Coconuts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, LegionOfDoom said: This puck empire fella posts every random tweet on Twitter I wouldn’t buy to many stocks on what he posts, doesn’t make much sense for Carolina as pacioretty will be back next year and doesn’t work for their cap Pacioretty is a pending UFA, they could easily use his 7M in cap space elsewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: First off, KK sucks bad and his contract is dog shit. Second, where is Carolina getting all the cap space to fit Miller? Yeah, I have 0 interest in KK with any term on his contract. The cap space is worth more than whatever production he gives you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Pacioretty's 7M being on LTIR largely covers it I'd think His being a pending UFA would mean his cap would largely pay for Miller's extension Ok. Fair enough. But what about KK sucking at hockey and having a HORRIBLE contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Ok. Fair enough. But what about KK sucking at hockey and having a HORRIBLE contract? My argument for KK is this He'll be 23 by the time next season begins and could very well amount to something yet, at the very worst he'd be fine as a placeholder He's also an extremely manageable buyout over his contract https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi this summer Sub 1M longer term buyout, and I'm operating under the assumption that he'd be given at least a good number of years to show he could be an NHL player, which he likely is imo Buyout bumps up a bit the fewer years remaining on his deal but when you factor in the likely cap increases we'll see over the lifespan of his deal it'll be inconsequential You can play around with the buyout calculator to calculate what it'd look like each year Edited February 9 by Coconuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Coconuts said: My argument for KK is this He'll be 23 by the time next season begins and could very well amount to something yet, at the very worst he'd be fine as a placeholder He's also an extremely manageable buyout over his contract https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi this summer https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi next summer https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi the summer after that https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi the summer after that one Sub 1M longer term buyout, and I'm operating under the assumption that he'd be given at least a good number of years to show he could be an NHL player, which he likely is imo Buyout bumps up a bit the fewer years remaining on his deal but when you factor in the likely cap increases we'll see over the lifespan of his deal it'll be inconsequential So you are willing to trade for expensive dog shit for the slight possibility he starts to not suck. Then if he doesn’t, we have a very long term buy out penalty, but it’s not super expensive so that’s cool. I agree with you almost all the time, but definitely not here. I think that is an absolutely horrible idea and way of doing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Ekblad for Miller. Come on Florida...doooooo ittttttt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, D.B Cooper said: So you are willing to trade for expensive dog shit for the slight possibility he starts to not suck. Then if he doesn’t, we have a very long term buy out penalty, but it’s not super expensive so that’s cool. I agree with you almost all the time, but definitely not here. I think that is an absolutely horrible idea and way of doing things. Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately. Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Neutral said: Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately. Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot I would be shocked as well. If they do make a move, then it would be a clear signal that this team is going hard on the rebuild. That other C wouldn’t necessarily have to be a player now. He definitely would have to be have to be at least a grade A prospect that’s coming up next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 23 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best. Depending on the return for Miller, I would think KK 1M retained + whatever would work. KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C. Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, higgyfan said: KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best. Depending on the return for Miller, I would think KK 1M retained + whatever would work. KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C. Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price. That would certainly make it more palatable, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 Carolina would make sense for miller he’s an upgrade over an older patches who’s contract expires. they have a win now team miller fits their time line. Make it happen PA it’s the right move. miller won’t be useful when this team starts to compete for real. Trade him like he should have been traded at the last TDL no make the same mistake again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: I would be shocked as well. If they do make a move, then it would be a clear signal that this team is going hard on the rebuild. That other C wouldn’t necessarily have to be a player now. He definitely would have to be have to be at least a grade A prospect that’s coming up next year. This is what he’s worth , deep in the dressing room after work, sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core.. it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, Coconuts said: Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina 2 hours ago, higgyfan said: KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best. Depending on the return for Miller, I would think KK 1M retained + whatever would work. KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C. Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price. I just couldn’t do it. 8 years guys. 8 years of a crappy player that no one else would ever take off your hands. He is a failed experiment from Carolina who shouldn’t have ever gotten over 2 years. They tried to create a future steal of a contract, and it’s looking like a miserable mistake. We should be doing everything we can to get rid of the crap contracts we have, not replace them with different ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 28 minutes ago, SilentSam said: This is what he’s worth , deep in the dressing room after work, sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core.. it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond. I will say this. After Pod scored Miller gave him a pretty big hug and seemingly was very excited for the kid and looked like he had words of encouragement. I do hope we see a more friendly Miller, at the very least towards teammates. Nobody wants Miller to lose his edge. A more in control Miller is worth his contract. None of us deny his talent, his emotions gotta be in control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, Neutral said: Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately. Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot I neeeeed boninooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Get whatever we can. Edited February 10 by BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: This is what he’s worth , deep in the dressing room after work, sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core.. it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond. Miller wants the C. I say give it to him. He can handle all aspects and still wants to improve on controlling his fire. Now that the pressure of making the playoffs is over, I think we'll see a different side of him that's looking forward to building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, Jester13 said: Miller wants the C. I say give it to him. He can handle all aspects and still wants to improve on controlling his fire. Now that the pressure of making the playoffs is over, I think we'll see a different side of him that's looking forward to building. It also takes pressure off of EP and Hughes while they’re still developing .. yes A’s are fine,. But let Miller have it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: It also takes pressure off of EP and Hughes while they’re still developing .. yes A’s are fine,. But let Miller have it. Agreed. Seeing Hughes without an A the other game makes me think he's not high on the list for captaincy. I think Miller is the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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