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talking what’s JT millers trade value right now?

 

i think his contract could be looked at positively in some markets.

 

example Columbus. A place where it’s hard to attract or lock in top tier guys.

 

I think JT would be better in a market like that rather than Canucks pressure cooker.

 

but I think he should be viewed as a rental this year by a team that would be interested in signing a UFA like him in the summer.

 

if JT was a UFA this summer he probably would get an offer close to what he’s extended for.

 

I believe we could retain salary on the remainder of this year, trade him and then the team acquiring him could treat his new contract as if they were signing a UFA and have all summer to make shifts for salary reasons.

 

i think Fiala trade value of a 1st, a prospect with salary retention like we did with Bo would be fair value. 

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4 minutes ago, R3aL said:

talking what’s JT millers trade value right now?

 

i think his contract could be looked at positively in some markets.

 

example Columbus. A place where it’s hard to attract or lock in top tier guys.

 

I think JT would be better in a market like that rather than Canucks pressure cooker.

 

but I think he should be viewed as a rental this year by a team that would be interested in signing a UFA like him in the summer.

 

if JT was a UFA this summer he probably would get an offer close to what he’s extended for.

 

I believe we could retain salary on the remainder of this year, trade him and then the team acquiring him could treat his new contract as if they were signing a UFA and have all summer to make shifts for salary reasons.

 

i think Fiala trade value of a 1st, a prospect with salary retention like we did with Bo would be fair value. 

I think there's certainly a chance that teams might have heightened interest in JT as prices start to be set and as clues about possible UFA AAV come in.

 

JT at $8M, a point per game forward since 2019-2020, may look way more attractive.

 

There was rumored interest from CAR (also rumored about Horvat) and I could definitely see how that might work. Jordan Staal is a UFA next year and adding Miller will be a $2M bump up over Staal's AAV this year. Brindamour seems like a coach that could keep Miller in check.

 

I personally wasn't terribly offput by the idea of Kotkaniemi as part of a larger package return for Horvat, but for Miller I think it's more feasible. Both teams take on risky long term contracts but the Canucks free up over $3M in cap space moving forward and have a C that could solidify the middle 6 behind EP, especially if Raty pans out.

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Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.

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1 minute ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.

Really like that Miller + Schenn to the Canes idea (and return) 

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9 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.


i think this is the only time to trade miller for a return that helps our future and frees up the cap and also frees us of the Bo vs JT long term narrative we will have going on and on.

 

it’s just brutal seeing Chytil kill it and all the assets we could have had last year from the proposed deal with the rangers.

 

im not sure about those exact deals but I do think Boeser is as good as gone, and JT could very we be. I still remember the JR quote saying we made have to trade guys we weren’t originally planning too. And I thought there he was talking about JT and Demko.

 

but we will see.

 

30 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

I think there's certainly a chance that teams might have heightened interest in JT as prices start to be set and as clues about possible UFA AAV come in.

 

JT at $8M, a point per game forward since 2019-2020, may look way more attractive.

 

There was rumored interest from CAR (also rumored about Horvat) and I could definitely see how that might work. Jordan Staal is a UFA next year and adding Miller will be a $2M bump up over Staal's AAV this year. Brindamour seems like a coach that could keep Miller in check.

 

I personally wasn't terribly offput by the idea of Kotkaniemi as part of a larger package return for Horvat, but for Miller I think it's more feasible. Both teams take on risky long term contracts but the Canucks free up over $3M in cap space moving forward and have a C that could solidify the middle 6 behind EP, especially if Raty pans out.

 

i think so especially with teams acquiring meier soon, Tarasenko going to the rangers etc 
 

 

I’d be pretty happy with Columbus 2nd round pick( which is basically a late first) and Ceulemons


Kotkaniemi I’m very unsure on. Kinda strange if no team wants him. Or he could just have a Nick bonino like career 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.

The only caveat is that Monahan's on LTIR and Montreal is tanking 

 

I'd do the Carolina deal though 

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20 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.

Prepare to be really disappointed.  I highly doubt Miller will be moved. 

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Just now, N7Nucks said:

I think we are all pretty much in agreement most of the Miller trade talk won't lead to anything. We are just hopeful. But I am almost certain he is anchored to this team for most of this contract. Til we trade a top 10 pick to get rid of him.

I’m not hopeful! 

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10 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Sure. You mean posters that think they know more than the professional managers…

I was being tongue in cheek, no need to get bent out of shape. But lets not pretend these guys aren't prone to making mistakes. Lou openly bashed his signing barely minutes after making it.

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1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Looks like the arms race to the East is on, I'll be really disappointed if we don't trade Miller and stick with him the next 5+ years. Now's our best chance to trade him and you've got to think a team in the hunt for the cup in the East will take him now the New York teams have loaded up. Meier is the only real other decent piece out there, Miller and Brock are certainly valuable top 6 players. 

 

Carolina and NJD have to be the two big spots, I doubt Boston can fit either of our guys, especially cap wise. Don't see Vegas touching them. Carolina has cap space, KK and Morrow, there's a deal to be done there for sure.

 

Miller + Schenn for KK + Morrow + 1st from Carolina

 

Boeser for Monahan (seems weird but has been proposed a lot)

 

We run with Petey, Monahan and KK down the middle and use two of our first rounders to draft defencemen this year.

First off, KK sucks bad and his contract is dog shit. 
Second, where is Carolina getting all the cap space to fit Miller?  

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1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said:

why dow we want to trade Miller  now??

 

1. He is playing great 

2. Good line changes

3. No tantrums

4. He is doing well as 2C

 

Well, let's make one thing clear, they're not just going to give Miller away so if he's traded it'll mean a team is willing to give up good assets. And well, we could use good assets. 

 

We're also likely to trend younger the next few years as we try to overhaul our roster and defense. Odds are it's not just this season we miss out on the playoffs. It also depends on what management projects as the beginning of their window, it doesn't appear the think it's as close as Rutherford thought it was coming in. We've seen significant surgery with Horvat being traded, wouldn't be surprising to see more. 

 

If they think we're further away than closer they've also got to weigh what they think what they'll actually get out of Miller's remaining prime years. He'll be 30 to start next season, he's maybe got another 2-4 top seasons in him imo, most forwards don't age like a Crosby. There will likely be decline, whether that impacts his skating or something else. Posters may not agree with my take and that's fine, but that's still something management will need to weigh and consider. 

 

It also depends on what else they plan on doing. Trades don't happen in a vacuum. 

 

A Kotkaniemi, Morrow, 1st return or something similar would give them a younger player to slot behind Pettersson, a premium young RD, and a 1st to either use or flip to address areas of the roster. Even if we took back a 2nd instead it'd be a similar result, you'd just have lesser trade options. 

 

Some folks, like myself, think we're further away than closer and that we'd be better off with a return than we would be with Miller given we view our window as being further away and therefore less likely to actually benefit from the remainder of Miller's prime. 

 

But yeah, it largely depends on a team being willing to pay. I don't think Miller will be traded, I'm just hopeful. 

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Just now, D.B Cooper said:

First off, KK sucks bad and his contract is dog shit. 
Second, where is Carolina getting all the cap space to fit Miller?  

Pacioretty's 7M being on LTIR largely covers it I'd think 

 

His being a pending UFA would mean his cap would largely pay for Miller's extension 

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32 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

I would like to begin with I’m a big Miller fan and do NOT want him gone but I came across this today:

 

 

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This puck empire fella posts every random tweet on Twitter I wouldn’t buy to many stocks on what he posts, doesn’t make much sense for Carolina as pacioretty will be back next year and doesn’t work for their cap 

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5 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

First off, KK sucks bad and his contract is dog shit. 
Second, where is Carolina getting all the cap space to fit Miller?  

Big, big no to KK. Yip, can't believe anyone would advocate to aquire that turd of a player and contact. 

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