulk, Kulikov, Provorov, Pionk have allowed more xGA. He's at 44% xGF% for the season. For a dman who doesn't provide anything offensively, that's really bad. 

I'm really hoping that Lou realizes his mistake and deals him as part of a bigger deal for a top 6 forward. There has to be other GMs that think he's good.

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1 hour ago, Kuzy said:

This is actually a really good proposal after looking at it from both sides... I can see NYI being all over this. The only thing though, is they spent a lot in acquiring Romanov to be their top pair shut down guy and I'm not sure they're keen to part with him yet.

Apparently he’s off to a rough start, and will be bumped down once Pelech is back from injury (which should be soon).

[wildcam]

3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

They're going to be tight against the cap but looks like Romanov is playing top minutes for them.

 

I'd target Pulock - he's 28, big, strong RD who can play top-4 minutes but is currently playing only 18-20 minutes a night (buy low?). Most importantly, he's got a 6.1M cap hit for a very long time. If we're trading any of our big contracts, we've got to take some on.

 

Miller for Pulock + 1st or even 2nd? I'd do that straight swap. Couple of pretty bad contracts.

 

If NYI want more cap wiggle room:

TO VAN: Pulock + Pageau + 1st

TO NYI: Miller + Rathbone (or Woo, some defensive prospect)

 

We go +3 in cap though on the deal but then with the 3C situation and top RD sorted, we can move Boeser and/or Garland and Pearson for picks/next to nothing. I'm sure there's a Boeser/Garland + pick deal for Peeke out there. If not, Boeser for Severson or Dumba (two expiring contracts) might be on the cards? Flip Garland and Pearson then for the cap space (might gain a 2nd or 3rd for Garland but then spend a 3rd to get rid of Pearson's contract) in the off-season and suddenly we've got all sorts of flexibility, and can re-sign Bo and Kuzmenko in the off-season if Dumba/Severson want to walk.

 

 

 

Please please don't take another small forward making 5 million Pageau big no..Pageau 5'10 - 30 yrs - 4 yrs X 5 million

[DownUndaCanuck]

Maybe the solution to this mess of a core is to trade Bo and Miller. A bit like Calgary's retool (which isn't working so far) we could get a 2C 3C and defenceman back easily, especially if we trade Boeser too.

[NorthWestNuck]

I like this.

 

Raty would have to be included. Get Raty and one of Romanov or Pulock for Miller and Rathbone. If the contracts need balancing out we’ll take Bailey and add Rathbone’s buddy McDunough(sp?). Something like that…

[BigTramFan]

Pulock has a full NTC. He will not agree to move to VAN.