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[Report - LeBrun] Canucks will try to re-sign Andrei Kuzmenko as trade interest grows


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3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

no i can't see boeser in bo's slot in the pp that's not his playstyle never was never will be. boeser was tried with EP.. tried with Miller.. both are not working.. i doubt boeser will get back to a 30 goal pace.. he might be good for 20-25 goals 50-60 point guy.. not worth his cap atm.. no one is going to offer you a haul for boeser next TDL.. it's going to be the exact same issue.. there's still terms left on the contract... and the PP is going to stink next season if they have to put a hoglander garland podkolzin or mikahyev on pp1 along side the 649 combo which have already failed spectacularly last season. boeser had a bad season last season.. he's having a even worse season goal scoring wise this season.. so what makes you think he'll all of a sudden bounce back and be on pace for 30 goals next season when the team will likely be offensively challenged if all the said players are gone, and you essentially become a 1 line team.

 

if you are traindg away miller horvat kuz hughes.. you can add EP to the list. no one is going to hitch their prime to a team in a full blown rebuild.

I look at Boeser and he fits the bumper role perfectly. 

He sucks at forecheck and board battles and even back check. 

The only thing he's really good at is finding open ice and shooting or tip ins. He's made for the pp

Look at all his goals this year....

And yes EP might leave. 

The goal would be to convince him that the rebuild can be done in 3 years and we are fully building the team around him. We'll pay him sufficiently as well. If he leaves though, there will be a big return. 

We already have some pieces Podz, Hogz, Klim, Karlsson, Rathbone, Lekkermaki . (not all of them will pan out but some of them will) 

Add in whatever you get for Horvat, Kuz Miller, Hughes, Pearson, Boeser, Garland Myers in the next 2 years and the rebuild might not take that long. 

Funny thing is canucks actually have a ton of assets 

Some are highly valued and some are undervalued. My thought is sell high on the over valued ones now (Horvat, Kuz, Hughes) 

Sell Miller for whatever before his ntc kicks in. 

Keep Boeser, Garland, Pearson Myers until next year. Their values will go up naturally without Horvat Hughes Miller Kuz. 

So then basically the only core that remains is Petey. He'll be 28/29 when we are contending

 

This team needs a full rebuild. We have too many guys not playing the right way. 

 

We need guys who are more likely to score than get scored on when they are on the ice. Right now, that's pretty much Petey, mikheyev and Horvat. 

 

There really is no point keeping anyone else as they are more of a liability than an asset. 

 

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3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

This team needs a full rebuild. We have too many guys not playing the right way. 

 

We need guys who are more likely to score than get scored on when they are on the ice. Right now, that's pretty much Petey, mikheyev and Horvat. 

Definitely too many bystanders and not enough drivers. 

 

If this team is losing I'd like to at least have the impression that they left everything on the ice every game. I think the players you list are generally doing that. I would add Burroughs, Bear, Kuzmenko, Lazar, Lockwood to that list.

 

 

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13 hours ago, -AJ- said:

For a bridge, I'd tend to agree. On a longer deal, I think over 6M is reasonable.

This is how I feel 

 

I understand how important this is too kuzmenko with his age though as this is his best chance / window to make his money

 

I feel the gusev risk isn’t there with kuzmenko as he’s continued to improve and he could actually hit another gear next season 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, GB5 said:

Definitely too many bystanders and not enough drivers. 

 

If this team is losing I'd like to at least have the impression that they left everything on the ice every game. I think the players you list are generally doing that. I would add Burroughs, Bear, Kuzmenko, Lazar, Lockwood to that list.

 

 

 

Agreed but IMHO I would take Horvat off that list. I don't feel he does enough across all 200 feet. Plus he is the Captain and should be demanding more from certain players / setting the tone (fair or unfair). Winning teams have the Captains or leaders that demand a certain level of effort and/or attention to detail. Bo is a great support piece on a team with strong leaders.

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Im willing to give them a chance until tdl this year.. Well frankly we have no other choice lol. 

 

Yep...TDL will tell the story.  I'll stick around to see what they do at the draft and in the offseason.

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2 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Yep...TDL will tell the story.  I'll stick around to see what they do at the draft and in the offseason.

You're more patient than me. 

TDL should more than paint a picture of the direction of this team or maybe lack of direction. 

 

They absolutely cannot afford to do nothing this deadline. Some major moves need to be made whether it be trading or  re-signing Horvat and Kuz and shipping out Miller and Boeser etc. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Harold Drunken said:

I would say "fortunately" someone's gotta go, as offloading any of those three would be a positive...wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, to get rid of those contracts would require a sweetener.  So goodbye draft picks (1sts, 2nds, 3rds…) and prospects (Hogz, Podz, etc).

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58 minutes ago, BPA said:

Unfortunately, to get rid of those contracts would require a sweetener.  So goodbye draft picks (1sts, 2nds, 3rds…) and prospects (Hogz, Podz, etc).

I think for Pearson maybe but I don't necessarily think Boeser will require a sweetener. From what I read there are a handful of teams that still really like him. He's slumping this year, but if you look at his historical production his cap hit isn't excessive based on that. Garland may be tougher for sure. 

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With Kuz I’d negotiate a FA offer while he’s under team control. Then package him with Horvat/Miller/Boeser to get a bigger haul.

 

He and his agent will know the Canucks offer before July 1 and either leverage it to get more out of another team, or sign back with the Canucks. 
 

little risk to the team and player, but weakens another teams cap a hair. Force an overpayment. 

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1 minute ago, Harold Drunken said:

I think for Pearson maybe but I don't necessarily think Boeser will require a sweetener. From what I read there are a handful of teams that still really like him. He's slumping this year, but if you look at his historical production his cap hit isn't excessive based on that. Garland may be tougher for sure. 

Some posters here say Boeser is a waste of space (paraphrasing).  So how is that possible??? :P

 

Both Boeser and Garland have underperformed for their respective contracts.  It took a 2nd to get rid of Dickinson.

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4 minutes ago, BPA said:

Some posters here say Boeser is a waste of space (paraphrasing).  So how is that possible??? :P

 

Both Boeser and Garland have underperformed for their respective contracts.  It took a 2nd to get rid of Dickinson.

lol touché... 

 

They definitely are, no argument there. It's also not uncommon for teams to take a flyer on a player like them hoping they return to their previous form without giving up too much. Let's hope so, time will tell. It's either we add a sweetener, or the return is just diminished. I would like the latter. Retaining a million or two may be a viable option but still makes me feel icky overall lol

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2 hours ago, R3aL said:

This is how I feel 

 

I understand how important this is too kuzmenko with his age though as this is his best chance / window to make his money

 

I feel the gusev risk isn’t there with kuzmenko as he’s continued to improve and he could actually hit another gear next season 

 

 

I still would like to see a bigger sample size, a bridge deal would be perfect as at the end of that deal the team should hopefully have more cap flexibility to sign to a larger deal if he continues to produce like he has. 

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10 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said:

I think for Pearson maybe but I don't necessarily think Boeser will require a sweetener. From what I read there are a handful of teams that still really like him. He's slumping this year, but if you look at his historical production his cap hit isn't excessive based on that. Garland may be tougher for sure. 

Agree, neither guy will likely return much in the current environment, but both are quite moveable. Particularly if we take cap back.

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If they re-sign Kuzmenko, they have to (or should IMO) trade Boeser and Garland. I'll assume Horvat is gone too, because the Canucks disrespected him with lowball offers. 

 

Miller

Pettersson

Kuzmenko

Mikheyev

Podkolzin

Hoglander

Hughes

Bear

Demko

 

Can they build a championship team around these guys? (if the right players were brought in)

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9 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Can they build a championship team around these guys? (if the right players were brought in)

Yes                                                                  Maybe                                                            No

Hughes                                                           Hogs       still young                                        Miller       a bit too much money, for way too long

E.P.                                                                  Podz      also young                                       Bear      a 2/3 pair tweener at best, so no loss if he's gone,             

Demko  as long as he gets healthy                 Mik     -seems to be fading                            Kuz        nothing personal- but he should be trade bait        

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8 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

If they re-sign Kuzmenko, they have to (or should IMO) trade Boeser and Garland. I'll assume Horvat is gone too, because the Canucks disrespected him with lowball offers. 

 

Miller

Pettersson

Kuzmenko

Mikheyev

Podkolzin

Hoglander

Hughes

Bear

Demko

 

Can they build a championship team around these guys? (if the right players were brought in)

I don't think Miller is the type of veteran leadership needed. He is much better suited on a team that already has veteran leadership.

The rest I think is a good bare bones start where they can make this team "Their's" and develop their own Culture. 

Mik and Demko are a little older but gives them some time to draft players who can fill in behind them if need be.

 

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I'm not sold on Miller leading the team to glory over the next 5+ years, while he's a Canuck. JR/PA have some time, before Miller's NTC kicks in on July 1st, so I am hoping they come to their senses and trade him for whatever the best offer is. If they want to clear cap and get younger, then trade the $8 million older guy. 

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no matter how much we suck and lose, kuz always has a smile on his face and loves playing hockey (its very infectious and what any hockey team would love to have) ...so of coarse its a no brainer to resign him to a bridge deal, the main question is does he wanna stay here, now thats the big question

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