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Just now, LegionOfDoom said:

This puck empire fella posts every random tweet on Twitter I wouldn’t buy to many stocks on what he posts, doesn’t make much sense for Carolina as pacioretty will be back next year and doesn’t work for their cap 

Pacioretty is a pending UFA, they could easily use his 7M in cap space elsewhere 

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4 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

First off, KK sucks bad and his contract is dog shit. 
Second, where is Carolina getting all the cap space to fit Miller?  

Yeah, I have 0 interest in KK with any term on his contract. 

The cap space is worth more than whatever production he gives you.

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4 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Pacioretty's 7M being on LTIR largely covers it I'd think 

 

His being a pending UFA would mean his cap would largely pay for Miller's extension 

Ok. Fair enough.  
But what about KK sucking at hockey and having a HORRIBLE contract?  

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6 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

Ok. Fair enough.  
But what about KK sucking at hockey and having a HORRIBLE contract?  

My argument for KK is this

 

He'll be 23 by the time next season begins and could very well amount to something yet, at the very worst he'd be fine as a placeholder

 

He's also an extremely manageable buyout over his contract 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi this summer

 

Sub 1M longer term buyout, and I'm operating under the assumption that he'd be given at least a good number of years to show he could be an NHL player, which he likely is imo

 

Buyout bumps up a bit the fewer years remaining on his deal but when you factor in the likely cap increases we'll see over the lifespan of his deal it'll be inconsequential 

 

You can play around with the buyout calculator to calculate what it'd look like each year

 

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Just now, Coconuts said:

My argument for KK is this

 

He'll be 23 by the time next season begins and could very well amount to something yet, at the very worst he'd be fine as a placeholder

 

He's also an extremely manageable buyout over his contract 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi this summer

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi next summer

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi the summer after that

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi the summer after that one 

 

Sub 1M longer term buyout, and I'm operating under the assumption that he'd be given at least a good number of years to show he could be an NHL player, which he likely is imo

 

Buyout bumps up a bit the fewer years remaining on his deal but when you factor in the likely cap increases we'll see over the lifespan of his deal it'll be inconsequential 

 

 

So you are willing to trade for expensive dog shit for the slight possibility he starts to not suck.  
Then if he doesn’t, we have a very long term buy out penalty, but it’s not super expensive so that’s cool.  
 

I agree with you almost all the time, but definitely not here.  
I think that is an absolutely horrible idea and way of doing things. 

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1 minute ago, D.B Cooper said:

So you are willing to trade for expensive dog shit for the slight possibility he starts to not suck.  
Then if he doesn’t, we have a very long term buy out penalty, but it’s not super expensive so that’s cool.  
 

I agree with you almost all the time, but definitely not here.  
I think that is an absolutely horrible idea and way of doing things. 

Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st 

 

I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line 

 

Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later

 

Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA 

 

I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina 

 

 

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Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately.

 

Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot

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Just now, Neutral said:

Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately.

 

Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot

I would be shocked as well. If they do make a move, then it would be a clear signal that this team is going hard on the rebuild. That other C wouldn’t necessarily have to be a player now. He definitely would have to be have to be at least a grade A prospect that’s coming up next year.  

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23 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st 

 

I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line 

 

Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later

 

Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA 

 

I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina 

 

 

KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best.  Depending on the return for Miller, I would

think KK 1M retained  +  whatever would work.  KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C.

Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price.

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3 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best.  Depending on the return for Miller, I would

think KK 1M retained  +  whatever would work.  KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C.

Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price.

That would certainly make it more palatable, yes 

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Carolina would make sense for miller 

he’s an upgrade over an older  patches who’s contract expires.

they have a win now team miller fits their time line.

 

Make it happen PA it’s the right move. 
miller won’t be useful when this team starts to compete for real. 
Trade him like he should have been traded at the last TDL no make the same mistake again. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, grandmaster said:

I would be shocked as well. If they do make a move, then it would be a clear signal that this team is going hard on the rebuild. That other C wouldn’t necessarily have to be a player now. He definitely would have to be have to be at least a grade A prospect that’s coming up next year.  

This is what he’s worth ,  deep in the dressing room after work,  sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core..  it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

Nah, I'm willing to take him back as part of a package involving what's reportedly an absolute stud RD prospect and a 1st 

 

I'm also of the opinion that he's young enough to improve, but yeah if it comes to it I don't view a buyout as the end of the world if it comes to that further down the line 

 

Like I said, I wouldn't be expecting a buyout sooner than later

 

Worst comes to worst you slot him to wing and bring in a stopgap top six center via UFA 

 

I'm also not hellbent on taking on Kotkaniemi, that's simply an example of a move that could work with Carolina 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, higgyfan said:

KK is still young, but right now he's projecting like a 3C at best.  Depending on the return for Miller, I would

think KK 1M retained  +  whatever would work.  KK at 3.82m seems like a more realistic $ for a 3C.

Hurricanes still get Miller for almost 1/2 price.

I just couldn’t do it.  
8 years guys.  8 years of a crappy player that no one else would ever take off your hands. 
He is a failed experiment from Carolina who shouldn’t have ever gotten over 2 years. 
They tried to create a future steal of a contract, and it’s looking like a miserable mistake.  
 

We should be doing everything we can to get rid of the crap contracts we have, not replace them with different ones.  

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28 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

This is what he’s worth ,  deep in the dressing room after work,  sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core..  it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond.

 

 

 

I will say this. After Pod scored Miller gave him a pretty big hug and seemingly was very excited for the kid and looked like he had words of encouragement. I do hope we see a more friendly Miller, at the very least towards teammates. Nobody wants Miller to lose his edge. A more in control Miller is worth his contract. None of us deny his talent, his emotions gotta be in control.

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3 hours ago, Neutral said:

Canucks GM chose to sign JT over Horvat. I would be shocked if they move JT...but if they did would have to think another C would be coming back who can play NHL minutes immediately.

 

Dries has been a nice story, but I have seen more than enough from him time to throw him on waivers to go back to Abbotsford. Sadly we have 0 C depth in the AHL to call up. Karlsson been strictly a winger down in the A? That is too bad if true cause he is a right shot

I neeeeed boninooooo

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1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

This is what he’s worth ,  deep in the dressing room after work,  sharing his knowledge, ideas , and a great influence on our young core..  it’s my belief this is why he’s a valued asset to this managing group for the next 3 years or beyond.

 

 

 

Miller wants the C. I say give it to him. He can handle all aspects and still wants to improve on controlling his fire. Now that the pressure of making the playoffs is over, I think we'll see a different side of him that's looking forward to building.

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Just now, Jester13 said:

Miller wants the C. I say give it to him. He can handle all aspects and still wants to improve on controlling his fire. Now that the pressure of making the playoffs is over, I think we'll see a different side of him that's looking forward to building.

It also takes pressure off of EP and Hughes while they’re still developing ..  yes A’s are fine,.  But let Miller have it.

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

It also takes pressure off of EP and Hughes while they’re still developing ..  yes A’s are fine,.  But let Miller have it.

Agreed. Seeing Hughes without an A the other game makes me think he's not high on the list for captaincy. I think Miller is the guy. 

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