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6 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

It also takes pressure off of EP and Hughes while they’re still developing ..  yes A’s are fine,.  But let Miller have it.

 

3 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Agreed. Seeing Hughes without an A the other game makes me think he's not high on the list for captaincy. I think Miller is the guy. 

Do you guys think that the extra responsibility would help Miller to clean up the plays where he seemingly gives up?  That's where I hesitate with giving him the C.  The captain can't be floating to the bench on a change when he doesn't like his previous shift.  They also can't be giving up on the backcheck just because they don't think they can catch up to the play.  Have to assume that the guy you're chasing may not score or could make a mistake.  

 

I can see a situation where the captaincy causes JT to step up those parts of his game because he knows he needs to set an example.  It would be bad if he didn't though.  He'd be answering those questions from the media on a daily basis and I don't think the constant negativity would be good for him.  

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26 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

 

Do you guys think that the extra responsibility would help Miller to clean up the plays where he seemingly gives up?  That's where I hesitate with giving him the C.  The captain can't be floating to the bench on a change when he doesn't like his previous shift.  They also can't be giving up on the backcheck just because they don't think they can catch up to the play.  Have to assume that the guy you're chasing may not score or could make a mistake.  

 

I can see a situation where the captaincy causes JT to step up those parts of his game because he knows he needs to set an example.  It would be bad if he didn't though.  He'd be answering those questions from the media on a daily basis and I don't think the constant negativity would be good for him.  

Ice time just needs to be managed better ,.  Tochett is aware. .  A well composed 4th line helps with that,.    Seeing Joshua Aman and DiGussepie skate well and add really good minutes of intense pressure , is a huge asset to all the other lines.

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3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Ice time just needs to be managed better ,.  Tochett is aware. .  A well composed 4th line helps with that,.    Seeing Joshua Aman and DiGussepie skate well and add really good minutes of intense pressure , is a huge asset to all the other lines.

Hopefully you're right about that!  Optically, that's not how it appears.  He looks like he's frustrated and allowing it to get the best of him.  Most of the time he channels his frustrations properly (takes it out on the other team) but it looks like there are times when it causes him to wilt. 

 

Misconception perhaps?  That's what it looks like to me though.

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6 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

Hopefully you're right about that!  Optically, that's not how it appears.  He looks like he's frustrated and allowing it to get the best of him.  Most of the time he channels his frustrations properly (takes it out on the other team) but it looks like there are times when it causes him to wilt. 

 

Misconception perhaps?  That's what it looks like to me though.

I think his frustrations come from plays like on our last PP .

Miller is on the right boards , and Boeser staples himself to the left post , Miller can’t get a seam..

he points for Brock to come to his side..

 

its little things like that , Brock, as much as anybody else , needs to support the puck carrier..  it’s easier to find and create a lane without the puck.

 

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5 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I think his frustrations come from plays like on our last PP .

Miller is on the right boards , and Boeser staples himself to the left post , Miller can’t get a seam..

he points for Brock to come to his side..

 

its little things like that , Brock, as much as anybody else , needs to support the puck carrier..  it’s easier to find and create a lane without the puck.

 

No doubt.  He has plenty to be frustrated with.  I'm just saying that there is a way that a captain must handle those frustrations regardless of the reasons.  Most of the time he handles it the right way.  Every so often though, he makes those absolute "no no" plays that a captain just can't do.  Can't float to the bench and can't give up on the backcheck.  Just can't do it!  

 

I think there is a scenario where the extra responsibility of the "C" causes JT to clean that stuff up.  I can also see a situation where things become very toxic (in and out of the room) if he did not clean it up.  If he's chosen for the job then obviously I hope it is the former and not the latter. 

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1 hour ago, Baratheon said:

 

Do you guys think that the extra responsibility would help Miller to clean up the plays where he seemingly gives up?  That's where I hesitate with giving him the C.  The captain can't be floating to the bench on a change when he doesn't like his previous shift.  They also can't be giving up on the backcheck just because they don't think they can catch up to the play.  Have to assume that the guy you're chasing may not score or could make a mistake.  

 

I can see a situation where the captaincy causes JT to step up those parts of his game because he knows he needs to set an example.  It would be bad if he didn't though.  He'd be answering those questions from the media on a daily basis and I don't think the constant negativity would be good for him.  

Bo floated back all the time. I think the C would be great for Miller. I see him stepping up and being accountable. Captaincy is a big deal, and I think he understands that.

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1 hour ago, Jester13 said:

Bo floated back all the time. I think the C would be great for Miller. I see him stepping up and being accountable. Captaincy is a big deal, and I think he understands that.

I think you have bo and miller confused

i don’t remember horvat being called out for being lazy by bieska.

it’s good hes started playing and backing again seems  like only thing that gets him going is a coaching change. Same as last season with Bruce we see it again with Toc all of sudden he plays a 200ft  game. Just Screams leader. …no thanks 

I rather see him traded before he can’t be. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, combover said:

I think you have bo and miller confused

i don’t remember horvat being called out for being lazy by bieska.

it’s good hes started playing and backing again seems  like only thing that gets him going is a coaching change. Same as last season with Bruce we see it again with Toc all of sudden he plays a 200ft  game. Just Screams leader. …no thanks 

I rather see him traded before he can’t be. 

 

 

Bo got a free pass, but he was one of the biggest passengers away from the puck. 

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3 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I still move Miller and Boeser out with Horvat gone. 
 

Not that I hate either player but I see more benefit with them gone during a short term rebuild. 
 

the cap alone will do wonders when we’re able to compete and can be weaponized in the short term. 
 

Monahan got dumped for a 1st for example. Pacioretty was had for free. Teams may not be able to sign RFAs and if we build our prospect pool and have cap we can be in the market for those players. 
 

Sounds like the cap may stay flat for a little while longer. 
 

We should be focusing on the core members we’ll add in the next couple drafts. 2018-2024(+ Petey) drafts should be the next core. 
 

The time to load up is now.

It certainly seems like a plan.  It doesn't mean give up next year, that cap space could immediately be used before the draft to gain assets like you said.  We can take players with 1-2 year terms who are good but can't fit under a team's cap being pushed out by a younger player needing a raise... and get prospects and picks for doing so.

The big market that you mention, and I have harped on a while is how many decent RFAs aren't going to be qualified this offseason due to an almost flat cap.  This is the last year it will likely happen as the cap pressure is likely to come off next year a lot.  We could snag 2-3 really decent young players who still have room to develop and would see a rebuilding roster as a good opportunity to rebuild their own value.  

If we use that strategy, we gain a bunch of picks and prospects through trading Miller, Boeser, Garland, whoever we can move... and then replace them with some seasoned veterans and some "project" players in their early 20's.  Probably does better than this current roster, hard to do worse.  If players get their value pumped by getting prime minutes with us, they can also be moved for assets next deadline.  7-10 picks or so in the first couple rounds this year and next would do wonders for our future.

All those guys could marinate in Abby for a bit as well and try to repeat that critical mass of guys that came from Manitoba and gave us some good years around 2011.

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5 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Gotta love some of the posters here ,.

looking to trade JT for anything Lol !!

 

 

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I am not stopping at Bo. I am looking to trade anyone with cap and that can yield a return. Miller and Boeser particularly. Demko as well. Garland to an extent.
 

Gotta keep the rebuild going. The cap and return can be better utilized in the short and long-term with the cap staying flat. You can take advantage of a lot of different situations. 
 

We are not going to be a competitive team anyways, Not till we see roster reconstruction which will take a few years and it would take a bit longer to actually achieve playoff level of competitiveness. Rather have a young team with cap to kill and continue to build around Petey/Hughes with who we draft and acquire within the next few seasons. 

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Keep JT. EP is an elite player and great leader but he needs a ying to his yang. Like Henrik had Kesler, like Naslund had Bert. EP cannot do this alone and JT has shown signs of making this more his team now than Bo is gone.

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8 hours ago, combover said:

Thanks I needed that 

funniest thing Ive read in a while. 


 

When Hansen threw shade at some players for sacrificing defence and playing the right way in order to pad their stats, who do you think he was talking about? I'll give you a hint: one of those guys is having a career contract year and on pace for 50 goals.

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9 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I still move Miller and Boeser out with Horvat gone. 
 

Not that I hate either player but I see more benefit with them gone during a short term rebuild. 
 

the cap alone will do wonders when we’re able to compete and can be weaponized in the short term. 
 

Monahan got dumped for a 1st for example. Pacioretty was had for free. Teams may not be able to sign RFAs and if we build our prospect pool and have cap we can be in the market for those players. 
 

Sounds like the cap may stay flat for a little while longer. 
 

We should be focusing on the core members we’ll add in the next couple drafts. 2018-2024(+ Petey) drafts should be the next core. 
 

The time to load up is now.

 

Yup, take advantage of the cap staying low this/next year, the exact time frame we hope to "re-whatever." Take on worse cap for our decent -good players short term, add picks/prospects, get out from long term cap like Miller.

 

That said, I doubt that happens (management appear to like Miller). But that's what I'd do.

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Just my opinion, but I think that if PA got even a halfway decent offer for JT, he'd pull the trigger. Miller is a good player right now, but that contract is going to be an anchor in a few years.

 

I have to believe that there aren't teams who could use him in a playoff push. (If there's anyone in that position with the Cap room)

 

Take the lesser deal, if it means freeing up that money. WE're going to need it for Petey's next deal.

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