Move Miller now! (Discussion)

[J.I.A.H.N]

Ok...............sit back and imagine Miller getting 46 points a season............well he is on track for a 72 point season now.............an I suspect, as long as he plays PP, he will be getting close to that, but he was a regular 45  point player before coming to Vancouver. Is the sky falling, no, but give it a few years, and large bricks will be falling out of the sky, and hitting us hard.

 

So, what is his value at $8.0 Million per year X 7 years get you in trade? Not a friggin thing! Maybe a late first, maybe a 2nd, or maybe we have to pay and take a bad contract back, as part of it, in the same way Vegas had to let Schmidt go for a 3rd round pick. It may cost more!

 

But given the current state of affairs, it might be prudent to move Miller out, while we still can.

 

Think of it this way..........if the return was zero, we become worse in the short term, there by acquiring a better draft position, and secondly we acquire by $8.0 Million per year, by simply not having him on the books. Any move that actually gets us a pick, is a win! Miller to Buffalo? Would the Rangers still take him? Could they? Who else?

 

IMO, this is long term planning, and short term gain by omission.

 

The second question that occurs to me is what do we do with the 8.0 million? IMO, we should still move Horvat, and focus on that RHD for Quinn Hughes, but that is for a different thread.

[qwijibo]

Do you think the current administration is going to out and out admit the biggest move they’ve made since being brought in was a mistake?  That doesn’t scream job security to me. I don’t see it happening. (But I guess stranger things have happened)

[J.I.A.H.N]

16 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Do you think the current administration is going to out and out admit the biggest move they’ve made since being brought in was a mistake?  That doesn’t scream job security to me. I don’t see it happening. (But I guess stranger things have happened)

Well, that is a good question, and the answer is, "IF" they made the decision, well then Aqualini will not be happy, but he probably is not happy now anyways. If on the other had, Aqualini told them not to move players and sell the year to us fans, then they are clean to "some" extent. 

 

Either way, someone has to take a grasp on reality, and make a big boy decision or 2. Quite honestly, if things are not done by TDL, and Horvat walks for nothing, because Aqualini is still trying to squeak into the playoffs, and we do not get a franchise type of player (a good one anyways), fans are going to be upset, and that will make Aqualini more upset, so "pay me now or pay me later" but things will happen sooner or later.

 

But I appreciate your question.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by J.I.A.H.N

[jyu]

18 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Do you think the current administration is going to out and out admit the biggest move they’ve made since being brought in was a mistake?  That doesn’t scream job security to me. I don’t see it happening. (But I guess stranger things have happened)

Well, maybe it was Francesco signing Miller.

 

And maybe the management has convinced Francesco to rebuild and that they will trade Miller and Horvat... just a wishful thinking.

 

[hammertime]

I do not share your thoughts on Miller. 

 

While I would have preferred to move him last dead line ideal world while the return out weighed Miller's value to us. I don't hate his contract. I think it's actually pretty fair value. A team in an actual win now cycle would love to add JT Miller.

 

The problem for us is that he's a gunslinger and we have no defense. 

 

If he were a more complete player 8m would just be scratching the surface in a world where Brock is worth 6.65m to MGMT. 

[Kelly Green]

When they signed him in September I thought it was a sign and trade deal, apparently not the case. i agree he should be moved before the deadline for whatever value is out there. He really doesn't fit with this team imo.

[Alflives]

Seems our owner wants to keep the core group.  He took Miller off the market before the 2022 TDL.  Then he signed Miller to the big extension.  I’d be shocked if our owner doesn’t get Bo signed soon too.  

[wildcam]

Allvin will have to move out salary..

Myers - this summer after 5 million bonus is paid new team will only have to pay miller 1 million---6 million gone

Boeser 6.7 or Garland 4.9 million -- One of these guy has to be moved..

Pearson 3.2 million trade retain  1.2 million each year X 2 yrs -- save 2 million

So just these 3 players can save you 12- - 14 million ? Might have to some players back...

Horvat ? will demand 8 yrs X 7.7 million ? really a 58 -- 68 point guy---- 25--30 G

Miller 29 or Horvat 27-- one must be traded will save another 8 million-- say 5- million coming back in players salary? 3 million saved

 

sign Kuzmenk 3 X 4.8 million

 

Sign Hoglander -- 2 yrs X 1.2 million show me more

Dermott 25   sign 2 yrs 2.2 million - show me more deal

Bear 25 RD  sign -- 4 yrs  - 3.3 - 3.5  million AAV

[J.I.A.H.N]

54 minutes ago, wildcam said:

Allvin will have to move out salary..

Myers - this summer after 5 million bonus is paid new team will only have to pay miller 1 million---6 million gone

Boeser 6.7 or Garland 4.9 million -- One of these guy has to be moved..

Pearson 3.2 million trade retain  1.2 million each year X 2 yrs -- save 2 million

So just these 3 players can save you 12- - 14 million ? Might have to some players back...

Horvat ? will demand 8 yrs X 7.7 million ? really a 58 -- 68 point guy---- 25--30 G

Miller 29 or Horvat 27-- one must be traded will save another 8 million-- say 5- million coming back in players salary? 3 million saved

 

sign Kuzmenk 3 X 4.8 million

 

Sign Hoglander -- 2 yrs X 1.2 million show me more

Dermott 25   sign 2 yrs 2.2 million - show me more deal

Bear 25 RD  sign -- 4 yrs  - 3.3 - 3.5  million AAV

You make good points Wildcam, but for all the Hocus Pocus that JR can do, we are still a bottom 10 team, and after all that, short one more top end player. Our apex will be when Pettersson and Hughes are 27 and 28 years old, and our run will be for 5 or 6 years after that, "IF" they get their shit together. If they don't they will have squandered Pettie and Quinn, like they did Horvat and Miller. They need to get this fixed!

[Ruthervin]

5 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Ok...............sit back and imagine Miller getting 46 points a season............well he is on track for a 72 point season now.............an I suspect, as long as he plays PP, he will be getting close to that, but he was a regular 45  point player before coming to Vancouver. Is the sky falling, no, but give it a few years, and large bricks will be falling out of the sky, and hitting us hard.

 

So, what is his value at $8.0 Million per year X 7 years get you in trade? Not a friggin thing! Maybe a late first, maybe a 2nd, or maybe we have to pay and take a bad contract back, as part of it, in the same way Vegas had to let Schmidt go for a 3rd round pick. It may cost more!

 

But given the current state of affairs, it might be prudent to move Miller out, while we still can.

 

Think of it this way..........if the return was zero, we become worse in the short term, there by acquiring a better draft position, and secondly we acquire by $8.0 Million per year, by simply not having him on the books. Any move that actually gets us a pick, is a win! Miller to Buffalo? Would the Rangers still take him? Could they? Who else?

 

IMO, this is long term planning, and short term gain by omission.

 

The second question that occurs to me is what do we do with the 8.0 million? IMO, we should still move Horvat, and focus on that RHD for Quinn Hughes, but that is for a different thread.

The time to move both Miller and Boeser was in the Summer unfortunately (or in Boeser’s case, maybe even walking from him entirely).   This management might even be worse than Benning’s unfortunately.

[DrJockitch]

I think the organization tried to get a boatload for Miller but couldn’t. The GMs see what we do. 
‘Miller actually signed a pretty reasonable contract in the end, just wasn’t one that really made sense for the Canucks where they actually were/are. 
Now we see if someone backs up the Brinks truck for Bo but the potential of Kane and Toews in the market makes it a bit more of a buyers market. If they let someone like CBJ talk to him first they may be able to get a tonne for him yet. With retention Bo is also much easier to fit under the cap this season. 
Ultimately prioritizing JT over Bo was a mistake short and long term but it is done.  If he wants to go and somebody wants him then I would still trade him but don’t expect the offers we got last year which still weren’t great. 
This group hasn’t done a terrible job with acquisitions but cap management and moving players out has been problematic. 
I like that we are using Abbotsford more to try and develop the kids outside of the losing environment of the big club.  Successful organizations rarely throw 19 year olds straight from Europe into the NHL like we seem to.  

[qwijibo]

The “trade Miller” talk feels very reminiscent of when part of CDC thought Ericksson would be cut in training camp then retire rather than reporting to the minors.  Wishful thinking with almost no chance of happening 

[I Wont Sell The Team]

Here's hoping he can pick up his game before the trade deadline and some team gets desperate for scoring.

[Alflives]

5 hours ago, Ruthervin said:

The time to move both Miller and Boeser was in the Summer unfortunately (or in Boeser’s case, maybe even walking from him entirely).   This management might even be worse than Benning’s unfortunately.

 

IMHAO this is what happened:

The time to move Miller was at the 2022 TDL.  We had s good offer from the Rags, but our owner refuses futures in return, unless those futures can be quickly flipped into NHL players nearer to their ceiling.  Plus I think our owner wanted to keep Miller.  Miller was exciting, putting up big points, and put butts in seats.  

We should have just let ?Boeser walk and used that cap to absorb other teams’ bad contracts and (as a result) collect picks.  Again our owner likes how Boeser is a popular player, so he insisted we keep him.  

During the Boudreau Bump last season look how often our owner Tweeted about his exciting club.  Our owner has hamstrung management.  They must follow his direction.  He gave them two three years to win with this core.  One year is done, so two left.  Turn the club into a winner in those two years left or our owner will hire another management group.  And the cycle will continue.  

[Nucker 67]

I don't think Miller is being traded. They just committed $56,000,000 to him. They made their decision.

 

I gotta say, I am curious what this team will look like without Horvat and Boeser. I like both players, but if I had to choose two poster boys for the Country Club photo, it would probably be them. Hoping for an excellent, hard working gritty team in the near future. 

 

 

[eeeeergh]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

I don't think Miller is being traded. They just committed $56,000,000 to him. They made their decision.

 

I gotta say, I am curious what this team will look like without Horvat and Boeser. I like both players, but if I had to choose two poster boys for the Country Club photo, it would probably be them. Hoping for an excellent, hard working gritty team in the near future. 

 

 

Im not EddieVeder but man that St Louis game.. seeing Boeser just float around most of it, refusing to finish a single check, intentionally staying out of board battles. Huge yikes. 

[Ruthervin]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

I don't think Miller is being traded. They just committed $56,000,000 to him. They made their decision.

 

I gotta say, I am curious what this team will look like without Horvat and Boeser. I like both players, but if I had to choose two poster boys for the Country Club photo, it would probably be them. Hoping for an excellent, hard working gritty team in the near future. 

 

 

Horvat is in your Country Club photo?  He’s been one of our hardest workers this season and has over 20 goals already!  Definitely agree with you on Boeser however.  The guy has turned into Peter Pan unfortunately.

[DownUndaCanuck]

I'd love to, as everyone on CDC would, but there's no chance. The only way we'd be able to is by taking a good 5-8M cap back, which would make re-signing Bo tricky as well.

[Mollyworld]

Moving out Miller now before his extension kicked in would be a bad sign for any future signings, whether internal or free agents. Why would someone sign in Vancouver not knowing whether they will actually play there or end up somewhere else?

[Gurn]

23 minutes ago, Mollyworld said:

Moving out Miller now before his extension kicked in would be a bad sign for any future signings, whether internal or free agents. Why would someone sign in Vancouver not knowing whether they will actually play there or end up somewhere else?

Any player without a NTC does not 'know' where they will end up.

Miller is no different in this regard.

While few players have been signed, and traded before their NTC kicks in, it has happened.

 

I doubt it will, in this case, but it remains a possibility.

The teams that did trade guys, before their NTC were active, are still signing Free agents, so I don't see it being different for the Canucks.