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OEL has now sunk into the top 10 worst +/- players in the entire National Hockey League out of all 869 players.

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While we all know how bad our team defense is after JR/PA were incapable of doing anything to fix it this past year and the Canucks now being the 2nd most scored against team in the entire National Hockey league.  It has now reached new lows with OEL sinking to being tied for the 10th worst +/- player spot in the league, out of all 869 skaters with a staggering Minus -24 and we are just past the mid point of the season!  

 

It shows how fast OEL has degraded in only one year with the team as he slowly ages thru the beginning of his contract into his mid 30's that expires later near the end of the decade in 2027.

 

Will OEL's rapid decline put him on the same trajectory as Myers and make him another early buy-out or trade candidate, or will JR/PA just turn a blind eye to his decline like they have with many others like Miller and Boeser and just allow his contract to run out?   

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Yes, OEL has degraded. But he ain't going anywhere.

 

Might as well bring in a coach who can implement a decent defensive system to salvage what we can out of OEL.

 

The two players you mention, Miller and OEL, aren't going anywhere for sometime. 

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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

He plays most of the minutes against the opponent's top line, with poor goaltending on a bad team, and he also now has to deal with Mike Yeo sabotaging the blueline.  Edler's -39 season is a comparable.  The entire blueline has fallen off of a cliff since Shaw was hired by a locker room cancer; a lot of problems will solve themselves once Yeo is fired.

That -39 season was Torts?

 

Whichever moron thought Torts would be good for that team? I seriously would like to see his face.

 

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This thread is as smart as picketing the end of fossil fuels at a conservative political rally.

 

This thread is as smart as picketing veganism outside a butcher shop.

 

This thread is as smart as picketing outside a place of worship with a "there is no god" sign.

 

no one really cares about your incessant trolling.

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35 minutes ago, jyu said:

That -39 season was Torts?

 

Whichever moron thought Torts would be good for that team? I seriously would like to see his face.

 

Torts was brought in to stir up the Country Club atmosphere 1.0

and he did that

Its funny how many times I read, Jim and Patty have only had one year to undo ol Jimmer's mess

but Torts didn't even get one year ( the Flames game debacle played a role in that decision)

but when he was removed after one year

the CC atmosphere was strengthened with the removal of Torts and the trade of Kesler

the team spent the next 4 years trying to get the Sedins back to a Cup run 

and then another 5 years and now this mess

 

Hiring Torts was probably overkill, but the owners chickened out before the first anniversary and the rest, as they say, is history

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57 minutes ago, jyu said:

Yes, OEL has degraded. But he ain't going anywhere.

 

Might as well bring in a coach who can implement a decent defensive system to salvage what we can out of OEL.

 

The two players you mention, Miller and OEL, aren't going anywhere for sometime. 

Does OEL's contract prohibit him from being sent to Abbotsford? Put him on waivers. who'd claim him?

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Even when @RU SERIOUS gets close to saying something correct and agreeable, he still mucks it.  Good taste, but awful execution.  You are correct in saying OEL is one of the worst defenceman in the league.  All of his analytics are brutal.  Both the numbers and the eye test suggest the team is better off using a random LHD off waivers.  OEL is playing heavy minutes simply by virtue of him earning $7M.  But looking at plus/minus is one of the dumbest things to assess that on.  Was Seth Jones the second-worst d-man last year?  Not even close. 

 

Tyler Myers is actually our worst D-man, night in, night out.  His +/- doesn't get as banged up because he'll just take a penalty over trying to make a defensive play.

 

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4 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Lol and who do we have as a better option?  Luckily Dermott, Bear and Schenn are holding their own as depth guys, and hopefully Bear can be OEL's partner and someone else can be Myers'.

It is argued that benching Myers and OEL in favour of replacement players would actually result in a better outcome.  The problem is that we can't even afford replacement level players because we have literally zero cap space.

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2 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

It is argued that benching Myers and OEL in favour of replacement players would actually result in a better outcome.  The problem is that we can't even afford replacement level players because we have literally zero cap space.

Are these arguments being made by qualified hockey people who understand the game, or analytics dweebs who would spend 10 minutes trying to open a puck?

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2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Are these arguments being made by qualified hockey people who understand the game, or analytics dweebs who would spend 10 minutes trying to open a puck?

I'm confused as to what you're getting at.  Those two have played objectively bad hockey all season long.  The numbers reflect pretty well the type of overall performance we've seen with our human eyes.  Are you suggesting Myers and OEL have actually played okay?

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The guy won't block shot and is barely trying out there on the ice.

 

He has no passion left for the game and all he is doing is coming in to collect his paycheck which he knows he can get away with cause of his nmc. 

 

The only thing the team can do is to sit his behind in the press box and bore him into retirement but I think he would just prefer that too. So the only way out for this team is to get an expert to figure out how to get OEL allergic to hockey equipments.

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Just now, Bob.Loblaw said:

I'm confused as to what you're getting at.  Those two have played objectively bad hockey all season long.  The numbers reflect pretty well the type of overall performance we've seen with our human eyes.  Are you suggesting Myers and OEL have actually played okay?

They aren't playing great, but they are far from our worst players.  It's not their fault that Yeo is a complete moron and is incapable of implementing an effective system, or at least conducting himself like a professional.  They may not be playing up to their contracts, but the team would still be worse without them.

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1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

He plays most of the minutes against the opponent's top line, with poor goaltending on a bad team, and he also now has to deal with Mike Yeo sabotaging the blueline.  Edler's -39 season is a comparable.  The entire blueline has fallen off of a cliff since Shaw was replaced with a locker room cancer; a lot of problems will solve themselves once Yeo is fired.

Also getting paid 8m+...

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8 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

They aren't playing great, but they are far from our worst players.  It's not their fault that Yeo is a complete moron and is incapable of implementing an effective system, or at least conducting himself like a professional.  They may not be playing up to their contracts, but the team would still be worse without them.

The thing about Myers and OEL is that they were bad on the Jets and Coyotes.  It made no sense for Vancouver to acquire them.  They are worse now, partly due to their further decline from age, and partly because of a brutal system they're playing under (as you've mentioned).  But when analytics are suggesting two players have been BAD for multiple years in a row, you have to respect what it means.  I disagree with you and believe they are truly our worst players.

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