The current team is awful, but lets talk about something else awful!

[MtnHockeyGuy]

DRAFTING

 

Of the past 7 (SEVEN!) years, we only have 2 (TWO!) players that have made any sort of significant impact. 

 

1. Petterson

2. Hughes

 

I'm not including Podkolzin or Hoglander. From what I have seen both are low hockey IQ players whom I do not have faith in at all at becoming strong contributors to an NHL team, which as resulted in assignment to the AHL. 

 

Two players. 7 drafts. 46 players drafted. 

 

To me, this is an absolute travesty and is another major factor as to why we are in such a catastrophic position right now. But maybe this is normal when you compare it to the entire NHL, I don't know the stats. But it doesn't look good. 

 

Draft better?

 

 

[Nucker 67]

That is shocking, to only have 2 impact players after 7 years. Maybe could include Boeser, but probably not. I would say Demko has been an impact player, but I know what you mean. Being bad all those years and not getting more picks and drafting better, missed opportunities.

 

Benning wasn't one to add extra 1sts and I suspect neither is JR. I think the plan is to just continue to switch out parts and hope to one day land on a winning combination. Not a fan of this game plan. I think Draft Day is one of my favourite days of the year, especially when the Canucks have a high 1st. Would be nice to have more high picks and prospects developing, but playoffs is still the goal. 

 

 

[Mando27]

Can't expect them to draft well when they throw picks away and don't want any in return.

[Phil_314]

Totally get your point, and Benning was supposed to help as drafting was his specialty but hindsight indicates he wasn't all that successful here (Woo/ Lind/ Gadjovich look like busts, Rathbone/ Hoglander/ Podkolzin are works in progress; they had Tryamkin/ McCann/ Forsling, etc. but traded them or let them walk).  If we had a strong pipeline of youth we'd be a lot more promising of a franchise to root for, but instead we're hoping for more smallish wingers (Lekkerimaki, Klimovich) when the guys on the roster are locked up with term already, while Re-Petey is the only hopeful on the blueline at this point.  

Edited December 21, 2022 by Phil_314

[RolexSub]

Very good point made OP and it was such as joke back in 2016 when I was like we could have picked Tkachuk but instead we picked Olli Juolevi. 

 

If we go back to 2000 (20yrs ago) on all of our first round picks, only player to honourably mention are: 

 

2003 Ryan Kesler

2005 Luc Bourdon 

2013 Bo Horvat

2017: EP40

2018: Quinn Hughes 

 

Technically LB don't count so 4 players out of 20yrs of first rounders!! 

 

That is it over 20yrs of first round pick...pretty sad!!! If you look at other NHL teams their makes are a lot of their own grown draft picks vs us majority of our team is made up of trades. 

 

Even the expansion teams are doing way better than we are lol!!! 

Edited December 21, 2022 by RolexSub

[Taphouse Canuck]

I think I would include Boeser, even though he is playing like a dog this year. You are right in your overall conclusion, but then we have never reallly had the opportunity to draft very high. 2020 our highest pick was 82.

 

Sadly the D men we have drafted seem to have fared even worse than the forwards. 

 

Brisebois

Yuolevi

Rathbone

Woo

 

have all shown promise but never got beyond AHL level

 

Next EP, who knows?

 

 

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

How many players actually become players of significance for other teams though? 

 

 

Our first rounder in 2015, BB6 I honestly thought would be the second coming of Bure in terms of goal scoring for us but wow he fell off.

2016 (Olli Juolevi) didn't work out, 2017,2018 subsequently went well with EP, QH. 

2019 podz 10OA still unknown...

 

our most recent first with lakkerimaki, looks meh.

 

I mean i guess i thought it was okay but... i dont think its too too bad.

 

However maybe its because I was traumatized by the Gillis years of drafting, the dark days when frankie freaking corrado was our top prospect. 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by PetterssonOrPeterson

[shazzam]

When we pick as high as #5 OJ and #6 Virtanen, we expect at least a top 4 D and top 6 forward. Both busts. That hurts a lot

[-DLC-]

So Boeser isn't included in the past 7 years as he was drafted 8 years ago.

 

I hate these sort of posts, sorry.

 

But we've had 5 first round picks in those 7 years and none higher than 5th. I'd say getting Petey at 5th and Quinn at 7th we've done ok.

 

I also don't know why you'd exclude Podz and Hoglander...hardly giving them a chance.

 

It's an issue here...people have no patience. Draft picks never used to just slide right in and go...it often took years to develop them first. 

 

I do wish we wouldn't give up picks so easily...that has to stop. But the teams that get top 3 picks will see better results...we just haven't had the luxury of those high picks. 

 

I feel like you've been lazy and if you're going to do this, do the work. Show comparisons with other teams in order to see. Teams that pick beyond the top 3. Also...draft order really matters and we may have had 46 picks but if they're in later rounds you really can't expect much.

 

We'll draft better when we secure better picks...that's the focus. Set the bar realistically...Hoglander was picked in the second round...I'd say he's working out just fine considering that. 

[billabong]

One reason and one reason only.

 

For a rebuilding team they NEVER had a draft or 2 with multiple high picks. We’ve seen teams like Ottawa, Montreal and Arizona have 4 or 5 2nd round picks in a single draft 

 

they traded 2nd rounders for baertschi, vey and any other reclamation projects they tried to resuscitate that I’ve blocked out of my memory 

 

You need as many bullets in the gun to hit the targets and this team tried to get by with a finite amount of picks and now this team is asset strapped, no impact prospects, no cap space and no direction 

[D.B Cooper]

10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

So Boeser isn't included in the past 7 years as he was drafted 8 years ago.

 

I hate these sort of posts, sorry.

 

But we've had 5 first round picks in those 7 years and none higher than 5th. I'd say getting Petey at 5th and Quinn at 7th we've done ok.

 

I also don't know why you'd exclude Podz and Hoglander...hardly giving them a chance.

 

It's an issue here...people have no patience. Draft picks never used to just slide right in and go...it often took years to develop them first. 

 

I do wish we wouldn't give up picks so easily...that has to stop. But the teams that get top 3 picks will see better results...we just haven't had the luxury of those high picks. 

 

I feel like you've been lazy and if you're going to do this, do the work. Show comparisons with other teams in order to see. Teams that pick beyond the top 3. Also...draft order really matters and we may have had 46 picks but if they're in later rounds you really can't expect much.

 

We'll draft better when we secure better picks...that's the focus. Set the bar realistically...Hoglander was picked in the second round...I'd say he's working out just fine considering that. 

Are you saying you are fine with our last 7 years of drafting and what we have to show for it?

[fanfor42]

For years people on CDC said - well at least Benning for all his shortcomings can draft well.

 

Some still say this inexplicably.

 

He was an average drafter at best.  And terrible at everything else.

 

We don't have anywhere near as much young talent as we should have for the last 8 years of lousy results in the standings.

 

Some people want to make excuse after excuse after excuse. 

 

 

 

 

[Devron]

Meh

[Bounce000]

You’re really giving up on Podkolzin and Hoglander? How dare two 22 year olds aren’t lighting up the NHL on a horrible team!

 

Edit: Also, the other posters hit the nail on the head. The problem isn’t the players we’ve drafted, no one has a crystal ball to see if they’ll have any NHL impact. The issue is management pissing away draft picks in order to speed up the rebuild (I wonder who told them to go that route). Most draft picks are swings and misses, if 3 players in your draft class play 200 NHL games, then you had a damn good draft. Stocking up on draft picks is best way to turn things around.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Bounce000

[Rick Blight]

41 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

So Boeser isn't included in the past 7 years as he was drafted 8 years ago.

 

I hate these sort of posts, sorry.

 

But we've had 5 first round picks in those 7 years and none higher than 5th. I'd say getting Petey at 5th and Quinn at 7th we've done ok.

 

I also don't know why you'd exclude Podz and Hoglander...hardly giving them a chance.

 

It's an issue here...people have no patience. Draft picks never used to just slide right in and go...it often took years to develop them first. 

 

I do wish we wouldn't give up picks so easily...that has to stop. But the teams that get top 3 picks will see better results...we just haven't had the luxury of those high picks. 

 

I feel like you've been lazy and if you're going to do this, do the work. Show comparisons with other teams in order to see. Teams that pick beyond the top 3. Also...draft order really matters and we may have had 46 picks but if they're in later rounds you really can't expect much.

 

We'll draft better when we secure better picks...that's the focus. Set the bar realistically...Hoglander was picked in the second round...I'd say he's working out just fine considering that. 

Hoglander has played the most games and scored the most points of any player drafted in the 2nd round his draft year  It is either instant and continual success or they are busts for this fanbase. 

 

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
2	32	Ottawa	Shane Pinto	C	Tri-City Storm [USHL]	48	11	12	23	18	2022-23
2	33	Los Angeles	Arthur Kaliyev	R	Hamilton Bulldogs [OHL]	114	24	22	46	41	2022-23
2	34	Philadelphia	Bobby Brink	R	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]	10	0	4	4	0	2021-22
2	35	Detroit	Antti Tuomisto	D	Assat [Finland Jrs.]
2	36	Carolina	Pyotr Kochetkov	G	Stupino Kapitan [Russia Jrs.]	17	0	0	0	0	2022-23
2	37	Ottawa	Mads Sogaard	G	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	2	0	0	0	0	2021-22
2	38	Edmonton	Raphael Lavoie	C	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]
2	39	Anaheim	Jackson LaCombe	D	Shattuck-St. Mary's [Minn. H.S.]
2	40	Vancouver	Nils Hoglander	L	Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL]	141	26	28	54	46	2022-23
2	41	Vegas	Kaedan Korczak	D	Kelowna Rockets [WHL]	1	0	0	0	0	2021-22
2	42	Minnesota	Vladislav Firstov	L	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2	43	Chicago	Alex Vlasic	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	15	1	1	2	2	2021-22
2	44	Carolina	Jamieson Rees	C	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2	45	Nashville	Egor Afanasyev	L	Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL]
2	46	Montreal	Jayden Struble	D	St. Sebastiens [U.S. H.S.]
2	47	Colorado	Drew Helleson	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2	48	San Jose	Artemi Kniazev	D	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]	1	0	0	0	0	2021-22
2	49	NY Rangers	Matthew Robertson	D	Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]
2	50	Los Angeles	Samuel Fagemo	L	Frolunda HC [SweHL]	7	1	1	2	0	2022-23
2	51	Winnipeg	Simon Lundmark	D	Linkopings HC [SweHL]
2	52	Florida	Vladislav Kolyachonok	D	Flint Firebirds [OHL]	32	1	2	3	6	2021-22
2	53	Toronto	Nicholas Robertson	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	31	3	4	7	4	2022-23
2	54	Detroit	Robert Mastrosimone	L	Chicago Steel [USHL]
2	55	San Jose	Dillon Hamaliuk	L	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2	56	Washington	Brett Leason	R	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	62	6	4	10	10	2022-23
2	57	NY Islanders	Samuel Bolduc	D	Blainville-Boisbriand Armada [QMJHL]
2	58	NY Rangers	Karl Henriksson	C	Frolunda [Sweden Jrs.]
2	59	Minnesota	Hunter Jones	G	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
2	60	Detroit	Albert Johansson	D	Farjestads [Sweden Jrs.]
2	61	New Jersey	Nikita Okhotyuk	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	5	1	1	2	2	2021-22
2	62	St. Louis	Nikita Alexandrov	C	Charlottetown Islanders [QMJHL]	9	0	1	1	0	2022-23

[4petesake]

Meh.

 

I just looked at the last seven drafts for all the Canadian teams and there’s not a whole lot to chose between them. Basically two difference makers each with a couple of prospects each that are getting close. 

[King Heffy]

The last GM we had who drafted competently was Burke.  This is unfortunately par for the course here.

[Ghostsof1915]

I'm not a fan of Benning. But Tram left, because he didn't like it here. You may not want to admit it, not everyone likes Vancouver. My Ex-GF, she hated Vancouver. (Because she was Italian and often went to Northern Italy) She said Vancouver was "Too new", no heritage. I pointed out First Nations, the scenery, etc. But she just hated the city. That's when I knew long term it was never going to work out.

 

Tram gets worshipped here way more than any other 3rd round pick I've ever seen. He even came to camp out of shape. Normally when that happens, the player gets crucified.

Not Tram. "Oh it's ok. It's in his contract he can't go to the AHL even for a conditioning stint....". Like he got a get out of jail free card with the fans.

 

Forsling was the real stupid move. Another one of Benning's attempt to fast track instead of letting a prospect get better.

[You Mad Bro?]

2 hours ago, shazzam said:

When we pick as high as #5 OJ and #6 Virtanen, we expect at least a top 4 D and top 6 forward. Both busts. That hurts a lot

This. Except I’d go further and say drafting that high, taking the first defenceman and the first right winger in the draft, you’re expecting a first pairing D man and first line RW. Missing on both those picks is hurting us today

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

I distinctly remember people here claiming Benning was an extremely good drafter.  They were 100% wrong then, and 100% wrong now.